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NYC/PHL 1/25-27 potential Part III


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The kicker in front of the new HP is preventing this from coming up the coast. This is the same kicker the GGEM is phasing into the trough which is why its solution is now the real outliEr. Odds are starting to shrink of this cominng inland and even riding the coastal plain based on todays trends.

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whats scary is even with the low as it is right now, if there was precip over the cities it would be rain

That's because there's no dynamic cooling to make the 850s and 2m temps colder...they would drop if heavy omega came in but the GFS just shows some flurries with highs around freezing. 18z GFS looks like a total miss.

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That's because there's no dynamic cooling to make the 850s and 2m temps colder...they would drop if heavy omega came in but the GFS just shows some flurries with highs around freezing. 18z GFS looks like a total miss.

the 850s aren't the issue on this run nor the euro, its the bl. Yea you would need the dynamic cooling, thus you need the storm closer to the coast, which would bring some warmer air in also.

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whats scary is even with the low as it is right now, if there was precip over the cities it would be rain

well with dynamic processes maybe maybe not. 540 line is just about over ny but 850 is cold enough and flow with the lp is out of the NE, not E.

What scarier is how the solutions outside of the silly ggem throw very little precip back beyond the big cities.

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That's because there's no dynamic cooling to make the 850s and 2m temps colder...they would drop if heavy omega came in but the GFS just shows some flurries with highs around freezing. 18z GFS looks like a total miss.

Strongly agree here..If heavy precip was over the cities with a 980mb on the benchmark im sure that would be a heavy wet snow. Whats funny is everyone was throwing out calls yesterday based on the euro inland flooding disaster, now most if not all modes are east of the BM...

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It is amazing how we went this morning from worrying about the system being so far inland that it is rain along the coast to the system being so far off shore that no one gets anything. Unreal.

Which proves that nothing is out of the question at this point from inland/coastal hugger to OTS. If it can change that drastically in less than 24 hours, it can just as drastically flip back to previous solutions. That being said, my confidence level is lowly decreasing.

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well with dynamic processes maybe maybe not. 540 line is just about over ny but 850 is cold enough and flow with the lp is out of the NE, not E.

What scarier is how the solutions outside of the silly ggem throw very little precip back beyond the big cities.

id rather have a miss, then a flood like the ggem or what the 0z euro was showing last night....everyone still gets an inch or two from the precip before the storm.

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the 850s aren't the issue on this run nor the euro, its the bl. Yea you would need the dynamic cooling, thus you need the storm closer to the coast, which would bring some warmer air in also.

As long as the wind is ENE or NE there wouldnt be any warm air coming in.

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the 850s aren't the issue on this run nor the euro, its the bl. Yea you would need the dynamic cooling, thus you need the storm closer to the coast, which would bring some warmer air in also.

It's not really worth worrying about the boundary later this far out....verbatim it's a bit warm but with cold upper levels, it would be mostly snow except for the immediate coast. The problem now appears to be the models trending too far east and making this into a non-event, although I'd rather this storm miss if it's going to create a lot of precipitation type issues...just wait for the Manitoba Mauler at Day 7 which appears to be more likely to be an all snow event and perhaps a Miller B Nor'easter. 18z GFS does have the SE bias so we'll see where 0z runs go. The heights actually look more amplified but the low is out to sea.

well with dynamic processes maybe maybe not. 540 line is just about over ny but 850 is cold enough and flow with the lp is out of the NE, not E.

What scarier is how the solutions outside of the silly ggem throw very little precip back beyond the big cities.

The mid levels don't seem to develop until the low gets nearer Cape Cod, thus we don't see a good development of the CCB. Very little precip in the cold sector.

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If this solution somehow pans out-- props must be given to the GFS for sniffing it out first. But that is a HUGE "IF"

I don't really think the GFS sniffed this out first at all. Before the 12z run today it had a completely different evolution without the gulf low. It actually has just come on board today with the low developing near New Orleans.

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I don't really think the GFS sniffed this out first at all. Before the 12z run today it had a completely different evolution without the gulf low. It actually has just come on board today with the low developing near New Orleans.

I remember seeing it shift east yesterday. It was the 12z run when the new info came in from the Pacific.

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