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New England Storm Dicussion - January 11-12


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I think we'd be in the same boat per the NAM we'd change quickly too.

It's the 33-36 hour panels that I question on the NAM and will until probably the 12z in the AM even if the others follow suit tonight.

We have an epic burst of UVV's off NJ at hour 33. At that exact moment the entire trough is instantly energized all the way back through the base of it the vorticity increases at a tremendous rate and we have a center jump effectively (contours aren't closed but it'll be there) by 36 hours as it rides up over Bob's head.

Not saying it isn't plausible, hopefully for a lot of folks including the bottom of my skiis it's supported by the others.

If the NAM is right this will be one fo the most incredible thumps I've ever seen.

the thing is such a bomb the low-levels are basically collapsing beneath it and cooling remarkably fast...but that's offset by a strong push of marine air on screaming ll easterlies. i dont know that 20 miles will have mattered as much for a forecast for this area in a long time. it's a couple ticks from a 34F concrete vs. a 37F R+

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I can say it, but I'm not believing it. I think 9" might be the ceiling. NAM is the juiciest model attm, I think.

I hear ya. I do think 6-12" is a solid call at this point, however. SREFs have pretty much been unchanged over the past several runs and would support that upper end and GFS, GFS ens, and GEM would support the lower given those ratios.

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I learned FOUS from RikC who occasionally posts here....about 12-13 years ago. I find it a valuable quick and dirty tool. eg: If numbers of the group on the far right are 00, BL temps is 0C. If it is 99, bl is -1C. 2nd 2 numbers are H8 and far right 2 are H7 (I think....can't remember). Wind vectors are in second set of numbers. eg: 0134 means 010 vector and 34 kts. Far left numbers...last 3 are qpf in the 6 hour period.

That's all we had when I was in school 25 years ago! Wish we still had that NGM & LFM....nice little models. There should be a header on there with letters like PTT and VV T1, etc. That tells you what the column is.

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You'll have to slip someone $50....

I was stuck in DFW for the 12/03 storm. My daughter was 4 and 1/2.......wife had to hire some guy and he did an awful job.

I'd be lying to you guys if I wasn't pulling for this to suck right up Narragansett Bay. Any chance? Hey, don't throw stones, nothing personal, all business.

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the thing is such a bomb the low-levels are basically collapsing beneath it and cooling remarkably fast...but that's offset by a strong push of marine air on screaming ll easterlies. i dont know that 20 miles will have mattered as much for a forecast for this area in a long time. it's a couple ticks from a 34F concrete vs. a 37F R+

Very true.

This time I guess I have almost flat emotions whenever I see the NAM. I just have absolutely no faith in it with the nod that it could be right this time.

Will wait for the Euro (not literally in the am...because like many systems I think it won't be decided until the home stretch Tuesday.

I'd like to see the RGEM/GFS/EC stick around ACK or east for us....but dont care eitheer way as long as ski country gets buried. Ironically the NAM would fit well with the 8-16" area from earlier, but we take a hit.

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I hear ya. I do think 6-12" is a solid call at this point, however. SREFs have pretty much been unchanged over the past several runs and would support that upper end and GFS, GFS ens, and GEM would support the lower given those ratios.

Yeah, no complaints with 6-12 as a forecast. There is support for the higher end. I'm just a conservative s.o.b. :lol:

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Monday night, pre-storm drinking?

Nice.

I thought you only pre-game drank during thunderstorm forecasts?

:mapstorm:

Well I prefer not to drink actually for the day leading up to an event but since I want to go to sleep early tonight I chose to do so. Will be waking up 5 AM tomorrow and won't be going to bed until late Wednesday night.

First the NAM and now the Bruins....WOW

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