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January 24th-26th Winter Storm Potential


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Isn't a neutral ao Neutral to positive nao and neutral to positive pna good for us here in the great lakes Harry?

A neutral/-PNA can be good to and thus see 08-09. Depends on other things as well. Same with the AO but this we really don't want it too negative unless we get alot of help from elsewhere sorta like we did last Feb or say Dec 2000.

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A neutral/-PNA can be good to and thus see 08-09. Depends on other things as well. Same with the AO but this we really don't want it too negative unless we get alot of help from elsewhere sorta like we did last Feb or say Dec 2000.

So we have the ao in our favor and the nao is going east based. As far as the pna goes if its positive does that mean the ridge out west sends storms further south? Thanks

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I can agree with that. :) I'm sure part of my skepticism is because of what has happened up to this point, but I gotta be careful to not let that cloud my judgement.

Oh i don't blame you. I feel the exact same way and probably more so. I just cant ignore the potential even though my negative/skeptic side says hell no.

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It takes the WAA snow right threw here, but it is a bit dry.

Looking good again for you Friv.

I see STL is up to 21.6" as of today. Good for 41st place, which is already in the top 1/3 of seasons if the winter ended today. Up, up, and away...just keep tacking on the snow. :)

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I know NCEP does alot better in the 'warm" season, but I can't remember many victories this winter so far.

Well first this event and the overall pattern evolution is far from close to verifying either way--also the NCEP suite (GFS mostly) has done perfectly fine overall this season. Both the GFS and Euro (as expected) have had their share of "victories" and busts with a lot of forecasts in between.

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0z NAM QPF

Maybe Baro can answer this:

with such a broad trough carving into the center of the country and if it can get far enough south with energy in it, wonder what the chances of a slow moving low across the center of the country being able to tap the gulf....kinda like what the euro showed. Or would that require a much sharper trough?

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Maybe Baro can answer this:

with such a broad trough carving into the center of the country and if it can get far enough south with energy in it, wonder what the chances of a slow moving low across the center of the country being able to tap the gulf....kinda like what the euro showed. Or would that require a much sharper trough?

There will be some sort of GOM flow--but it won't be too moist as the front pushing south now http://www.hpc.ncep....rgnamsfcwbg.gif and the second system pushing through in two days are going to wipe the GOM moisture out--and it will take a while to moderate and moisten for the incoming Pacific waves. It does seem Gulf moisture will eventually be prevalent by day 4-5 and beyond--but it seems the trough will be displaced too far E for any of our region. Any of these Pacific waves are going to be displaced from the polar front--so they will not have any significant cyclogenesis potential over the CONUS and subsequent moisture transport. Even the ECMWF keeps most of the moist GOM flow displaced well S and E.

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I honestly dont see any good storms in the near future, this pattern is a persistent blocky/suppressive for any type of storm to form. Especially across the g/l region. After a prolonger period of dry arctic air, only storms develop to the west and fizzle out as it moves east. We have no source of moisture from the south, nor are these system strong. The easter seaboard has been getting clobbered because of the ocean, plus system are further south, and pull in GOM moisture a little easier. Who would have thought that this winter will turn out like this :/. *Chuck Guadica-Ch 4 Detroit did tell me that he expect this winter to be fairly dry and cold, (I thought he was crazy) also he mentioned that he does not see any massive snow storms. Just because we are in a La Nina pattern, that does not mean we will have a good snowy season. Plenty of other factors that need to be taken into consideration, that personally I have not. I guess I can just call this "A Learned lesson".

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