janetjanet998 Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 TOIN= Tornado Outbreak Index Number developed by TornadoTony This is not a pure "numbers" ranking (ie number of tornadoes, number of EFX's etc) but a combo of that and tornadoes hitting popuated area. For example, A large outbreak in the open plains will have a disadvantage becuase of the lack of popuation and damage while a small outbreak in a metro area will have a advantage first some copy and paste from this thread at eastern to get the historic info to compare http://www.easternus...s-of-2000-2009/ (Tornado Outbreak Index Number) (Fatalities)*2 (EF2 tornadoes)*2 (EF3 tornadoes)*10 (EF4 tornadoes)*20 (EF5 tornadoes)*30 (Total tornadoes)*1 ($10,000,000 damage)*2 (2007 dollars) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 42 outbreaks listed here ranked..including 22 from the past 2 decades i used Tonys formula but each fatality before 1960 is worth 1/2 point and from 1960-1979 1 point, this will have be be smooth to be really accurate though insead of cut off also I used a 20% reduction in pre 1990 F3/4 points *** means very damaging older tornado outbreak but damage is missing..I used 250M in todays dollars for now also the dollar amount damage some is in 2007 dollars some in 2009 dollars.... if you can think of anyother oubreaks let us know This isn't perfect but I was curious to see how the TOIN with the fatality reduction and the 20% reduction would match up with more recent outbreaks we can relate too I think it does a good job superoutbreak 2238 Palmsunday 978 Flint/Wor 1031.5 Tri state 804.5 May 31st 1985 731 5/3-5/4/1999 705.12 11/21-11/23/1992 529 Carolinas 1984 498.2 feb 5th-6th 2008 483.84 may 4th-5th 2003 462.5 1952 MAR** 461.7 1932 deep south** 395 4/26/1991 353 5/1/1968 350 1967 N IL 340 April 3rd 1956** 335 1/21-1/22/1999 327.12 6/2/1990 320 Red river 1979 317 3/13/1990 314 Nov 10-11th 2002 298.72 may 29-30 2004 294 1936 Tupelo 293 Feb 28th-Mar 2nd 285.4 6/16/1992 275.8 may 10-11th 2008 268.56 apr 10-11th 2009 265.92 3/1-3/2/1997 260.8 4/15-4/16/1998 259.54 Mar 12-13th 2006 250.48 3/27/1994 247.4 Apr 2nd 2006 235.38 Dallas 1957 233.9 Nov 23-25th 2001 232.98 SD 2003 205.7 GI Night of the twisters 200.4 November 1989 168.8 Greensburg outbreak 168.76 Plainfield IL 147 5/5 2007 144.16 Fargo 1957 114.7 8-18-05 WI 48.6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted November 21, 2010 Author Share Posted November 21, 2010 Now 2010 outbreaks................. April 22–25, 2010 (note this may have to be divided up into at 2 seperate outbreaks only have data for the multi day event) Tornadoes 88 88points EF2 9 18 points EF3 4 40 points EF4 2 40 points Fatalities 10 20 points Damage 403M 80.6 points April 22-25 TOIN 286.6 May 10–13, 2010 (note this may have to be divided up into at 2 seperate outbreaks only have data for the multi day event) http://en.wikipedia....ornado_outbreak Tornadoes 91 91points EF2 13 26 points EF3 4 40 points EF4 2 40 points Fatalities 3 6 points Damage 564M 112.8 points March 10-13 TOIN 315.8 June 5–6, 2010 http://en.wikipedia....ornado_outbreak Tornadoes 53 53 points EF2 11 22 points EF3 3 30 points EF4 1 20 points Fatalities 8 16 points Damage 252M 50.4 points JUNE 5-6 TOIN 191.4 June 16-17, 2010 (NO Damage info yet) http://en.wikipedia....ornado_outbreak Tornadoes 82 82 points EF2 9 18points EF3 4 40 points EF4 4 80 points Fatalities 3 6 points Damage 3.2 6 points JUNE 16-17 TOIN 232 update damage here was only 3.2 million not 95m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellinwood Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 Good stuff. Were you planning on doing the Oct 25-26 outbreak? It's kind of recent, so I would imagine the numbers might not be "finalized" just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted November 21, 2010 Author Share Posted November 21, 2010 Good stuff. Were you planning on doing the Oct 25-26 outbreak? It's kind of recent, so I would imagine the numbers might not be "finalized" just yet. Yes but the damage data isn't there yet...and not that many strong tornadoes though Oct 25-26 Tornadoes 67 67 points EF2 8 16 points Damage missing will use 25 million for now 5 points Oct 25-26 TOIN 88 also to be fair, the April and May outbreaks will have to be broken up but not sure where to make the cutoff and don't have info for each seperate timme frame.. For example, Tony seperated the Greensburg Kansas outbreak from the outbreak the day before(?or after) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellinwood Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 Yes but the damage data isn't there yet...and not that many strong tornadoes though Oct 25-26 Tornadoes 67 67 points EF2 8 16 points Damage missing will use 25 million for now 5 points Oct 25-26 TOIN 88 Yeah I figured it may have also been skipped due to the lack of strong tornadoes. I just didn't want to ignore a rare October High Risk event! Thanks for taking the time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxsmwhrms Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 I may have missed it, but do you have the February 1971 outbreak on there? I get 312 using your formula, including using $250M for a damage figure since I couldn't find one readily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted November 22, 2010 Author Share Posted November 22, 2010 I may have missed it, but do you have the February 1971 outbreak on there? I get 312 using your formula, including using $250M for a damage figure since I couldn't find one readily. Intense deadly outbreak but low number of tornadoes hurt the index.... http://en.wikipedia....ornado_outbreak Tornadoes 19 19 points F2 7 14 points F3 3 30 points (24 reduction) F4 2 40 points (32 reduction) F5 1 30 points fatalities 123 123 points (1 point each) damage 250 million 50 points TOIN 292 24th all time some comparable outbreaks Red river 1979 317 3/13/1990 314 Nov 10-11th 2002 298.72 may 29-30 2004 294 1936 Tupelo 293 Feb 28th-Mar 2nd 2007 285.4 6/16/1992 275.8 may 10-11th 2008 268.56 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted April 8, 2011 Author Share Posted April 8, 2011 good place to look up damage info...not sure what year inflation wise they are based on..can't do 12-31 yet because that goes into 2011 http://www.spc.noaa....ne/sp3/plot.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Lizard Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Intense deadly outbreak but low number of tornadoes hurt the index.... Jarrell was actually more than a single tornado, although they all cycled from the same cell Southwestward propagating cell*. (Forgive the IMBYism). 27 dead with the F-5, and the F-5 was joined by F-4s and F-3s that cycled out of the same cell. 2 more dead closer to Austin. (I have read discussions as to whether new cells continuously formed on the SW flank and then became dominant, but in appearance it was a continuous cell) My favorite write up with embedded satellite and radar loops. Always liked that, about 7000 J/Kg SBCAPE and less than 50 m^2/s^2 0-1 and 0-3km helicity http://homepages.vvm.com/~curtis/Jarrell/Jarrell.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted April 8, 2011 Author Share Posted April 8, 2011 Jarrell was actually more than a single tornado, although they all cycled from the same cell Southwestward propagating cell*. (Forgive the IMBYism). 27 dead with the F-5, and the F-5 was joined by F-4s and F-3s that cycled out of the same cell. 2 more dead closer to Austin. (I have read discussions as to whether new cells continuously formed on the SW flank and then became dominant, but in appearance it was a continuous cell) My favorite write up with embedded satellite and radar loops. Always liked that, about 7000 J/Kg SBCAPE and less than 50 m^2/s^2 0-1 and 0-3km helicity http://homepages.vvm...ell/Jarrell.htm Jarrell outbreak TOIN about 200 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Central_Texas_tornado_outbreak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master of Disaster Posted April 9, 2011 Share Posted April 9, 2011 Jarrell was actually more than a single tornado, although they all cycled from the same cell Southwestward propagating cell*. (Forgive the IMBYism). 27 dead with the F-5, and the F-5 was joined by F-4s and F-3s that cycled out of the same cell. 2 more dead closer to Austin. (I have read discussions as to whether new cells continuously formed on the SW flank and then became dominant, but in appearance it was a continuous cell) My favorite write up with embedded satellite and radar loops. Always liked that, about 7000 J/Kg SBCAPE and less than 50 m^2/s^2 0-1 and 0-3km helicity http://homepages.vvm...ell/Jarrell.htm That tornado was a very rare beast. The only one I know of that traveled SW. An F5 in an environment that by most accounts, shouldnt have produced much of anything, much less an F5. It still places me in a state of awe at a tornado so strong, it strips asphalt off the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Gossage Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 Yes but the damage data isn't there yet...and not that many strong tornadoes though Oct 25-26 Tornadoes 67 67 points EF2 8 16 points Damage missing will use 25 million for now 5 points Oct 25-26 TOIN 88 also to be fair, the April and May outbreaks will have to be broken up but not sure where to make the cutoff and don't have info for each seperate timme frame.. For example, Tony seperated the Greensburg Kansas outbreak from the outbreak the day before(?or after) In most publications and research, a break in confirmed tornado activity of at least 6 consecutive hours.... usually is the break for outbreak events, even if they are created by the same exact synoptic storm system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted November 17, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2011 looks like Dr Forbes has his own index now..complete with the F2-F4 reduction for older tornadoes and less fatality "points" like we did http://www.weather.c...reak_2011-10-26 some interesting tid bits Conversely, there have been big changes to our method of rating tornado intensity since 1974 that might be reducing the number of tornadoes being classified as strong (EF2 and EF3) and violent (EF4 and EF5). The original Fujita (F) Scale had just been developed in 1971, and was used in rating those tornadoes. Many of the ratings were assigned to tornadoes by its inventor, Dr. Fujita. The enhanced Fujita (EF) Scale is now in use, and it is very difficult to assign an EF5 rating even when a home is obliterated. Engineers have pointed out structural weaknesses in home (and other structure) construction for the National Weather Service to take into consideration. Some tornadoes previously rated F5 and F4 might now be rated EF4 and EF3. The Impact Index for 2011 might have gone up if I adjusted for this. Statistics show that in the years surrounding the 1974 Superoutbreak, tornadoes rated F2 and stronger and F4 and stronger were 1.72 and 1.53 times more common, respectively, than in the last 20 years. If these were used as adjustment factors, the 2011 outbreak might have had 132 tornadoes rated EF2 or stronger and 23 tornadoes rated EF4 and stronger by 1974 standards, making the 2011 outbreak very similar to 1974 in strong and violent tornado counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted November 17, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2011 In most publications and research, a break in confirmed tornado activity of at least 6 consecutive hours.... usually is the break for outbreak events, even if they are created by the same exact synoptic storm system. 6.02 hours was the shortest gap from April 25-28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted November 17, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2011 http://en.wikipedia....ornado_outbreak april 25-28th 2011 tornadoes 336 336 points Ef2 50 100 point Ef3 50 500 points Ef4 11 220 points Ef5 4 120 points fatalities 322 644 points damages 11 billion (2011) 10.07B 2007USD 2000 points 3920 points edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 http://en.wikipedia....ornado_outbreak april 25-28th 2011 tornadoes 336 336 points Ef2 50 100 point Ef3 50 500 points Ef4 11 220 points Ef5 4 120 points fatalities 322 644 points damages 11 billion (2011) 10.07B 2007USD 2000 points 4010 points Although not surprising, holy smokes...Like several have said, the magnitude if that outbreak had extended north into the GL/OV would be nearly incomprehensible... That tornado was a very rare beast. The only one I know of that traveled SW. An F5 in an environment that by most accounts, shouldnt have produced much of anything, much less an F5. It still places me in a state of awe at a tornado so strong, it strips asphalt off the road. CAPE was ridiculously high (LI's around -11 to -13 in the area), so although shear was modest, storms evolving in that environment still had bad written all over them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 That tornado was a very rare beast. The only one I know of that traveled SW. An F5 in an environment that by most accounts, shouldnt have produced much of anything, much less an F5. It still places me in a state of awe at a tornado so strong, it strips asphalt off the road. There was a MDT risk that day and CAPEs were in excess of 6000/7000 J/kg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 http://en.wikipedia....ornado_outbreak april 25-28th 2011 tornadoes 336 336 points Ef2 50 100 point Ef3 50 500 points Ef4 11 220 points Ef5 4 120 points fatalities 322 644 points damages 11 billion (2011) 10.07B 2007USD 2000 points 3920 points edit I wonder if the single day toin surpasses 4/3/74. Could you just do April 27? (maybe 12z-12z like an SPC day) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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