Bob Chill Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Certainly not the snowiest but one of the more consistent areas is the Wasatch of Utah. It's orograhically perfect for just about every type of flow and even gets a kicker from the lake w/ NW flow. Areas in the Pac NW and BC/AK can be quite variable YoY. Alta's lowest year out of the last 7 was 400" but has been bitting 600-700+ pretty regularly. Probably the best powder skiers paradise in the world. I agree that the true snowiest place on earth is barely observed or not observed at all. There are alot of remote snowmagnets around the globe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlizzardWx Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Certainly not the snowiest but one of the more consistent areas is the Wasatch of Utah. It's orograhically perfect for just about every type of flow and even gets a kicker from the lake w/ NW flow. Areas in the Pac NW and BC/AK can be quite variable YoY. Alta's lowest year out of the last 7 was 400" but has been bitting 600-700+ pretty regularly. Probably the best powder skiers paradise in the world. I agree that the true snowiest place on earth is barely observed or not observed at all. There are alot of remote snowmagnets around the globe. Down here in the wasatch valleys we average about 60 inches a year so not that incredibly high but you are correct about the mountains being very snowy. Up at Alta they see several hundred per year and I think they recorded the most snow in the world in like 82 or 83 with ~1080 inches that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zemu Glacier Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Down here in the wasatch valleys we average about 60 inches a year so not that incredibly high but you are correct about the mountains being very snowy. Up at Alta they see several hundred per year and I think they recorded the most snow in the world in like 82 or 83 with ~1080 inches that year. actually according to the following site the most snowfall recorded in Utah was 810 inches in 1984 http://www.currentre...owiest-year.php While Alta gets a lot of snow there is no way its going to approach anything in the 1000 inch range which is a very high mark that only the snowiest areas in the Washington Cascades have reached. Specifically Mount Baker Ski resort which got 1,140 inches for the 1998-1999 season The world record for the most snow in one year is now held by Mount Baker (elevation: 10,775 feet / 3,285 meters) in Washington State, USA. The Mount Baker Ski Area reported 1,140 inches (95 feet) / 2,896 cm (29 meters) of snowfall for the 1998-99 season. http://www.athropoli.../fact-baker.htm The Paradise area right at the foot of the south face of Mount Rainer had the record before it was broken with 1,122 inches for the 1971-1972 but probably has a higher Average than Mount Baker Ski Resort. here is their record of annual snowfall going back all the way to 1920. http://www.nps.gov/m...e&pageid=457177 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chill Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 actually according to the following site the most snowfall recorded in Utah was 810 inches in 1984 That's correct. There is no doubt that the Pac NW is the snowiest place in the US. The Wasatch is just impressive because it has consistently high YoY totals and is 700 miles from the nearest ocean. Another thing is that the Pac NW dominates # of inches of liquid precip by far. Even if the Wasatch got 1100" of snow, the liquid equivalent would be a good bit below that of the Pac NW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zemu Glacier Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 That's correct. There is no doubt that the Pac NW is the snowiest place in the US. The Wasatch is just impressive because it has consistently high YoY totals and is 700 miles from the nearest ocean. well I would qualify that by saying that there is no doubt that the pacific NW is the snowiest place in the lower 48 states. again St Elias range and the Chugach range in southern Alaska I'm sure get every bit as much snow as the pacific NW (i'm sure more. probably quite a bit more especially when it comes to the St Elias range) but of course there are no measuring equipment in those places and even if there was it would be very very difficult to measure it with much accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlizzardWx Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 actually according to the following site the most snowfall recorded in Utah was 810 inches in 1984 http://www.currentre...owiest-year.php While Alta gets a lot of snow there is no way its going to approach anything in the 1000 inch range which is a very high mark that only the snowiest areas in the Washington Cascades have reached. Specifically Mount Baker Ski resort which got 1,140 inches for the 1998-1999 season The world record for the most snow in one year is now held by Mount Baker (elevation: 10,775 feet / 3,285 meters) in Washington State, USA. The Mount Baker Ski Area reported 1,140 inches (95 feet) / 2,896 cm (29 meters) of snowfall for the 1998-99 season. http://www.athropoli.../fact-baker.htm The Paradise area right at the foot of the south face of Mount Rainer had the record before it was broken with 1,122 inches for the 1971-1972 but probably has a higher Average than Mount Baker Ski Resort. here is their record of annual snowfall going back all the way to 1920. http://www.nps.gov/m...e&pageid=457177 I knew that wasn't exact, it was just hearsay. Thanks for the clarification on this. Either way like you have said its impressive for its inland location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Gotta love the Cascades when the trough is in the west. 8' possible by Thursday... P & C for Mt. Rainier @ 12330': Today: Snow showers. High near 7. Breezy, with a west southwest wind 13 to 16 mph increasing to between 23 and 26 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%. Total daytime snow accumulation of 3 to 5 inches possible. Tonight: Snow showers likely. Mostly cloudy, with a low around -3. West northwest wind between 8 and 17 mph. Chance of precipitation is 60%. New snow accumulation of 1 to 3 inches possible. Tuesday: A 40 percent chance of snow showers. Mostly cloudy and cold, with a high near 10. West northwest wind between 8 and 16 mph. New snow accumulation of 1 to 3 inches possible. Tuesday Night: A 40 percent chance of snow. Cloudy, with a low around -1. Northwest wind 7 to 10 mph becoming south southwest. New snow accumulation of 5 to 9 inches possible. Wednesday: Snow. High near 13. Southwest wind between 13 and 20 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 33 to 39 inches possible. Wednesday Night: Snow showers. Low around -2. Breezy. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 23 to 29 inches possible. Thursday: Snow showers. High near 7. Chance of precipitation is 90%. New snow accumulation of 7 to 11 inches possible. Today: Snow. The snow could be heavy at times. High near 16. Windy, with a southwest wind 33 to 36 mph decreasing to between 18 and 21 mph. Winds could gust as high as 43 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. Total daytime snow accumulation of 37 to 43 inches possible. Tonight: Snow. The snow could be heavy at times. Low around 12. Windy, with a southwest wind between 50 and 55 mph, with gusts as high as 70 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 34 to 40 inches possible. Wednesday: Snow. The snow could be heavy at times. Temperature rising to near 16 by noon, then falling to around 9 during the remainder of the day. Windy, with a west southwest wind 45 to 50 mph decreasing to between 20 and 25 mph. Winds could gust as high as 60 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 18 to 24 inches possible. Wednesday Night: Snow showers likely. Cloudy, with a low around 4. West wind around 17 mph. Chance of precipitation is 70%. New snow accumulation of 1 to 2 inches possible. Thanksgiving Day: Snow. The snow could be heavy at times. High near 9. Windy, with a southwest wind 24 to 27 mph increasing to between 36 and 39 mph. Winds could gust as high as 47 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New snow accumulation of 20 to 26 inches possible. Thursday Night: Snow showers. The snow could be heavy at times. Low around -7. Windy. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 16 to 22 inches possible. Friday: Snow showers likely. Cloudy and cold, with a high near 1. Chance of precipitation is 70%. New snow accumulation of 7 to 11 inches possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Today: Snow. The snow could be heavy at times. High near 16. Windy, with a southwest wind 33 to 36 mph decreasing to between 18 and 21 mph. Winds could gust as high as 43 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. Total daytime snow accumulation of 37 to 43 inches possible. Tonight: Snow. The snow could be heavy at times. Low around 12. Windy, with a southwest wind between 50 and 55 mph, with gusts as high as 70 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 34 to 40 inches possible. Wednesday: Snow. The snow could be heavy at times. Temperature rising to near 16 by noon, then falling to around 9 during the remainder of the day. Windy, with a west southwest wind 45 to 50 mph decreasing to between 20 and 25 mph. Winds could gust as high as 60 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 18 to 24 inches possible. Wednesday Night: Snow showers likely. Cloudy, with a low around 4. West wind around 17 mph. Chance of precipitation is 70%. New snow accumulation of 1 to 2 inches possible. Thanksgiving Day: Snow. The snow could be heavy at times. High near 9. Windy, with a southwest wind 24 to 27 mph increasing to between 36 and 39 mph. Winds could gust as high as 47 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New snow accumulation of 20 to 26 inches possible. Thursday Night: Snow showers. The snow could be heavy at times. Low around -7. Windy. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 16 to 22 inches possible. Friday: Snow showers likely. Cloudy and cold, with a high near 1. Chance of precipitation is 70%. New snow accumulation of 7 to 11 inches possible. Wednesday night is a bit of a downer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSUBlizzicane2007 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 My mind can't even comprehend 1000+" of annual snowfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chill Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 My mind can't even comprehend 1000+" of annual snowfall. Lol- Even if it happened in Ji's backyard he would still cancel winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zemu Glacier Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Check out the snow accumulation predicted for Mount Baker and Glacier Peak http://www.mountain-forecast.com/peaks/Mount-Baker/forecasts/3285 http://www.mountain-forecast.com/peaks/Glacier-Peak/forecasts/3213 For some reason the Olympics aren't getting as much as the cascades so far this year (last it year it was the Olympics that got the most snow in Washington) http://www.mountain-forecast.com/peaks/Mount-Olympus-2/forecasts/2427 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zemu Glacier Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Check out some of these insane totals predicted for just Wednesday in the St Elias Range Mount St Elias 78.7 inches http://www.mountain-forecast.com/peaks/Mount-Saint-Elias/forecasts/5489 Mount Fairweather 77.1 inches(59.8 inches just for the evening snowfall) http://www.mountain-forecast.com/peaks/Mount-Fairweather/forecasts/4663 Mount Hubbard 66.5 inches http://www.mountain-forecast.com/peaks/Mount-Hubbard/forecasts/4557 Mount Logan 58.7 inches http://www.mountain-forecast.com/peaks/Mount-Logan/forecasts/5959 and further south in the British Columbia Coast range Mount Waddington is predicted to get 58.6 inches of snow today(Saturday) http://www.mountain-forecast.com/peaks/Mount-Waddington/forecasts/4016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zemu Glacier Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Looks like the two Himalayaen peaks Annapurna and Manaslu also receive enormous amounts of snowfall(probably not as much as Kangchenjunga). Manaslu, at 8163 meters, is the eighth highest peak in the world. It is located in the west-central part of Nepal, and our team will climb it by the original route. We will be climbing during the "spring" or " pre-monsoon" season, when the hazards of weather and snow and avalanche are traditionally at their lowest. But even climbing during spring this is how much it snowed Our international team made a democratic (one member-one vote) unanimous decision to be super-safe and cautiously descend the mountain, after we received 13 meters of snow in 30 days, and all of our tents were buried several times (luckily we brought tons of extra equipment). http://www.k2news.com/2003/m03dandis11.htm and a book have on climbing the 14 8000 meter peaks says on page 33 that on the original ascent of Annapurna it snowed 12-20 inches on most afternoons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zemu Glacier Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Hello again people I found some interesting information on this topic. First starting with the following(which will be it for today). The following is based on Oregon State's Prism(Parameter-elevation Regressions on Independent Slopes Model) project."Despite these impressive statistics, the wettest spot on Earth may be in the Coast Mountains of southeast Alaska, inthe high country about halfway between Juneau and Yakutat, according to Jan Curtis of the Alaska Climate Research Centerat the Geophysical Institute. Curtis came to this conclusion after looking at weather model data sent to him by GeorgeTaylor, a climatologist at Oregon State University. After studying Taylor's Alaska map, which is color-coded for amountof precipitation, Curtis saw a great black spot in the mountains southeast of Yakutat. The black mark meant that the areashould receive more than 450 inches of precipitation (rain and the water from snow if it all was melted) each year. Thatspot, an area between Glacier Bay and the Pacific Ocean at about 10,000 feet, may be the wettest spot on Earth."http://www2.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF14/1440.htmlthrough email communication with Jan Curtis I found out that this "spot" is on the windwward side(which generally meansthe SW or WSW side) of a 12,000 foot mountain called Mount Crillon in the fairweather range(which is at the southern endof the Saint Elias range) but that instead of the spot being around 10,000 feet it was actually around 2000 meters whichin feet is about 6500 feet. Now it goes without saying that most of that precipitation would be in the form of snowfall.Here is the wiki on Mount Crillonhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_CrillonFor the record I think the wettest spot in world is most likely in Colombia or maybe in the East Khasi Hills in Indiarather than the this spot on Mount .Here is also the prism precipitation map for Alaska and you can clearly see that the Saint Elias Mountains(alongwith two small areas within the Chugach range) are predicted to get the most precipitation. It doesn't include that black mark for that super wet spot on Mount Crillion(just too small to include I guess) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallow Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Sapporo, Japan, at less than 200' elevation, averages over 230" of snow a year. They average around 43" of total precip (rain and melted snow) per year, so we'll define an "annual snow-rain ratio" for them of 5.38. Their wet season is from August through January, so it straddles a period where temperatures are borderline. This implies that the mountains around Sapporo (and on the north part of the main Japanese Island of Honshu, which get even more precip), which rise above 4,000', must have a better annual snow-rain ratio in addition to getting more total precipitation. Let's conservatively set the annual snow-rain ratio at 4,000' to 7. Here's a precip map of Japan: Sapporo is in the 1,000-1,200mm range there. The mountainous areas nearby get up to 2,000mm annually, and on northern Honshu the numbers get as high as 2,800mm. If we assume a 7.0 ratio, those mountainous areas are averaging as much as 772" of snow per year. This might not beat the mountains of SE Alaska, but for a region right near a major population area, it's probably about the highest you'll find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zemu Glacier Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Ok interestingly enough there is thread of the same name on a different forum. Specifically herehttp://www.stormtrack.org/forum/showthread.php?29592-The-snowiest-place-on-Earth This one is interesting because one poster(MClarkson) went back for the last three years and determinedwhich mountains are the snowiest based on forecast data. You can see the results in the last post. As for the results, well it does include many of the areas I would have thought get heavy snow. Havingsaid that I do have questions. First I notice some of the listings are very generic and include areas that are vast in area such asPeru, Antarctica, Iceland, Patagonia & Japan. What specific areas are being referred to when referencingthese countries and regions? I'm very much skeptical of the numbers for Antarctica given that generallyits a very dry continent although I do know that there are some areas(like Law Dome which as I recallgets a high accumulation rate) do get decent snowfall but I doubt as much as Mount Baker, Mount Rainier,Mount Saint Elias, Kanchenjunga or Mount Waddington. I'm also familiar with(to some degree) accumulation rates from Ice core drilling from glaciologists(I'mnot a glaciologist just for the record) and according to the data for Chimborazo and mount Everest,they both have low accumulation rates which would seem to contradict the notion they receive the heavysnowfall suggested in that list. So in the case of Chimborazo its accumulation is below 1.00 MWE/Year(meters water equivalent). Specifically"0.7 mwe.yr-1 o" according to this source http://www.iwra.org/congress/2008/resource/authors/abs300_article.pdf or "0.5 MWE." according to the following source(table 1 which also lists accumulation rates for otherAndean peaks such as Huascaran which had an accumulation rate of 1.3 which was the highest for thoselisted). http://www.atmos.albany.edu/facstaff/mathias/pubs/Vimeux_et_al_2009.pdf and 0.45 for an accumulation rate for the north side of Mount Everest according to the following sourcehttp://lindseynicholson.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Benn-et-al..-2012.-Earth-Science-Reviews.-Response-of-debris-covered-glaciers-in-the-Mount-Everest-region-to-recent-warming-and-implications-for-outburst-flood-hazards2.pdf So the accumulation rates for Mount Everest do not seem to indicate such heavy snowfall that was suggestedin that list. Of course I'm sure it would heavier on the south side but that much more? Kind of doubt it. I certainly can't see Mount Everest getting as much snowfall as Kanchenjunga, Annapurna Manaslu,(or morethan Rainer or Mount Cook for that matter). According to precipitation maps I've seen of Nepal the areaaround Annapurna and Manaslu should get the heaviest snowfall in Nepal. So here is a precipitation map of Nepal to see what I'm talking about http://www.atozmapsdata.com/zoomify.asp?name=Country/Modern/Z_Nepal_Precip I still have a lot more to say about this topic and in particular the results from that MClarkson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 It doesn't include that black mark for that super wet spot on Mount Crillion(just too small to include I guess) The top end of range for the gray areas is 13,000 mm, which comes to about 512". Even without the super-wet black spot, might there be a 3,000" location around there? For lower 48 towns, Hooker, NY, at 1,800' on the Tug Hill Plateau, runs about 240"/yr, perhaps 10% above Boonville. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zemu Glacier Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Tamaracknot sure I understand your question"Even without the super-wet black spot, might there be a 3,000" location around there?"I will say that the highest precipitaion areas of that prism precipitation map lists ratherlarge areas in the Saint Elias range receiving between 7,000 and 13,000 MM of precipitationbut from that you can't see what are the highest areas within that range.I do wish in the future that prism applies their technology to patagonia, Colombia, New zealandand the Himalayas(especially patagonia)Now getting back to this post from MClarkson in that other forum. MClarkson lists Pico CristóbalColón and Nevada del Huila as taking the first and third positions in terms of snowfall predictionamounts for the last 3 years. Well I've been following closely one particular forecasting site formountains the last 2 years (I've got mixed feelings about the quality of the site mind you. Thereare others). the first year Nevada del Huila seemed to get more snowfall than any other mountainbut within the last year the amount of snowfall predicted for Nevada del Huila seemed to be nowherenear what what was predicted the previous year. For that first year Nevada del Huila seemed todefintely get more snowfall than Cristobal but this past year it seems Cristobal defintely is gettingmore snowfall than Nevada del Huila. also the ratio listed is 10 to 1 but given that many of the mountains listed are close to the oceanisn't that kind of a big ratio to assume? Shouldn't it be smaller? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmeddler Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 My candidate: Mawson Peak (9,006 ft/2,745m) in the Heard Islands of the southern ocean. The climate record there on the island is very incomplete but 1300-1900mm/yr seems to be the norm. Note the climate record is at sea level and thus is not representative topographical effects of the nine thousand foot mountain. Check out the forecast (GFS based I assume). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zemu Glacier Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 wxmeddleralong similar lines there is also Mount Paget(9,629 ft at -54.433333,-36.55) in the south Georgia islands whichone glaciaologist (can't remember what his name was but I will try and search this information) put along with someareas in Patagonia, as essentially the snowiest place on earth. I used to think it could have been about 10 to 15years ago but forcasting websites so far(or at least one) haven't suggested that Mount Paget gets all that much.Here is the wiki for Mount Pagethttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Paget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Tamarack not sure I understand your question "Even without the super-wet black spot, might there be a 3,000" location around there?" I will say that the highest precipitaion areas of that prism precipitation map lists rather large areas in the Saint Elias range receiving between 7,000 and 13,000 MM of precipitation but from that you can't see what are the highest areas within that range. Sorry for being a bit obscure in my earlier post. The point I tried to make was this: If somewhere in that map's gray areas hits the top of that range, they would have over 500" of total precip. At an avg of 6:1 (seems reasonable given latitude and elevation), that would make for 3,000" (250 feet) annual snowfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zemu Glacier Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Sorry for being a bit obscure in my earlier post. The point I tried to make was this: If somewhere in that map's gray areas hits the top of that range, they would have over 500" of total precip. At an avg of 6:1 (seems reasonable given latitude and elevation), that would make for 3,000" (250 feet) annual snowfall. Yes true but you wouldn't know which points in that map actually do get in the 13,000 MM range and thus would have no idea where that super wet spot actually is which was my point when I said I will say that the highest precipitation areas of that prism precipitation map lists rather large areas in the Saint Elias range receiving between 7,000 and 13,000 MM of precipitation but from that you can't see what are the highest areas within that range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zemu Glacier Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Focusing on Patagonia for a while, another interesting possibility is Monte San Valentin which is the highest point inPatagonia but is not in the SPI but the NPI. I say interesting because there is conflicting information on whether MonteSan Valentin would be a place of heavy snowfall depending on if the source is from weather forecasting websites orlooking at accumulation rates based on ice core drilling. Based on forecasting websites Monte San Valentin would seem to be one of the very best choices to consider(maybethe best). On the other hand, its much more mixed according to Ice Core drilling where some research has said theaccumulation rates at Monte San Valentin was low to moderate while another said that it was low from about 1965 to2005 and then from 2005 to 2007 sharply increased to 3250 mm w.e. The following source(table 1) lists the accumulation rate of Monte San Valentin as .2 which was the lowest listed. http://www.atmos.albany.edu/facstaff/mathias/pubs/Vimeux_et_al_2009.pdf This next site paints a more complicated picture(this was the source that said the accumulation rate of MonteSan Valentin was 3250 mm w.e. from 2005 and 2007 which is a decent accumulation rate) http://tel.archives-ouvertes.fr/docs/00/58/68/42/PDF/Moreno-Isabel-2011-archivage.pdf The site says that some models predict an accumulation rate between 8000(PRECIS) & 4000(GFS) mm w.e. (6700 mm w.e. FROM eSCOBAR) which would indicate heavy snowfall predictions. These sources do seem to say that "wind scouring" would blow off much of the snowfall which would reflect some of the lower accumulation rates of Monte San Valentin. There is also the issue of location. Monte San Valentin is basically located at the extreme NE edge of the NPI so Iwould wonder how much precipitation would be available that far to the east(precipitation drops very quickly inPatagonia as you go eastward) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Yes true but you wouldn't know which points in that map actually do get in the 13,000 MM range and thus would have no idea where that super wet spot actually is which was my point when I said I will say that the highest precipitation areas of that prism precipitation map lists rather large areas in the Saint Elias range receiving between 7,000 and 13,000 MM of precipitation but from that you can't see what are the highest areas within that range. All true, but since precip generally increases with altitude (up to a point) and especially on slopes facing the prevailing winds, it's probable that the highest precip areas in the gray are up high enough for most of it to be frozen. We can't say how close to 13K mm those places are, but it stands to reason that they would not be too far from the high end, or the spread would be smaller. Of course, without someone up there with a lo-o-ong measuring stick, this is all hypothetical. (But fun... Thanks for all the info.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zemu Glacier Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 All true, but since precip generally increases with altitude (up to a point) and especially on slopes facing the prevailing winds, it's probable that the highest precip areas in the gray are up high enough for most of it to be frozen. We can't say how close to 13K mm those places are, but it stands to reason that they would not be too far from the high end, or the spread would be smaller. Of course, without someone up there with a lo-o-ong measuring stick, this is all hypothetical. (But fun... Thanks for all the info.) "Of course, without someone up there with a lo-o-ong measuring stick, this is all hypothetical" I wonder if snow measuring technology will ever be so sophisticated and advanced that one day we might be able to secure very tightly (like on a rock or buried deep within a glacier or ice field) some device that would be able to accurately measure how much snowfall in such remote areas and record it electronically which could be picked up every so often during relatively stable periods of weather(or maybe communicate with a satellite every so often) Of course safety would be very important issue here. Some areas I'm sure might just be to avalanche prone to get to but you know if we can send a rocket to mars where a robot was essentially dropped off which then sends information back to us for research purposes, there is no reason to believe that we can't do this or that we don't have the means to think of a way to do this now but of course who would think it would be worth funding such research? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zemu Glacier Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 So what other potential areas in Patagonia might be candidates for the heaviest snowfall? Well I already discussed the upper part of Tyndall Glacier(-50.984722,-73.52 ) and Monte San Valentin but my favorite choice might be a volcano called Aguilera(around 7500 feet or 8300 feet depending on the source). I think Aguilera would be a good choice because 1) its at a decent elevation 2) is far to the west on the SPI and thus is very close to the Ocean 3) is very close to the 50 degree latitude((-50.334504 or -50.402391 depending on the source) where precipitationis supposed to be very heavy. The area just to the west of here and a bit to the north (like around -50.24855,-73.843789, -50.16079,-73.835464 and -50.190391,-73.836622) seem to be good candidates for extreme heavy snowfall although they are only in the 1600 meter or 1700 meter range). There is only one forecasting website(actually two but one of them I only recently came aware of and in that case you can put the longitude and latitude of Aguilera to get the forecast) and its predictions have put Aguilera definitely on the above average side of snowfall but not as heavy as Monte San Valentin or another volcano Lautaro(over 11,000 feet in the northern part of the SPI on the border of Chile and Argentina) another good area to consider in Patagonia is cordon mariano Moreno (-49.483333°,-73.416667° or -49.320842,-73.416653 depending on the source) whose elevation is listed either at 3249 meters, 3490 meters (google has it over 3400 meters), 2,863 meters or 2244 meters depending on the source. If its over 3000 meters elevation then that would be higher than the vast majority of the SPI, close to the 50 degree mark and is relatively close to the Ocean but not as close as Aguilera. There are other areas within the SPI that are decent elevation, close to the ocean and close to the 50 degree mark such as around -50.131446,-73.595867 & -49.671488,-73.511367 and thus would be a good candidate for heavy snowfall Well that's it for Patagonia for me. I think next(like maybe tomorrow) I want to discuss the southern alps of New Zealand where is there is quite a bit of conflicting information on how much snowfall it gets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franklin NCwx Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Tolland, Connecticut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Zemu Glacier Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 My candidate: Mawson Peak (9,006 ft/2,745m) in the Heard Islands of the southern ocean. The climate record there on the island is very incomplete but 1300-1900mm/yr seems to be the norm. Note the climate record is at sea level and thus is not representative topographical effects of the nine thousand foot mountain. Check out the forecast (GFS based I assume). I'm really intrigued about this Mawson peak. I wasn't aware of it until you mentioned so I will be monitoring it from now on. It does seem to have very similar weather to Mount Paget of the South Georgia Islands and looking at the mountain forecasts this seems to be true Mawson Peak http://www.mountain-forecast.com/peaks/Mawson-Peak/forecasts/2745 http://www.viewweather.com/w2162819-weather-forecast-for-mawson_peak-heard_island_and_mcdonald_islands_general_.html http://www.yr.no/place/Heard_Island_and_McDonald_Islands/Other/Mawson_Peak/ Mount Paget http://www.mountain-forecast.com/peaks/Mount-Paget http://www.viewweather.com/w2132980-weather-forecast-for-mount_paget-south_georgia_and_the_south_sandwich_islands_general_.html http://www.yr.no/place/South_Georgia_and_The_South_Sandwich_Islands/Other/Mount_Paget/ I will say that if we can expect very high levels of precipitatio on Mawson peak based on 1300-1900 mm precipitation levels at sea level then there would be even more reason to expect higher snowfall in the higher peaks in Patagonia and the northern Coast mountains bordering BC and Alaska just north and east of Little Port Walter, alaska and juneau alaska. Villa Puerto Edén is at sea level in chile located about -49.139, -74.453 and gets about 5,745 MM(226 inches) of precipitation a year. It also happens to be directly west of the Southern patagonia Icecap. In fact about 20 more miles east and you hit the Southern patagonia Icecap. A little more than about 30 miles East NorthEast from Villa Puerto Edén you hit that 11,000 foot Lautaro Volcano I mentioned and about 40 to 45 miles east southeast you hit Cordón Mariano Moren (about as high as Lautaro Volcano according to some sources) which I mentioned. Similar things holds for the northern Coast mountains bordering alaska & BC just northeast of Little Port Walter, alaska and juneau, alaska. Little Port Walter gets about as much annual precipitation as Villa Puerto Edén(interestingly almost exactlty the same amount of annual precipitation as Villa Puerto Edén) and is also at sea level. Although in the case of Little Port Walter its much farther away from the mountains in question(100 miles or so to the east northeast). On the other hand there is juneau, alaska which is a little above sea level and about much about as close or closer to the mountains in question as Villa Puerto Edén is to those higher peaks of Patagonia but the precipitation levels of juneau are much less and in fact seem to be in the 1300-1900 MM range of Heard Islands. So maybe that area on the border between Alaska and BC just northeast of juneau would be comparable to Mawson peak although Mawson peak I think would be about 2-3000 feet higher than those peaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 2/5/14 begins the Sapporo snow festival. We have 5 months to learn Japanese. Any takers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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