tombo82685 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Does the Euro show anything different from the Nam or GGEM for tomorrows coastal counties south Jersey event? less qpf....1-.25 for ph....25-.5 extreme s jerz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bass28 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 How about LI Tom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombo82685 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 this thing is coming west...hr 84 sub 1016 low over cape fear, while 12z was about 75 or so miles east...northern stream digging in a good bit more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthlight Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Inland over OBX at 90 hrs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombo82685 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 How about LI Tom? .1-.25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 if its the "storm" than the 960mb slp with 60 MPH winds were also more impressive than the 20"-30" that effected maybe 30 people in rural PA/MD/VA....lets be honest, if its not effecting PEOPLE than who really gives a rats ass? and i know this kills people to hear, if NYC isnt involved it will lower its standing on the scale...all feb 5-7 2010 was a glorified feb 22 1987.... first of all it was 30-40", second you really think that storm did not affect major population centers? Third Feb 22 1987" Really? Did you actually look at both storms before you threw that out or did you just pick 2 storms that happened in Feb and that both missed NYC to the south? Feb 22 had a few isolated 20" ammounts in a VERY narrow zone across southeast PA and central NJ. Feb 5th dropped over 20" of snow for everyone inside a line from ACY to PHL to PIT to Columbus to Elkins to Roanoke to DC to ACY. Inside that was a 50 mile band of 30-38" amounts. The only thing those 2 storms have in common is they missed NYC. The funny thing is several are trying to justify why the Dec 26th storm was bigger, but in reality if the Feb 5th storm was adjusted 75 miles north and NYC got into the 20" snows that Philly got, that storm would be right along with 1996 in the NESIS scale and then you would have no problem with it because it would have hit NYC and somehow that makes it a bigger snowstorm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 .1-.25 NYC? Southern Westchester? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Humidity Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 less qpf....1-.25 for ph....25-.5 extreme s jerz Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombo82685 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 sitting on hse hr 90...sub 1012 low lgt to mod precip delmarva to dc...mod precip ric area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radders Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 It's going to be interesting how the Euro handles the two surface low features that are in play at 90, over the next few frames... This is definitely looking interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthlight Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Just off the coast of OC MD at 96...going to be a hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombo82685 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 hr 96 sub 1008 low about 75 miles east of mouth of ches bay...lgt to mod precip holmdel to quakertown to to state college..mod precip s jerz, delmarva dc, balt, phl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 what does wind have to do with snowfall? This is very subjective but I couldn't care less if I have a light breeze or 80mph winds. Its how much snow that matters to me. Not everyone shares your love of "intensity". If we were ranking storm pressures or "intensity" I would agree but snowfall tends to have to be a significant factor in a ranking designed for SNOWSTORMS. I fully admit I am biased because I have my own criteria and snowfall is much more important then wind or pressure in my mind, but that is just me. I do not like the NESIS because for me it factors in a lot of things that have nothing to do with a snowstorm, like how many people live where it hit and such. I guess my beef is that I would like a ranking system that measures the snowfall not societal factors or "intensity". You should have brought this up in the NESIS thread in the main forum. If you had, you would have seen several posts there where I basically agreed that the scale is imperfect and asked for clarification in how they weigh population coverage vs areal coverage. No one seemed to have an answer so I went on to say that "if areal coverage is important than last year's storm should rank much higher, etc." There was no point to bringing that discussion in here. When I stated I liked storm intensity, I was talking about personal preference, however we can also have a discussion about how extreme winds can massively increase the hardship experienced during a snowstorm (or any storm.) I would also like some uniformity between the scales used to measure hurricanes, tornadoes and winter storms. That is, they should at least take "some" of the same properties into account-- although, obviously with winter storms, total amt of precipitation and areal coverage should be more heavily weighed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthlight Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Huge hit at 102...buries everybody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Dude its so obvious youre biased towards your area.... completely transparent. It's completely asinine for you to start this argument two weeks after the storm happened. You got your snowstorm, we got ours, just move on..... but thankfully for everyone here you are completely objective and neutral about this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthlight Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Inside the benchmark. Looks just like the NOGAPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilly84 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Thanks again, Tombo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uofmiami Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Day 4: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombo82685 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 hr 102 sub 1000 low about 150 miles east of acy...lgt to mod precip all of pa down to dc and balt and delmarva...mod precip phl to hfd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrials Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 If this storm comes out like the nogaps has shown, it must be named the Nogaps Storm. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radders Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Inside the benchmark. Looks just like the NOGAPS. OK.. Where do I sign up for the Euro to lock in? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthlight Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Wow...still hammering the area at 108. SNE buried too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherweather Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 are we talkin precip type issues with the euro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombo82685 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 hr 108 sub 992 low just south of ack...lgt to mod precip phl to edison, nj...mod precip nyc to portland me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radders Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 are we talkin precip issues with the euro? No precip issues for anybody in this area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombo82685 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 are we talkin precip issues with the euro? for southern del and prob acy south yes...north of acy shouldn't be 850 are well offshore and frz line is right on coast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 is thisa "huge hit' or a decent event tombo seems to indicate a strong coastal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 The funny thing is a week ago when this happened I agreed with them (obviously not psu because he is immature and likes to repeatedly pick fights in other people's subforums-- this isnt the first time.) but anyway, in the NESIS thread in the main forum, I agreed that 2/6/10 storm had a much wider area of coverage and said that the scale is too subjective in how it balances areal coverage vs population coverage. But for some reason psu has to repeatedly come in here and throw fits for different unimportant reasons over things he has no control over. Its a no win situation when youre trying to balance various subjective and objective properties of any given storm. Not only that, it's extremely difficult to compare storms when the properties youre using to describe them are based on judgment calls on how to weigh them. You keep saying not my forum but I live closer to Philadelphia then I do DC and this argument is entirely subjective and I stated such up front but for some reason you can not handle when someone has a different opinion about things. More scary then that is that sometimes people here can not handle when FACTS supported by evidence and data does not agree with their misconceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgerb Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 You should have brought this up in the NESIS thread in the main forum. If you had, you would have seen several posts there where I basically agreed that the scale is imperfect and asked for clarification in how they weigh population coverage vs areal coverage. No one seemed to have an answer so I went on to say that "if areal coverage is important than last year's storm should rank much higher, etc." There was no point to bringing that discussion in here. When I stated I liked storm intensity, I was talking about personal preference, however we can also have a discussion about how extreme winds can massively increase the hardship experienced during a snowstorm (or any storm.) I would also like some uniformity between the scales used to measure hurricanes, tornadoes and winter storms. That is, they should at least take "some" of the same properties into account-- although, obviously with winter storms, total amt of precipitation and areal coverage should be more heavily weighed. Last I'll say here (more important topics at hand) is that I wasn't aware of the NESIS thread. I'll check it out and can probably answer some questions about how the scale works. Back to the Euro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snywx Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 OK.. Where do I sign up for the Euro to lock in? LOL Hows it lookin for us up here bro?? Pls give me good news.. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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