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LOL! I just got absolutely pounced on for asking a question about the setup and why even with an ideal track DC could still be rained, as some mets are saying....I got told to go back to the PItts forum...the Philly mets however were cool about it and explained it to me.....I really just can't stand a lot of those DC posters.

I saw that....it was ridiculous....

I think you actually asked for DC, and the person nice enough to answer just happened to add that Pittsburgh likely wouldn't have P-type issues. Then a couple people started jumping in about how you need to ask in the Pittsburgh thread.

Yeah, why would you ask about DC P-type in the Pittsburgh thread? We can barely get our own **** straight :P Phin seems like a decent guy mostly. We've had some rounds in the sports forum, and he probably thought "Steelers" when he saw you.

Overall though....I think there are a lot of people from DC to NYC that simply think you are golden if you see an "L" to your south east in the winter. The problem is, you get CRUSHED by southeast winds....in that part of the country..... if you do not have a strong high pressure to the north. That is a feature that has been there A LOT the past 2 years. But people pay attention more to the storm itself, and forget about that. There is a reason that those areas historically change to rain so much.

What's humorous....in the NYC thread as well.....is met after met is trying to explain that and they just don't get it. They think the low has to come overhead or west for them to have issues.

It goes back to the NAO discussion we were having earlier. That is set up further east which allows the high to retreat faster to the east.

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I saw that....it was ridiculous....

I think you actually asked for DC, and the person nice enough to answer just happened to add that Pittsburgh likely wouldn't have P-type issues. Then a couple people started jumping in about how you need to ask in the Pittsburgh thread.

Yeah, why would you ask about DC P-type in the Pittsburgh thread? We can barely get our own **** straight :P Phin seems like a decent guy mostly. We've had some rounds in the sports forum, and he probably thought "Steelers" when he saw you.

Overall though....I think there are a lot of people from DC to NYC that simply think you are golden if you see an "L" to your south east in the winter. The problem is, you get CRUSHED by southeast winds....in that part of the country..... if you do not have a strong high pressure to the north. That is a feature that has been there A LOT the past 2 years. But people pay attention more to the storm itself, and forget about that. There is a reason that those areas historically change to rain so much.

What's humorous....in the NYC thread as well.....is met after met is trying to explain that and they just don't get it. They think the low has to come overhead or west for them to have issues.

It goes back to the NAO discussion we were having earlier. That is set up further east which allows the high to retreat faster to the east.

At least the NYC/PHILLY thread has mets trying to talk to people...the DC thread, I think they all gave up....

This is why we need the MAIN model threads back, so mets can get on and post overall analysis and explain what is going on and then ban people who scream about low placement....I don't understand it, but even I know that a low off the Delmarva does not automatically equal snow for DC.

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GGEM looks like a good hit. We would probably have P-type issues with it though then change over to snow. I think it is a the extreme Western track right now but it is good to see we are well within the spread to get some snow out of this anyways.

I'm rooting for a track over like maybe right between Harrisburg and Philly.

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GGEM looks like a good hit. We would probably have P-type issues with it though then change over to snow. I think it is a the extreme Western track right now but it is good to see we are well within the spread to get some snow out of this anyways.

That track would likely CRUSH us....although verbatim we have P-type issues for a while, and our central PA friends would probably see a lot of rain.

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That's usually a pretty good track for us although it rarely seems to happen.

That's what I said in the central thread to buckeye...its either a coastal or a cutter...I remember VERY few Miller A's that we actually did well with...96, 93? I'm not even sure if 96 counts though? Miller B's where we get a good OV low our usually where we get our storms.

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So, I want to start a wager poll...

When will Northpitts come in here and call for 18-24 inches of snow?

When will Rants/Karl come in here and say that it looks like it will be east?

I'll go with tonight at 724 for north pitts, and tomorrow at 915am for Karl.arrowheadsmiley.png

Let's not provoke him.

I think someone may be in timeout. I have him on ignore.....not a bad idea for everyone when he comes back

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That's what I said in the central thread to buckeye...its either a coastal or a cutter...I remember VERY few Miller A's that we actually did well with...96, 93? I'm not even sure if 96 counts though? Miller B's where we get a good OV low our usually where we get our storms.

The vast majority of our top 10 to 15 snows were miller A's. The key is to have them "slightly" inland....

( for example in recent years... Jan' 78, Jan '78, April '87' Dec '92, March '93 Jan'94, Jan '96, etc...All Miller A's)

For whatever reason, they have been lacking recently

Miller B's are a good recipe for a dry slot for us.

Our other "recent" prime track is an inland track with strong HP to the north to put the breaks on....then a slow coastal transfer ( Feb'03, Feb'10). But historically, I don't think there are a ton of those. Dec '03 was a similar scenario too.

Let's throw out March '93 because we will never see a storm of that scope again in our lifetimes.

But otherwise, Jan '94 below is our Miller A perfect setup...

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Well folks the time has come for me to leave you for about 36 hrs. But before I begin my transformation into "full Steeler beast mode", I will leave you with this :

As regards next week, I have very little doubt that this storm is coming. In fact, I will go ahead and say right now, that the Pgh metro area will receive no less than 6" of snow accumulation.

I have seen all I need to see in relation to this upcoming snow event, and I will be corresponding with all of you again monday morning. Good day and go Steelers.

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Well folks the time has come for me to leave you for about 36 hrs. But before I begin my transformation into "full Steeler beast mode", I will leave you with this :

As regards next week, I have very little doubt that this storm is coming. In fact, I will go ahead and say right now, that the Pgh metro area will receive no less than 6" of snow accumulation.

I have seen all I need to see in relation to this upcoming snow event, and I will be corresponding with all of you again monday morning. Good day and go Steelers.

Wow, that is a BOLD prediction considering all of the uncertainty with this thing. I thought I was reading a NorthPitt post for a second! :D Just kidding, but why so confident in that sollution? I actually feel a bit pessimistic about this one. It seems like at best it's going to be a near miss. I'm not giving up on it certainly, but that's just how I see it right now. I hope you're right. Either way, it still will be interesting to see how this storm develops, how fast it develops, and where it eventually goes.

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Looks better but are temps a problem?

With SLP tracking there, those 850's should be fine. We are a little harder to warm up with an easterly wind than the coastal areas. Surface temps look borderline to start, but I would think they would cool with that track. The winds should shift NE as the low goes north.

Also, keeping in mind most of the rest of the guidance is east, I'm not too too worried at this point about that.

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