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NYC/PHL Potential Jan 11-14 Event Discussion


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if its the "storm" than the 960mb slp with 60 MPH winds were also more impressive than the 20"-30" that effected maybe 30 people in rural PA/MD/VA....lets be honest, if its not effecting PEOPLE than who really gives a rats ass? and i know this kills people to hear, if NYC isnt involved it will lower its standing on the scale...all feb 5-7 2010 was a glorified feb 22 1987....

first of all it was 30-40", second you really think that storm did not affect major population centers? Third Feb 22 1987" Really? Did you actually look at both storms before you threw that out or did you just pick 2 storms that happened in Feb and that both missed NYC to the south? Feb 22 had a few isolated 20" ammounts in a VERY narrow zone across southeast PA and central NJ. Feb 5th dropped over 20" of snow for everyone inside a line from ACY to PHL to PIT to Columbus to Elkins to Roanoke to DC to ACY. Inside that was a 50 mile band of 30-38" amounts. The only thing those 2 storms have in common is they missed NYC. The funny thing is several are trying to justify why the Dec 26th storm was bigger, but in reality if the Feb 5th storm was adjusted 75 miles north and NYC got into the 20" snows that Philly got, that storm would be right along with 1996 in the NESIS scale and then you would have no problem with it because it would have hit NYC and somehow that makes it a bigger snowstorm.

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what does wind have to do with snowfall? This is very subjective but I couldn't care less if I have a light breeze or 80mph winds. Its how much snow that matters to me. Not everyone shares your love of "intensity". If we were ranking storm pressures or "intensity" I would agree but snowfall tends to have to be a significant factor in a ranking designed for SNOWSTORMS. I fully admit I am biased because I have my own criteria and snowfall is much more important then wind or pressure in my mind, but that is just me. I do not like the NESIS because for me it factors in a lot of things that have nothing to do with a snowstorm, like how many people live where it hit and such. I guess my beef is that I would like a ranking system that measures the snowfall not societal factors or "intensity".

You should have brought this up in the NESIS thread in the main forum. If you had, you would have seen several posts there where I basically agreed that the scale is imperfect and asked for clarification in how they weigh population coverage vs areal coverage. No one seemed to have an answer so I went on to say that "if areal coverage is important than last year's storm should rank much higher, etc." There was no point to bringing that discussion in here.

When I stated I liked storm intensity, I was talking about personal preference, however we can also have a discussion about how extreme winds can massively increase the hardship experienced during a snowstorm (or any storm.) I would also like some uniformity between the scales used to measure hurricanes, tornadoes and winter storms. That is, they should at least take "some" of the same properties into account-- although, obviously with winter storms, total amt of precipitation and areal coverage should be more heavily weighed.

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Dude its so obvious youre biased towards your area.... completely transparent.

It's completely asinine for you to start this argument two weeks after the storm happened. You got your snowstorm, we got ours, just move on.....

but thankfully for everyone here you are completely objective and neutral about this

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The funny thing is a week ago when this happened I agreed with them (obviously not psu because he is immature and likes to repeatedly pick fights in other people's subforums-- this isnt the first time.) but anyway, in the NESIS thread in the main forum, I agreed that 2/6/10 storm had a much wider area of coverage and said that the scale is too subjective in how it balances areal coverage vs population coverage. But for some reason psu has to repeatedly come in here and throw fits for different unimportant reasons over things he has no control over.

Its a no win situation when youre trying to balance various subjective and objective properties of any given storm. Not only that, it's extremely difficult to compare storms when the properties youre using to describe them are based on judgment calls on how to weigh them.

You keep saying not my forum but I live closer to Philadelphia then I do DC and this argument is entirely subjective and I stated such up front but for some reason you can not handle when someone has a different opinion about things. More scary then that is that sometimes people here can not handle when FACTS supported by evidence and data does not agree with their misconceptions.

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You should have brought this up in the NESIS thread in the main forum. If you had, you would have seen several posts there where I basically agreed that the scale is imperfect and asked for clarification in how they weigh population coverage vs areal coverage. No one seemed to have an answer so I went on to say that "if areal coverage is important than last year's storm should rank much higher, etc." There was no point to bringing that discussion in here.

When I stated I liked storm intensity, I was talking about personal preference, however we can also have a discussion about how extreme winds can massively increase the hardship experienced during a snowstorm (or any storm.) I would also like some uniformity between the scales used to measure hurricanes, tornadoes and winter storms. That is, they should at least take "some" of the same properties into account-- although, obviously with winter storms, total amt of precipitation and areal coverage should be more heavily weighed.

Last I'll say here (more important topics at hand) is that I wasn't aware of the NESIS thread. I'll check it out and can probably answer some questions about how the scale works.

Back to the Euro :snowman:

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