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January 14th-16th OV/MW/GL Storm 2 potential


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I wouldn't worry too much as models tend to underdo QPF amounts at this range.

It's easy to see why they've trended drier. It's being depicted as a weaker storm (~1012mb). Models seem to want to split the energy into two weak clippers instead of one stronger one.

Whatever though. It's January 12th and I'm already above normal for the month. :snowman:

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The 06Z NAM run is much more realistic than the uber amped 00Z NAM. It is just so dry with a weak baroclinic zone for strong low level cyclogenesis. Placement, on the other hand, is still up in the air as the models are having issues with the southern wave and how that interacts with that northern stream low amplitude S/W. GFS still farther S, but I don't think that will verify. A weaker solution more inline with the NAM track is more realistic.

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This one bears watching. I could see a nice potential southern stream system phase and run up the eastern Lakes in the next 2-3 days. To far out so will see some wobbles but the general idea is for a low pressure system to develop in southern plains phase and track up the Lakes. Dont let plains system on the onset fool you because intially it will look like nothing but this has potential to blow up.

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The 06Z NAM run is much more realistic than the uber amped 00Z NAM. It is just so dry with a weak baroclinic zone for strong low level cyclogenesis. Placement, on the other hand, is still up in the air as the models are having issues with the southern wave and how that interacts with that northern stream low amplitude S/W. GFS still farther S, but I don't think that will verify. A weaker solution more inline with the NAM track is more realistic.

right but it can ampilfy and blow up.

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GRR:

THE MAIN WEATHER SHOW FOR US STARTS TUESDAY WHEN THE FIRST PART OF

THE JET MAX ASSOCIATED WITH THE EAST ASIAN JET GETS INTO THE CENTRAL

PLAINS. THAT WILL BE AT ABOUT THE SAME TIME THAT ARCTIC STREAM WILL

BE BRINGING THAT DENSE ARCTIC AIR FROM NORTHERN SIBERIA SOUTH INTO

SOUTHERN CANADA VIA AN NORTHERN STREAM JET CORE. THERE IS SOME HINT

OF PHASING AND IF THAT HAPPENS THIS COULD RESULT IN MAJOR WINTER

STORM FOR SOUTHWEST LOWER MICHIGAN. THE DENSE ARCTIC AND AND LAKE

EFFECT WOULD FOLLOW THAT. WE WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR THIS AS IT

COULD BE A MAJOR WINTER STORM FOR THIS AREA. IT MAY BE AN EXTENDED

EVENT TOO WHEN WE FOLD THE LAKE EFFECT INTO IT TOO.

DTX:

CONSIDERABLE UNCERTAINTY EXISTS IN THE LONG TERM FORECAST EARLY NEXT

WEEK AS A VERY STRONG JET ARRIVES FROM THE PACIFIC AND CAUSES THE

UPPER LEVEL TROUGH TO DEEPEN ACROSS THE MID-SECTION OF THE

COUNTRY. MODELS SHOW A LOT OF SPREAD IN HOW MUCH THIS ENERGY WILL

PHASE WITH ENERGY DROPPING SOUTH OUT OF CANADA. GFS ENSEMBLE

MEMBERS DEPICT A LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM TRACKING EAST OF THE

MISSISSIPPI RIVER BUT RANGE IN LATITUDE FROM THE GULF COAST TO

CENTRAL MICHIGAN. FOR NOW WILL JUST CARRY A CHANCE OF SNOW SHOWERS

IN THE FORECAST FOR THE TUESDAY TIME FRAME AND MONITOR PATTERN

EVOLUTION FOR A POTENTIALLY STRONGER SYSTEM DURING THE EARLY PART

OF NEXT WEEK.

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LOT

NEXT THREAT OF SNOW TO COME LATER FRI-FRI NIGHT WITH A PERIOD OF

FAIRLY STRONG WAA AND OVERRUNNING AHEAD OF THE NEXT SHORT WAVE

CURRENTLY OVER NW WA AND SW BC. THIS ONE SHOWING SOME BETTER

LIFT/UVV DUE TO THE STRONGER WAA SO MAY SEE A COUPLE INCHES FORM

THIS ONE...AGAIN BEST BET ACROSS N AND E PORTIONS. DECENT CAA

FOLLOWING THIS SHORT WAVE PASSAGE SO LAKE EFFECT TO INCREASE BUT

NW-WNW LOWER LEVEL FLOW TO KEEP LES ON THE E SIDE OF THE LAKE.

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AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE WILMINGTON OH

430 PM EST THU JAN 13 2011

.SHORT TERM /6 AM FRIDAY MORNING THROUGH SATURDAY NIGHT/...

H5 S/W EXITS THE REGION BY AFTN ON FRIDAY. COULD SEE SOME

LINGERING LIGHT SNOW ACROSS THE N IN THE MORNING.

A STRONGER S/W THEN DROPS OUT OF CENTRAL CANADA INTO THE GREAT

LAKES FRI NGT. SFC LOW FORMS ACROSS LAKE SUPERIOR IN RESPONSE TO

THIS ENERGY. AS CDFNT DROPS SE LATE FRI NGT...SOME LIGHT SNOW WILL

WORK INTO THE NW COUNTIES. WITH THE LOW PASSING ACROSS THE NRN

LAKES...THE BEST LIFT STAYS ACROSS THE LP OF MI ALONG WITH THE

BEST SNOW. LIGHTER SNOWS WILL DEVELOP ACRS THE FA ALONG THE CDFNT

ON SAT. KEPT THE POPS IN THE CHC CATEGORY WITH ALL THE

UNCERTAINTY. ANY SNOWS ACROSS THE SHOULD BE LESS THAN HALF AN

INCH.

AS LOW PULLS E SAT NGT MODELS DIVERGE ON THEIR SOLUTIONS. THE

ECMWF KEEPS A BROAD NW FLOW ACRS THE REGION...WHICH WOULD SUGGEST

SCT SHSN. THE NAM MEANWHILE INCREASES THE CONVERGENCE ALONG THE

CDFNT AND DROPS A BAND OF ACCUMULATING SNOW S THRU THE FA LATE SAT

AFTN INTO SAT NGT. THE GFS HAS SOME LIGHT SNOW ASSOCIATED WITH THE

FNT...BUT NOTHING TO THE EXTENT OF THE NAM. IT IS ALSO WEAKER

WITH THE NW FLOW...SO LINGERING LAKE EFFECT WOULD BE IN QUESTION.

LEANED TOWARDS THE GFS SOLUTION WHICH IS THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD

BETWEEN THE NAM AND ECMWF.

WENT CLOSE TO THE SREF NUMBERS FOR HIGHS TOMORROW. THIS IS CLOSER

TO THE WARMER NAM MOS HIGHS. WITH A SW FLOW AND CLOUD COVER AHEAD

OF THE CDFNT FRI NGT...PREFERRED THE WARMER NAM MOS LOWS. FOR HIGHS

ON SATURDAY...WENT WITH THE ECMWF VALUES.

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LOT up to its usual B.S. butt covering on 10 am update:

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CHICAGO/ROMEOVILLE IL

1026 AM CST FRI JAN 14 2011

DISCUSSION

1003 AM CST

ONCE AGAIN ONLY MINIMAL TWEAKS MADE TO FORECAST DATA SET FOR CURRENT

AND SHORT TERM TRENDS. NEXT SHORT WAVE TROF ADVANCING ESE ACROSS

THE UPPER MIDWEST WITH THE TROF AXIS NE-SW FROM NE TO SW MN AND ON

TO NW IA AT MID MORNING. SHORT WAVE TROF PROGGED TO W CENTRAL

WI...SE MN...NE IA BY 00Z FRI WITH A WEAK SFC LOW FORMING OVER LK

SUPERIOR.

AS THIS DISTURBANCE CROSSES THE LOCAL AREA MODERATELY STRONG LOW

LEVEL WAA FORECAST BUT WILL NEED SEEDING AND MOISTENING FROM MID

AND HI LEVELS TO OVERCOME THE DRY MID LEVELS OBSERVED IN AREA 12Z

RAOBS AND IN FORECAST MOISTURE PROFILES FOR THIS AFTERNOON INTO

EARLY THIS EVE. EXPECT COLUMN TO EVENTUALLY MOISTEN WITH -SN

BREAKING OUT FOR LATER EVENING INTO OVERNIGHT.

WITH EXCEPTION OF MORE GENEROUS 14.00Z GEM RUN...MODEL QPF VALUES

ALL IN THE FEW HUNDREDTHS RANGE AND LOOKS REASONABLE AS DOES

LIKELY MOS POPS ALONG WITH THE LIGHT SNOWFALL AMOUNTS. LOOKS LIKE

ANOTHER DUSTING TO A FEW TENTHS OF AN INCH EVENT.

10 am update:

TONIGHT

OCCASIONAL FLURRIES AND LIGHT SNOW LIKELY. SNOW

ACCUMULATION OF 1 TO 2 INCHES. TEMPERATURES NEARLY STEADY IN THE

LOWER 20S. SOUTHWEST WINDS 10 TO 15 MPH. CHANCE OF MEASURABLE

PRECIPITATION 60 PERCENT.

4am forecast:

TONIGHT...CHANCE OF LIGHT SNOW EARLY IN THE EVENING

THEN LIGHT

SNOW LIKELY IN THE LATE EVENING AND EARLY MORNING. CHANCE OF

LIGHT SNOW DURING THE PREDAWN HOURS. SNOW ACCUMULATION LESS THAN 1

INCH. TEMPERATURES NEARLY STEADY IN THE LOWER 20S. SOUTHWEST WINDS

10 TO 15 MPH. CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION 70 PERCENT

so updated discussion does not match updated forecast yet increased totals....which is it?

This type of stuff really hurts credibility...:yikes:

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LOT up to its usual B.S. butt covering on 10 am update:

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CHICAGO/ROMEOVILLE IL

1026 AM CST FRI JAN 14 2011

DISCUSSION

1003 AM CST

ONCE AGAIN ONLY MINIMAL TWEAKS MADE TO FORECAST DATA SET FOR CURRENT

AND SHORT TERM TRENDS. NEXT SHORT WAVE TROF ADVANCING ESE ACROSS

THE UPPER MIDWEST WITH THE TROF AXIS NE-SW FROM NE TO SW MN AND ON

TO NW IA AT MID MORNING. SHORT WAVE TROF PROGGED TO W CENTRAL

WI...SE MN...NE IA BY 00Z FRI WITH A WEAK SFC LOW FORMING OVER LK

SUPERIOR.

AS THIS DISTURBANCE CROSSES THE LOCAL AREA MODERATELY STRONG LOW

LEVEL WAA FORECAST BUT WILL NEED SEEDING AND MOISTENING FROM MID

AND HI LEVELS TO OVERCOME THE DRY MID LEVELS OBSERVED IN AREA 12Z

RAOBS AND IN FORECAST MOISTURE PROFILES FOR THIS AFTERNOON INTO

EARLY THIS EVE. EXPECT COLUMN TO EVENTUALLY MOISTEN WITH -SN

BREAKING OUT FOR LATER EVENING INTO OVERNIGHT.

WITH EXCEPTION OF MORE GENEROUS 14.00Z GEM RUN...MODEL QPF VALUES

ALL IN THE FEW HUNDREDTHS RANGE AND LOOKS REASONABLE AS DOES

LIKELY MOS POPS ALONG WITH THE LIGHT SNOWFALL AMOUNTS. LOOKS LIKE

ANOTHER DUSTING TO A FEW TENTHS OF AN INCH EVENT.

10 am update:

TONIGHT

OCCASIONAL FLURRIES AND LIGHT SNOW LIKELY. SNOW

ACCUMULATION OF 1 TO 2 INCHES. TEMPERATURES NEARLY STEADY IN THE

LOWER 20S. SOUTHWEST WINDS 10 TO 15 MPH. CHANCE OF MEASURABLE

PRECIPITATION 60 PERCENT.

4am forecast:

TONIGHT...CHANCE OF LIGHT SNOW EARLY IN THE EVENING

THEN LIGHT

SNOW LIKELY IN THE LATE EVENING AND EARLY MORNING. CHANCE OF

LIGHT SNOW DURING THE PREDAWN HOURS. SNOW ACCUMULATION LESS THAN 1

INCH. TEMPERATURES NEARLY STEADY IN THE LOWER 20S. SOUTHWEST WINDS

10 TO 15 MPH. CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION 70 PERCENT

so updated discussion does not match updated forecast yet increased totals....which is it?

This type of stuff really hurts credibility...:yikes:

Ya I dont agree with the 1-3" call. I'd say up to an inch.

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