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NE OK/ NW AR/ SE KS/ SW MO Winter 2011


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Looking at NAM extracted data...

Joplin falls to around freezing at 78 and down to 30ish by 84... , NAM spits out 0.10 at 84. There is a big warm layer so I would say it would be freezing rain although it could be sleet.

Tulsa is below freezing at 78 as well, with 0.25ish precip by 84. Warm layer between 750-850 MB. So freezing rain or sleet would probably occur there.

OKC falls below freezing at 78ish as well.. 0.11 precip by 84. It also has a warm layer at 750-800 MB. It's pretty cold though so it may be sleet or snow.

Looking at the extracted weather gives Tulsa Thundersleet! at 81, lol and freezing rain at 84.

And shows OKC with Sleet.

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I think JoMo said it right about the NAM. This is going to be and interesting few days. I am going to do a blog a little later tonight when I get home. I will give all of my latest thoughts then. Hope everyone is having a great Friday night.

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Also remember everyone. The models are never right. You have to look at all of the different layers and say, well if this happened at 850 mb then it would or wouldn't do this at this level. A lot is going with your gut. You guys all seem pretty sharp, I love this thread.

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Also remember everyone. The models are never right. You have to look at all of the different layers and say, well if this happened at 850 mb then it would or wouldn't do this at this level. A lot is going with your gut. You guys all seem pretty sharp, I love this thread.

I'm curious what the NAM would show at 90-96, if it keeps shifting the 850 MB front farther east or holds it stationary and sends the 850 MB low up it.

Also since the NAM did go colder, it makes me curious if it would be colder than what is currently modeled since it's still 4 days out and that's a pretty stout 1056 MB high pushing into Montana at the end of the run.

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Also remember everyone. The models are never right. You have to look at all of the different layers and say, well if this happened at 850 mb then it would or wouldn't do this at this level. A lot is going with your gut. You guys all seem pretty sharp, I love this thread.

And because i cant read models for crap this is why i go with my gut feeling lol....its telling me this could be something major or nothing at all....its confused as much as the models lol. Maybe its all the food i ate tonight who knows! Seriously this does have the potential to really be nasty. Still to far out though. Is this the kinda storm that 30 miles north or south make all the difference again? Probly is what my gut says

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Not cold enough for me.. Maybe 34 and rain instead of 35-37. lol

I'd give it a few more runs for it to catch up. NAM has better thermal resolution so it should capture the cold air better. I'm thinking that big high to the north may allow more low level cold air to slip in than what's currently forecast.

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We're all aware how tricky it gets for the models to depict the timing of arctic air. Something else to watch will be how deep/far this storm is able to throw a warm tounge of air aloft wrapped around the low. Any underestimate of warm air aloft will greatly affect p-types and accums.

This is getting exciting!

Where can I see the GGEM?

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We're all aware how tricky it gets for the models to depict the timing of arctic air. Something else to watch will be how deep/far this storm is able to throw a warm tounge of air aloft wrapped around the low. Any underestimate of warm air aloft will greatly affect p-types and accums.

This is getting exciting!

Where can I see the GGEM?

Black and white ones are out, color ones come out later.

http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/model_forecast/global_e.html

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I call garbage on the GGEM tonite. On to the Euro.

GGEM is garbage because I dont like it lol.

Yeah 20 mins until the Euro starts. Here's to hoping it comes back south.

I'm not sure what happens with the GGEM. You would think that precip over OK would lift NE or E at least.

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A lot of people like to bash the GFS (rightfully so sometimes), but it has been very consistent the past week or so with timing and placement for this system. I believe it started showing the potential in Oklahoma at 220 hours or so! Maybe it'll be the winning model for this one? :thumbsup:

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