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GL/MW/OV January 2011 Disco Part II


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Nashville is at 9.3" this year, and was 0.7" last year to date, above normal this year and below last. They may get a slushy inch tomorrow. I dont get whats so crazy about that? And thats last sentence is really stretching it. Just as an example, the Feb 9/10, 2010 snowstorm officially dropped 12.9" in Chicago, 12.1" in Toledo, and 8.6" in Detroit. Please tell me what places in the south have eclipsed those numbers. And certainly to make it fair, i dont want to see some unofficial lollipop/jackpot report, because Im sure I can find a lot of the same in the midwest. Im sure you can find an isolated spot in the south, but the whole generalization is just wrong. The sentence would be factual if it read "isolated spots in the south have seen bigger snowstorms in the past two seasons than isolated spots of the midwest". Seriously, the exaggerations are getting old.

The whole idea is that they shouldn't be even close to getting as many big storms given their warmer climate. But that just goes to show you what teleconnections do. The ENSO doesn't matter because the Tele's can turn it upside down, like this year. I will say this an inch of snow everyday isn't bad, considering its cold enough for it to not melt right away like it usually does. I just hope when we do get a decent storm, a rain storm didnt come before it and wash all of it away.

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Suprised by how well today's snow worked out. I'll measure in a bit but we're probably between 2 and 3 inches. It was beautiful this evening on campus. If it wasn't such a hectic day I would have taken some photos of the snow shimmering in the light.

Music to my ears.

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Suprised by how well today's snow worked out. I'll measure in a bit but we're probably between 2 and 3 inches. It was beautiful this evening on campus. If it wasn't such a hectic day I would have taken some photos of the snow shimmering in the light.

Music to my ears.

$$$

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The whole idea is that they shouldn't be even close to getting as many big storms given their warmer climate. But that just goes to show you what teleconnections do. The ENSO doesn't matter because the Tele's can turn it upside down, like this year. I will say this an inch of snow everyday isn't bad, considering its cold enough for it to not melt right away like it usually does. I just hope when we do get a decent storm, a rain storm didnt come before it and wash all of it away.

The south has always gotten the occasional snowstorm, and Nashville itself hasnt even had a big one this year, their biggest storm this year is under 3 inches. Theyve just had several snowfalls. And they are WAYYY overdue for an above average winter anyway. They average 10" per season, and have been below normal get this...20 of the last 22 winters. THAT is what is amazing, not the fact that they will be getting a slushy inch tomorrow to give them their 3rd above average season in a quarter century. Can you imagine what some would be saying if Detroit had only eclipsed 40" three times in the last quarter century?

Anyway, I just dont get the mindset of some (not naming names, just some generalizations I get) that we should be jealous of a 3-4" snowstorm in the south because it shouldnt snow in the south, even though we are still having a MUCH better winter here, because we are the north.

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Suprised by how well today's snow worked out. I'll measure in a bit but we're probably between 2 and 3 inches. It was beautiful this evening on campus. If it wasn't such a hectic day I would have taken some photos of the snow shimmering in the light.

I got shafted with one centimetre :thumbsdown:

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Wow, my eyeballing is usually pretty accurate, but not tonight. Only 1.4" feel it seems, including the half an inch from this morning.

Brings me to 29.6" for the season. Sorry boys but you'll have to wait at least one more night. And yeah, to the other four: I'm open to double or nothing a la Stebo.

Josh, snowdepth is between 9 and 10 inches.

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Wow, my eyeballing is usually pretty accurate, but not tonight. Only 1.4" feel it seems, including the half an inch from this morning.

Brings me to 29.6" for the season. Sorry boys but you'll have to wait at least one more night. And yeah, to the other four: I'm open to double or nothing a la Stebo.

Josh, snowdepth is between 9 and 10 inches.

I'm low-balling 27.5" so far, I lost track at some point and won't know the real total until the Jan WX summary is released by the university. Could be anywhere from 28-35" for all I know :whistle:

Oh hey, I'm leaving for Sarnia this week, anything looking good down that way for the weekend?

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Nashville is at 9.3" this year, and was 0.7" last year to date, above normal this year and below last. They may get a slushy inch tomorrow. I dont get whats so crazy about that? And thats last sentence is really stretching it. Just as an example, the Feb 9/10, 2010 snowstorm officially dropped 12.9" in Chicago, 12.1" in Toledo, and 8.6" in Detroit. Please tell me what places in the south have eclipsed those numbers. And certainly to make it fair, i dont want to see some unofficial lollipop/jackpot report, because Im sure I can find a lot of the same in the midwest. Im sure you can find an isolated spot in the south, but the whole generalization is just wrong. The sentence would be factual if it read "isolated spots in the south have seen bigger snowstorms in the past two seasons than isolated spots of the midwest". Seriously, the exaggerations are getting old.

The christmas storm of 2009 (for one).

And to be fair, your amounts for the 2-9/10 storm were isolated too. Find me a widespread one as well in the past two years in the area I mentioned.

BTW, Memphis & Nashville are under SWS for at least 2" tomorow, and Northern Alabama is under a winter storm watch for at least 3". Of course those are conservative amounts, as we know how much potential these strong upper level lows with so much vertical motion have to overachieve (I.E. NWS in Nashville mentions the possibility of greater than 4", and so does NWS Memphis).

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Wow, my eyeballing is usually pretty accurate, but not tonight. Only 1.4" feel it seems, including the half an inch from this morning.

Brings me to 29.6" for the season. Sorry boys but you'll have to wait at least one more night. And yeah, to the other four: I'm open to double or nothing a la Stebo.

Josh, snowdepth is between 9 and 10 inches.

:) You'll make 35" by the weekend.

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This seems like the winter of hyperbole. We all want a major storm but the fact is that you can find winters that have been much worse than this one (I'm talking about the region as a whole...obviously my backyard has done quite well).

same here, have to go and find what my total is so far this year, think around 18" or something, not sure. alot of 2-5" events that add up nicely over time. waiting for the big 8"+ event, hopefully we get one.

Joe, whats your total at so far?

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This seems like the winter of hyperbole. We all want a major storm but the fact is that you can find winters that have been much worse than this one (I'm talking about the region as a whole...obviously my backyard has done quite well).

Strange to think that while here I'm close to 30" with the snow total, just an hour southwest of here they are at or well above 280" so far. :arrowhead: :arrowhead: :arrowhead:

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Wow, my eyeballing is usually pretty accurate, but not tonight. Only 1.4" feel it seems, including the half an inch from this morning.

Brings me to 29.6" for the season. Sorry boys but you'll have to wait at least one more night. And yeah, to the other four: I'm open to double or nothing a la Stebo.

Josh, snowdepth is between 9 and 10 inches.

Funny you said that, because when I was shoveling I thought the same thing, it looked like more.

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same here, have to go and find what my total is so far this year, think around 18" or something, not sure. alot of 2-5" events that add up nicely over time. waiting for the big 8"+ event, hopefully we get one.

Joe, whats your total at so far?

23.3"

Biggest system was 4" back in early December.

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The christmas storm of 2009 (for one).

And to be fair, your amounts for the 2-9/10 storm were isolated too. Find me a widespread one as well in the past two years in the area I mentioned.

BTW, Memphis & Nashville are under SWS for at least 2" tomorow, and Northern Alabama is under a winter storm watch for at least 3". Of course those are conservative amounts, as we know how much potential these strong upper level lows with so much vertical motion have to overachieve (I.E. NWS in Nashville mentions the possibility of greater than 4", and so does NWS Memphis).

What areas got what with the Christmas 2009 storm? A quick check of Atlanta, Raleigh, and Nashville shows NO snow in Dec 2009.

How were my amounts for Feb 9/10, 2010 isolated!? I named you ORD, TOL, and DTW.

Will a map be better?

snow201002101312.png

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What areas got what with the Christmas 2009 storm? A quick check of Atlanta, Raleigh, and Nashville shows NO snow in Dec 2009.

How were my amounts for Feb 9/10, 2010 isolated!? I named you ORD, TOL, and DTW.

Will a map be better?

snow201002101312.png

The Christmas eve 2009 storm was more of a Plains event. Areas in the southern Plains got a lot.

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The Christmas eve 2009 storm was more of a Plains event. Areas in the southern Plains got a lot.

Oh yeah, i remember that now. Checked area f6's in KS, AR, OK, TX, and the only impressive total was OKC with 13.5", but no other area had close to that. Thats my point, you can find isolated jackpots in the south and isolated screw holes in the north, but as a whole, while snow is much more impressive in the south bc of climo, very few places in the south have literally had a bigger snowstorm than places in the north in the last 2 years.

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The south has always gotten the occasional snowstorm, and Nashville itself hasnt even had a big one this year, their biggest storm this year is under 3 inches. Theyve just had several snowfalls. And they are WAYYY overdue for an above average winter anyway. They average 10" per season, and have been below normal get this...20 of the last 22 winters. THAT is what is amazing, not the fact that they will be getting a slushy inch tomorrow to give them their 3rd above average season in a quarter century. Can you imagine what some would be saying if Detroit had only eclipsed 40" three times in the last quarter century?

Anyway, I just dont get the mindset of some (not naming names, just some generalizations I get) that we should be jealous of a 3-4" snowstorm in the south because it shouldnt snow in the south, even though we are still having a MUCH better winter here, because we are the north.

I think the mindset that some of the people have is that because you are north you should have way more snow than Nashville when in reality it just is not the case. I don't know how much Detroit averages per season but I feel some people feel that they should be outdoing Nashville by a 100". When in reality they average maybe 3' more per year. Which really is quite a bit but not nearly as much as some would like. If a person wants huge snows just go to the Rockies or Sierra Nevada. There is where the really good snows are. I would love to have those types of snows but the unfortunate reality of it all is it just isn't happening. There is always a slight glimmer of hope each fall that I will get huge snows but my expectations are usually way too high. It is disappointing but pretty much expected. Who knows maybe one year it will happen. It just isn't this year even though I have already surpassed my season total of 09-10 by 6" already. So pretty good by most peoples standards.

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I think the mindset that some of the people have is that because you are north you should have way more snow than Nashville when in reality it just is not the case. I don't know how much Detroit averages per season but I feel some people feel that they should be outdoing Nashville by a 100". When in reality they average maybe 3' more per year. Which really is quite a bit but not nearly as much as some would like. If a person wants huge snows just go to the Rockies or Sierra Nevada. There is where the really good snows are. I would love to have those types of snows but the unfortunate reality of it all is it just isn't happening. There is always a slight glimmer of hope each fall that I will get huge snows but my expectations are usually way too high. It is disappointing but pretty much expected. Who knows maybe one year it will happen. It just isn't this year even though I have already surpassed my season total of 09-10 by 6" already. So pretty good by most peoples standards.

44 inches more in suburbs..

Or the Keweenaw peninsula

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What areas got what with the Christmas 2009 storm? A quick check of Atlanta, Raleigh, and Nashville shows NO snow in Dec 2009.

How were my amounts for Feb 9/10, 2010 isolated!? I named you ORD, TOL, and DTW.

Will a map be better?

snow201002101312.png

Actually, this will. The amounts in Chicago & Grand Rapid appear to be from Lake Effect as well as synoptic snow.

The snow depth in central Ohio is probably includes their one (or was it two) 4-6" events they had.

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I could easily zoom into Oklahoma City's CWA and find widespread 10+ amounts (most (if ot all) of which fell in 8 hours or less). It's better to get a regional perspective of it, and the highest average amounts was 7" for the storm well over a 12 hoiur period.

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I think the mindset that some of the people have is that because you are north you should have way more snow than Nashville when in reality it just is not the case. I don't know how much Detroit averages per season but I feel some people feel that they should be outdoing Nashville by a 100". When in reality they average maybe 3' more per year. Which really is quite a bit but not nearly as much as some would like. If a person wants huge snows just go to the Rockies or Sierra Nevada. There is where the really good snows are. I would love to have those types of snows but the unfortunate reality of it all is it just isn't happening. There is always a slight glimmer of hope each fall that I will get huge snows but my expectations are usually way too high. It is disappointing but pretty much expected. Who knows maybe one year it will happen. It just isn't this year even though I have already surpassed my season total of 09-10 by 6" already. So pretty good by most peoples standards.

Detroit averages 44" per year.

Strictly based on climo, 3-4" snowstorms so frequently in the past two seasons is an anomaly in places such as Nashville. Their measely 10" usually comes from the occasional dusting to an 1" (or 2) flurry throughout the winter, like most climos across the south. However, 6-10" storms are quite common in places like Detroit, at least 3 per season. It's pretty unusal for us to go on 2 seasons without seeing one. Even the craptastic winters of the 90s (except maybe 95-96) weren't this bad snowstorm-wise.

Of course I could be rude and say if you want constant/increasing snowcover one can move to International Falls, or better yet Alaska. But I know Detroit's climo supports winters with relatively frequent 6-10" storms and poor snocover while Detroit's climo also supports winters with relatively constant snowcover with only nickel & dime events.

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