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Mid-Winter Crisis or Start of Something Big?


mitchnick

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you know, when we had our historic last year, PHL had a near historic year, NYC was AN in snow and SNE had an average winter

this year, everybody is doing average or above except for us at way below

hate to say it, but it just ain't fair

weenie rant over

Uh the truth actually furthers your point- PHL smashed their all-time seasonal record last year, and ended up with more snow than Baltimore did (after the NWS adjusted BWI's total).

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it's still a miller b... it looks like a lesser jan 2005 right now.

seems like the flow is way to fast to give anyone anywhere near the totals of 1/05 Ian

verbatim, 3-4" down here and 5-6" up there

followed by some decent cold air

EDIT: I know you said lesser, but I guess 1/05 just brings nightmares to my head

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seems like the flow is way to fast to give anyone anywhere near the totals of 1/05 Ian

verbatim, 3-4" down here and 5-6" up there

followed by some decent cold air

EDIT: I know you said lesser, but I guess 1/05 just brings nightmares to my head

I do so I like the trends thus far. 3-4 would be nice here. For most storms it's been Euro in our camp with GFS not. Nice to have the flip flop. I never thought I'd say it but I'll take that this year.

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seems like the flow is way to fast to give anyone anywhere near the totals of 1/05 Ian

verbatim, 3-4" down here and 5-6" up there

followed by some decent cold air

EDIT: I know you said lesser, but I guess 1/05 just brings nightmares to my head

dc only got 3 and change i think no? looks like 6-12 up BOS way at this range. plenty of time for the vort to figure out how to stack etc and slow for a while up that way.

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I do so I like the trends thus far. 3-4 would be nice here. For most storms it's been Euro in our camp with GFS not. Nice to have the flip flop. I never thought I'd say it but I'll take that this year.

agree

Euro will bring it back tonight or tomorrow 12Z, book it

that's been its MO

it seems to sniff them out first, clobbers us, looses it, brings it back for us but not as strong, then looses it as reality is clarified shortly before the event

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dc only got 3 and change i think no? looks like 6-12 up BOS way at this range. plenty of time for the vort to figure out how to stack etc and slow for a while up that way.

If this is for real, we need to see that 500 vort start heading south of DC. If it lingers in its current location or goes a little north, I think we all know what that means.

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If this is for real, we need to see that 500 vort start heading south of DC. If it lingers in its current location or goes a little north, I think we all know what that means.

i think we could get a few inches from the front end if it worked out right though probably not a ton.. 1-3/2-4? i'd like to see everything keep going south but that's a low probability event. even if the models went that way the next few runs it would be hard to believe. the euro is not really that different than the gfs right now, the gfs develops a bit quicker etc.

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If this is for real, we need to see that 500 vort start heading south of DC. If it lingers in its current location or goes a little north, I think we all know what that means.

That gets a little difficult when it's on the 516DM contour.

All it needs to do is leave 3-5 and it's the biggest storm of the season. I just don't wanna see SNE get slammed again

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But isn't the fact that the 500 vort, where it is currently depicted on the 18z run, the reason for the snow possibilities? Since these models are so unreliable, is there anything currently on the models that would prevent the 500 vort from moving south of DC?

If this is for real, we need to see that 500 vort start heading south of DC. If it lingers in its current location or goes a little north, I think we all know what that means.

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But isn't the fact that the 500 vort, where it is currently depicted on the 18z run, the reason for the snow possibilities? Since these models are so unreliable, is there anything currently on the models that would prevent the 500 vort from moving south of DC?

partly, tho good deal of moisture comes from the southern vort. the northern stream may act to tug some of it over the area. if you don't want to have a very high chance on missing out on the coastal you want the vort to go south. ultimately most of our hope is on the front end probably, so i guess we just want it to pass in a favorable way to give us precip.

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