ericnh Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 gfs and nam seem pretty simular when it comes to .50 qpf amounts at least a little comsistancy. ratios higher so I would say 4-8" in that zone. anyone disagree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Any little CF will probably set off some pretty good localized snows. You won't need great inflow aloft for that. JMHO not going to happen in this depiction. It's a broad weak system. It'll change I'm sure but it is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I think it's effective ~27 km nowadays..not too bad. NAM is 12 km and the ECMWF effective is 15 km. Oh, I thought it 36 - interesting. Eh, maybe not so much though, but I do think the NAM's seeing a some 500mb height falls is telling still - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 okx in there 1046 am discussion noted no updates but recent modeling suggests no warning snow criteria will be met. excuse me the chance for warning snows is lowering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCPSUSuperstorm2010 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 My main concern of the H5 track to the south of the region is the lack of appreciable PNA ridging in this time frame. THe PNA ridging that was present is simply smacked down by another pacific jet energetic disturbance riding through the fast flow. Other than that aspect I think the track is better for S NH and SE ME and NE MA. South Coast of CT, RI and MA will be spared the worst of the snows from the trough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nutmegfriar Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 My main concern of the H5 track to the south of the region is the lack of appreciable PNA ridging in this time frame. THe PNA ridging that was present is simply smacked down by another pacific jet energetic disturbance riding through the fast flow. Other than that aspect I think the track is better for S NH and SE ME and NE MA. South Coast of CT, RI and MA will be spared the worst of the snows from the trough. Spared? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted January 6, 2011 Author Share Posted January 6, 2011 RGEM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 okx in there 1046 am discussion noted no updates but recent modeling suggests no warning snow criteria will be met. Good thought. Here's their entire AFD .SHORT TERM /6 PM THIS EVENING THROUGH SATURDAY/... -- Changed Discussion --WILL NOT BE MAKING UPDATES THIS MORNING...BUT BASED ON LATEST MODEL RUNS...IT CERTAINLY APPEARS THAT THE POTENTIAL FOR WARNING LEVEL SNOW IS LOWERING. WARM AIR ADVECTION AHEAD OF A WAVE MOVING ACROSS THE GREAT LAKES STRENGTHENS A BIT THIS EVENING...SO CLOUDS SHOULD CONTINUE TO THICKEN AND LOWER. FLURRIES ARE POSSIBLE...WITH A STEADIER LIGHT SNOW POSSIBLE WEST OF THE HUDSON RIVER. THIS SYSTEM IS MOISTURE STARVED...THUS LITTLE TO NO ACCUMULATION IS EXPECTED. HIGHER IMPACT AND MORE CHALLENGING SETUP ON FRIDAY...WITH AN ACCUMULATING SNOW EVENT EXPECTED. THE UPPER LOW DIGS INTO THE CENTRAL APPALACHIANS...WITH A SECONDARY SURFACE LOW DEVELOPING OVER THE DELMARVA. MODELS CONSISTENT WITH THE OCEANIC LOW GOING TOO FAR EAST FOR A DIRECT HIT. THEY ALSO REMAIN CONSISTENT IN DEVELOPING A NORLUN INSTABILITY TROUGH...WHERE MOISTURE OFF THE OCEAN IS DRAWN BACK OVER A SLOW MOVING CONVERGENCE BAND. THE HEAVIEST SNOW WILL OCCUR NEAR AND JUST DOWNSTREAM FROM WHERE THIS CONVERGENCE SETS UP...AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT PLACEMENT IS THE MOST DIFFICULT ELEMENT TO PREDICT. AT THIS TIME...THE HIGHEST CONFIDENCE IS IN WIDESPREAD...LIGHT SNOW DEVELOPING FROM WEST TO EAST OVERNIGHT THURSDAY INTO FRIDAY MORNING. HEAVIER SNOWBANDS ARE EXPECTED MID TO LATE AFTERNOON FRIDAY AS LOW LEVEL CONVERGENCE BETWEEN THE TWO TROUGHS BECOMES STRONGER. ACCUMULATIONS FROM THE LIGHT SNOW IS EXPECTED TO BE 2 TO 5 INCHES...WHICH WOULD CONSTITUTE A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY. ADDITIONAL...POTENTIALLY HEAVY SNOW WOULD BRING THOSE AREAS INTO WARNING CRITERIA (6 INCHES OR MORE IN 12 HOURS). DUE TO THE UNCERTAINTY IN PLACEMENT AND SNOW AMOUNT...BUT ENOUGH CONFIDENCE THAT HEAVIER SNOW WILL OCCUR WITHIN THE CWA...A WINTER STORM WATCH HAS BEEN ISSUED. THIS COULD EITHER BE UPGRADED TO A WARNING ONCE IT IS EVIDENT WHERE HEAVIER SNOW WILL FALL...OR CONVERTED INTO AN ADVISORY WHERE LESSER AMOUNTS ARE EXPECTED. IT IS ALSO POSSIBLE THAT THE HEAVIEST SNOW COULD BEGIN MID TO LATE AFTERNOON...AND SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT THE FRIDAY AFTERNOON RUSH. FOR NY/NJ/CT MEDIA...IT MUST BE REITERATED THAT CONFIDENCE IS VERY LOW ON PREDICTING WHERE THE HEAVIEST SNOW WILL OCCUR. PLEASE HIGHLIGHT THIS UNCERTAINTY AND THAT A WATCH MEANS FAVORABLE CONDITIONS EXIST FOR WARNING LEVEL SNOW WITHIN THE WATCH AREA. A SUBTLE SHIFT IN THIS CONVERGENCE ZONE WILL MEAN LARGE DIFFERENCE IN SNOWFALL. FROM A GUIDANCE PERSPECTIVE...(no longer true with the 12z- my addition) THE NAM IS BY FAR THE MOST ROBUST WITH 15-20 INCH SNOWFALL FOR CENTRAL LONG ISLAND...NORTHERN NYC AND LOWER HUDSON VALLEY. ADDING TO THE FORECAST CHALLENGE...THIS MODEL ALSO HAS A SHARP SNOWFALL GRADIENT...WITH 18 INCHES IN THE BRONX...AND 3 ON STATEN ISLAND!! THE GFS AND EC...AND MOST ENSEMBLE MEMBERS POINT TO LESSER AMOUNTS OF SNOW...AND WIDELY VARYING DISTRIBUTIONS. TO ADD YET ANOTHER PIECE...SURFACE LOW PRESSURE MOVES VERY CLOSE TO EASTERN LONG ISLAND...SO IT WOULD NOT BE SURPRISING FOR ENOUGH ABOVE-FREEZING AIR TO FORCE A CHANGEOVER TO RAIN FOR A BIT FRIDAY NIGHT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 RGEM? Supports the NAM with the 48h system over NC. Energy is released way east, no 3rd system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snywx Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Good thought. Here's their entire AFD .SHORT TERM /6 PM THIS EVENING THROUGH SATURDAY/... -- Changed Discussion --WILL NOT BE MAKING UPDATES THIS MORNING...BUT BASED ON LATEST MODEL RUNS...IT CERTAINLY APPEARS THAT THE POTENTIAL FOR WARNING LEVEL SNOW IS LOWERING. WARM AIR ADVECTION AHEAD OF A WAVE MOVING ACROSS THE GREAT LAKES STRENGTHENS A BIT THIS EVENING...SO CLOUDS SHOULD CONTINUE TO THICKEN AND LOWER. FLURRIES ARE POSSIBLE...WITH A STEADIER LIGHT SNOW POSSIBLE WEST OF THE HUDSON RIVER. THIS SYSTEM IS MOISTURE STARVED...THUS LITTLE TO NO ACCUMULATION IS EXPECTED. HIGHER IMPACT AND MORE CHALLENGING SETUP ON FRIDAY...WITH AN ACCUMULATING SNOW EVENT EXPECTED. THE UPPER LOW DIGS INTO THE CENTRAL APPALACHIANS...WITH A SECONDARY SURFACE LOW DEVELOPING OVER THE DELMARVA. MODELS CONSISTENT WITH THE OCEANIC LOW GOING TOO FAR EAST FOR A DIRECT HIT. THEY ALSO REMAIN CONSISTENT IN DEVELOPING A NORLUN INSTABILITY TROUGH...WHERE MOISTURE OFF THE OCEAN IS DRAWN BACK OVER A SLOW MOVING CONVERGENCE BAND. THE HEAVIEST SNOW WILL OCCUR NEAR AND JUST DOWNSTREAM FROM WHERE THIS CONVERGENCE SETS UP...AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT PLACEMENT IS THE MOST DIFFICULT ELEMENT TO PREDICT. AT THIS TIME...THE HIGHEST CONFIDENCE IS IN WIDESPREAD...LIGHT SNOW DEVELOPING FROM WEST TO EAST OVERNIGHT THURSDAY INTO FRIDAY MORNING. HEAVIER SNOWBANDS ARE EXPECTED MID TO LATE AFTERNOON FRIDAY AS LOW LEVEL CONVERGENCE BETWEEN THE TWO TROUGHS BECOMES STRONGER. ACCUMULATIONS FROM THE LIGHT SNOW IS EXPECTED TO BE 2 TO 5 INCHES...WHICH WOULD CONSTITUTE A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY. ADDITIONAL...POTENTIALLY HEAVY SNOW WOULD BRING THOSE AREAS INTO WARNING CRITERIA (6 INCHES OR MORE IN 12 HOURS). DUE TO THE UNCERTAINTY IN PLACEMENT AND SNOW AMOUNT...BUT ENOUGH CONFIDENCE THAT HEAVIER SNOW WILL OCCUR WITHIN THE CWA...A WINTER STORM WATCH HAS BEEN ISSUED. THIS COULD EITHER BE UPGRADED TO A WARNING ONCE IT IS EVIDENT WHERE HEAVIER SNOW WILL FALL...OR CONVERTED INTO AN ADVISORY WHERE LESSER AMOUNTS ARE EXPECTED. IT IS ALSO POSSIBLE THAT THE HEAVIEST SNOW COULD BEGIN MID TO LATE AFTERNOON...AND SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT THE FRIDAY AFTERNOON RUSH. FOR NY/NJ/CT MEDIA...IT MUST BE REITERATED THAT CONFIDENCE IS VERY LOW ON PREDICTING WHERE THE HEAVIEST SNOW WILL OCCUR. PLEASE HIGHLIGHT THIS UNCERTAINTY AND THAT A WATCH MEANS FAVORABLE CONDITIONS EXIST FOR WARNING LEVEL SNOW WITHIN THE WATCH AREA. A SUBTLE SHIFT IN THIS CONVERGENCE ZONE WILL MEAN LARGE DIFFERENCE IN SNOWFALL. FROM A GUIDANCE PERSPECTIVE...(no longer true with the 12z- my addition) THE NAM IS BY FAR THE MOST ROBUST WITH 15-20 INCH SNOWFALL FOR CENTRAL LONG ISLAND...NORTHERN NYC AND LOWER HUDSON VALLEY. ADDING TO THE FORECAST CHALLENGE...THIS MODEL ALSO HAS A SHARP SNOWFALL GRADIENT...WITH 18 INCHES IN THE BRONX...AND 3 ON STATEN ISLAND!! THE GFS AND EC...AND MOST ENSEMBLE MEMBERS POINT TO LESSER AMOUNTS OF SNOW...AND WIDELY VARYING DISTRIBUTIONS. TO ADD YET ANOTHER PIECE...SURFACE LOW PRESSURE MOVES VERY CLOSE TO EASTERN LONG ISLAND...SO IT WOULD NOT BE SURPRISING FOR ENOUGH ABOVE-FREEZING AIR TO FORCE A CHANGEOVER TO RAIN FOR A BIT FRIDAY NIGHT. Thats an old discussion.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 LOL GGEM blows up 3rd system, refreshes the trough and clobbers a thin sliver. Lower res vs higher res. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 JMHO not going to happen in this depiction. It's a broad weak system. It'll change I'm sure but it is what it is. If it's something like e-ne winds vs north winds over some part of ern mas..maybe ne mass into se NH or sw ME, it won't show up well. I've seen it before with these. Could it not happen..sure, but I'd look out for it. Th MM5 showed this too. You have 516-522 thicknesses with good PVA and moist winds coming off 40F waters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 1-3 inch event region wide. more where mesoscale features come into play, as well as terrain enhancement, and north of the 700 low. I welcome it with open arms, better than sunny and 45. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I think my area here is one of the most stable now in terms of expectations. Just about every model has the inverted trough over us for a decent time frame. Some stall it near here and some ultimately lift it to north of us, but they all give us a good .5" or more shot of snow. Crazy that such uncertaintly still exists for parts of E. NE, etc. Good thought. Here's their entire AFD .SHORT TERM /6 PM THIS EVENING THROUGH SATURDAY/... -- Changed Discussion --WILL NOT BE MAKING UPDATES THIS MORNING...BUT BASED ON LATEST MODEL RUNS...IT CERTAINLY APPEARS THAT THE POTENTIAL FOR WARNING LEVEL SNOW IS LOWERING. WARM AIR ADVECTION AHEAD OF A WAVE MOVING ACROSS THE GREAT LAKES STRENGTHENS A BIT THIS EVENING...SO CLOUDS SHOULD CONTINUE TO THICKEN AND LOWER. FLURRIES ARE POSSIBLE...WITH A STEADIER LIGHT SNOW POSSIBLE WEST OF THE HUDSON RIVER. THIS SYSTEM IS MOISTURE STARVED...THUS LITTLE TO NO ACCUMULATION IS EXPECTED. HIGHER IMPACT AND MORE CHALLENGING SETUP ON FRIDAY...WITH AN ACCUMULATING SNOW EVENT EXPECTED. THE UPPER LOW DIGS INTO THE CENTRAL APPALACHIANS...WITH A SECONDARY SURFACE LOW DEVELOPING OVER THE DELMARVA. MODELS CONSISTENT WITH THE OCEANIC LOW GOING TOO FAR EAST FOR A DIRECT HIT. THEY ALSO REMAIN CONSISTENT IN DEVELOPING A NORLUN INSTABILITY TROUGH...WHERE MOISTURE OFF THE OCEAN IS DRAWN BACK OVER A SLOW MOVING CONVERGENCE BAND. THE HEAVIEST SNOW WILL OCCUR NEAR AND JUST DOWNSTREAM FROM WHERE THIS CONVERGENCE SETS UP...AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT PLACEMENT IS THE MOST DIFFICULT ELEMENT TO PREDICT. AT THIS TIME...THE HIGHEST CONFIDENCE IS IN WIDESPREAD...LIGHT SNOW DEVELOPING FROM WEST TO EAST OVERNIGHT THURSDAY INTO FRIDAY MORNING. HEAVIER SNOWBANDS ARE EXPECTED MID TO LATE AFTERNOON FRIDAY AS LOW LEVEL CONVERGENCE BETWEEN THE TWO TROUGHS BECOMES STRONGER. ACCUMULATIONS FROM THE LIGHT SNOW IS EXPECTED TO BE 2 TO 5 INCHES...WHICH WOULD CONSTITUTE A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY. ADDITIONAL...POTENTIALLY HEAVY SNOW WOULD BRING THOSE AREAS INTO WARNING CRITERIA (6 INCHES OR MORE IN 12 HOURS). DUE TO THE UNCERTAINTY IN PLACEMENT AND SNOW AMOUNT...BUT ENOUGH CONFIDENCE THAT HEAVIER SNOW WILL OCCUR WITHIN THE CWA...A WINTER STORM WATCH HAS BEEN ISSUED. THIS COULD EITHER BE UPGRADED TO A WARNING ONCE IT IS EVIDENT WHERE HEAVIER SNOW WILL FALL...OR CONVERTED INTO AN ADVISORY WHERE LESSER AMOUNTS ARE EXPECTED. IT IS ALSO POSSIBLE THAT THE HEAVIEST SNOW COULD BEGIN MID TO LATE AFTERNOON...AND SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT THE FRIDAY AFTERNOON RUSH. FOR NY/NJ/CT MEDIA...IT MUST BE REITERATED THAT CONFIDENCE IS VERY LOW ON PREDICTING WHERE THE HEAVIEST SNOW WILL OCCUR. PLEASE HIGHLIGHT THIS UNCERTAINTY AND THAT A WATCH MEANS FAVORABLE CONDITIONS EXIST FOR WARNING LEVEL SNOW WITHIN THE WATCH AREA. A SUBTLE SHIFT IN THIS CONVERGENCE ZONE WILL MEAN LARGE DIFFERENCE IN SNOWFALL. FROM A GUIDANCE PERSPECTIVE...(no longer true with the 12z- my addition) THE NAM IS BY FAR THE MOST ROBUST WITH 15-20 INCH SNOWFALL FOR CENTRAL LONG ISLAND...NORTHERN NYC AND LOWER HUDSON VALLEY. ADDING TO THE FORECAST CHALLENGE...THIS MODEL ALSO HAS A SHARP SNOWFALL GRADIENT...WITH 18 INCHES IN THE BRONX...AND 3 ON STATEN ISLAND!! THE GFS AND EC...AND MOST ENSEMBLE MEMBERS POINT TO LESSER AMOUNTS OF SNOW...AND WIDELY VARYING DISTRIBUTIONS. TO ADD YET ANOTHER PIECE...SURFACE LOW PRESSURE MOVES VERY CLOSE TO EASTERN LONG ISLAND...SO IT WOULD NOT BE SURPRISING FOR ENOUGH ABOVE-FREEZING AIR TO FORCE A CHANGEOVER TO RAIN FOR A BIT FRIDAY NIGHT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 It might not work totally, with this setup. There are a lot of mesoscale things going on in the lower levels, but you can see how it works, when looking at the GFS. The GFS loves Maine. The SUNY has mesobands galore on its current run. I still think it's out of its time range, but it gives creedence that we have a lot of mesoscale features on the table at the surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snywx Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 okx in there 1046 am discussion noted no updates but recent modeling suggests no warning snow criteria will be met. excuse me the chance for warning snows is lowering. Most of Orange county & Rockland will probably meet low end warning snows.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 If it's something like e-ne winds vs north winds over some part of ern mas..maybe ne mass into se NH or sw ME, it won't show up well. I've seen it before with these. Could it not happen..sure, but I'd look out for it. Th MM5 showed this too. You have 516-522 thicknesses with good PVA and moist winds coming off 40F waters. And if that inv trough sets up there..it will enhance it more. I'm just referring to small scale processes that may occur before any trough arrival. I still like that area up through se NH and Parts of SW ME...I could extend this to Dendrite and MaineJayhawk too, later on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Most of Orange county & Rockland will probably meet low end warning snows.. I hope you do! Good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 The SUNY has mesobands galore on its current run. I still think it's out of its time range, but it gives creedence that we have a lot of mesoscale features on the table at the surface. That's pretty cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpickett79 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 lots still to be sorted out. seems like catskills east slopes and SW CT as well as just N of NYC over to C. LI is primed for alot of fluff perhaps 12 inches (consider ratios) it also looks like SW Maine will get in on the action later saturday.....with alot of fluff there as well.....i think the rest of the area will be 1-2 inches....with 3 or 4 along any small CF that sets up in E coastal Mass . the caveat being this stuff can not be predicted well. time to make a couple grilled cheese ....a few chips ...big tall glass of milk and decide wether to go to wa wa or stay on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snywx Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I think my area here is one of the most stable now in terms of expectations. Just about every model has the inverted trough over us for a decent time frame. Some stall it near here and some ultimately lift it to north of us, but they all give us a good .5" or more shot of snow. Crazy that such uncertaintly still exists for parts of E. NE, etc. I think its safe to say that areas between us are gonna get smoked.. Slide Mtn will once again come in with some ridiculous amounts.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Having this helps out with more synoptic stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I think my area here is one of the most stable now in terms of expectations. Just about every model has the inverted trough over us for a decent time frame. Some stall it near here and some ultimately lift it to north of us, but they all give us a good .5" or more shot of snow. Crazy that such uncertaintly still exists for parts of E. NE, etc. Agree--congrats!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I'm going to the court houses in Kingston, Poughkeepsie and maybe Carmel tomorrow. I don't mind a snowy drive Most of Orange county & Rockland will probably meet low end warning snows.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 The SUNY has mesobands galore on its current run. I still think it's out of its time range, but it gives creedence that we have a lot of mesoscale features on the table at the surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropopause_Fold Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 And if that inv trough sets up there..it will enhance it more. I'm just referring to small scale processes that may occur before any trough arrival. I still like that area up through se NH and Parts of SW ME...I could extend this to Dendrite and MaineJayhawk too, later on. Yeah no real change in thinking thus far. Some lucky sob will be happy I'm guessing come sun am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 MM5 is going to swing the developing moisture just a little east of here and probably ram it up into Maine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Interesting runs this morning. MM5/UK/CMC in camp 1 and NAM and to a lesser extent GFS in another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I'm going to the court houses in Kingston, Poughkeepsie and maybe Carmel tomorrow. I don't mind a snowy drive Just watch out for that stretch of 84 between the Taconic and exit 18 where you'll be getting off. Dramatic jump in elevation and when you get to the top it's generally open to the N/NW and the wind whips around pretty good. The hill just east of the Tac is steep enough that the cars with marginal tires and drivers with marginal skills make a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Interesting runs this morning. MM5/UK/CMC in camp 1 and NAM and to a lesser extent GFS in another. GFS and UK are similar, they both try to nail us with the 3rd system IMO. That's the great white hope....this run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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