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The Jan 9-11 Storm


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That shows a pretty serious ice storm stretching from just south of AGS up to north of ILM. There's a thin area of 15MM(.59") with a wider area of 10MM(.39")

New load of firewood..check...plastic sheeting to block the rest of the house off...check...propane for the camping grill...check :guitar: That would be some nasty stuff, and while I don't mind an ice storm I'm hoping for more IP/SN than ZR..but I'll take whatever old man winter gives us :popcorn:

CAE...

.LONG TERM /SATURDAY THROUGH TUESDAY/...

-- Changed Discussion --THE LONG TERM PERIOD STARTS OFF DRY...THEN MOISTURE WILL BEGIN TO

INCREASE ON SUNDAY AHEAD OF THE NEXT SYSTEM. CONFIDENCE IN THE

LONG TERM BEYOND SUNDAY REMAINS ON THE LOW SIDE DUE TO MODEL

UNCERTAINTY IN TIMING AND TRACK OF SYSTEMS ON BOTH SUNDAY AND

TUESDAY. AT THIS TIME THERE REMAINS A SLIGHT CHANCE OF SEEING SOME

PRECIP DURING THE DAY ON SUNDAY...LASTING INTO MONDAY. WITH

OVERNIGHT LOWS MONDAY MORNING AT OR BELOW FREEZING ACROSS PORTIONS

OF THE AREA...THERE COULD BE SOME FREEZING RAIN WITH THE PRECIP

BEFORE IT CHANGES OVER TO ALL RAIN FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE DAY MONDAY.

PRECIP CHANCES REMAIN ON THE LOW SIDE WITH THIS SUNDAY NIGHT

SYSTEM. EVEN MORE UNCERTAINTY IN REGARDS TO THE MONDAY NIGHT INTO

TUESDAY SYSTEM. MODELS CONTINUE TO HAVE DIFFICULTY PINNING DOWN A

DEFINED TRACK. ALSO UNCERTAINTY AS TO AMOUNT OF COLD AIR IN PLACE. DUE

TO ALL THIS UNCERTAINTY...WILL HOLD OFF ON ANY KIND OF SIGNIFICANT

WINTER PRECIP WORDING. WILL HOWEVER INCLUDE MENTION OF A RAIN/SNOW

MIXTURE ACROSS THE NORTHERN AND WESTERN PORTIONS OF THE CWA LATE

MONDAY NIGHT INTO TUESDAY MORNING. WILL BE ABLE TO PIN THINGS DOWN

A LITTLE BETTER IN THE DAYS AHEAD.-- End Changed Discussion --

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Yes, this GFS sucks- bad bad ice event here if it verifies. Could be snow or sleet at first if there is evap cooling though. Hope the Euro holds serve, I do NOT want a big ice storm.

Does the GFS just show ice for CAD favored areas of NE GA and the Carolinas or doe sit show ice all the way to Atlanta and Alabama ?

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wow the gfs would be quite the sleet storm for parts of north al, ga and sc. The above ground warm layer is just barely above freezing (1c or less) with a significant subfreezing boundary layer..temps in the upper 20s. Dsaur is going to bounce off the walls with this run lol

It should be noted though that if precip is heavy enough soundings suggest it probably would switch to all snow. Either way a big winter hit for many.

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Per the 18z GSP looks like the big winner on snow is GSP and the foothills of NC. Everything south of a line from about Shelby to CLT NC is ZR into CAE to ATL...RDU goes to ZR at around 123 hours.

Soundings seem to support SN here:

Date: 5 day AVN valid 18Z MON 10 JAN 11
Station: 35.31,-81.23
Latitude:   35.31
Longitude: -81.23
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LEV PRES  HGHT  TEMP  DEWP  RH  DD   WETB DIR SPD THETA THE-V THE-W THE-E   W
    mb     m     C     C    %   C     C  deg knt   K     K     K     K    g/kg
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 0 1000   174                                                                 
SFC  990   254  -1.4  -2.5  92  1.1  -1.9  37  13 272.5 273.0 271.8 281.2  3.20
 2  950   581  -4.5  -4.8  98  0.3  -4.6  43  22 272.6 273.1 271.4 280.3  2.82
 3  900  1007  -2.9  -3.2  98  0.3  -3.1  76  25 278.5 279.0 275.5 287.8  3.34
 4  850  1464   0.7   0.5  98  0.2   0.5 123  23 286.9 287.7 281.4 300.1  4.65
 5  800  1951   0.4   0.2  98  0.2   0.3 158  25 291.6 292.5 283.7 305.7  4.85
 6  750  2468  -1.4  -1.5  99  0.2  -1.4 178  27 295.1 295.9 284.8 308.5  4.56
 7  700  3015  -4.3  -4.7  97  0.4  -4.5 185  27 297.7 298.4 285.0 309.3  3.84
 8  650  3595  -7.7 -11.2  76  3.5  -8.9 210  28 300.2 300.7 284.5 307.9  2.49
 9  600  4217  -8.3 -23.8  27 15.5 -12.3 224  41 306.5 306.7 285.2 309.6  0.93
10  550  4887 -12.1 -32.7  16 20.5 -16.1 229  46 309.7 309.8 285.8 311.2  0.45
11  500  5608 -17.7 -30.7  31 13.0 -20.1 232  50 311.5 311.6 286.6 313.5  0.59
12  450  6386 -24.0 -27.8  71  3.8 -24.7 232  56 313.1 313.2 287.4 316.0  0.86
13  400  7234 -31.0 -32.0  90  1.1 -31.1 232  63 314.8 314.9 287.8 317.0  0.65
14  350  8166 -38.4 -41.9  70  3.4 -38.7 234  70 316.9 317.0 288.1 317.9  0.28
15  300  9209 -45.0 -52.0  45  7.0 -45.3 238  86 321.9 322.0 289.5 322.3  0.10
16  250 10406 -51.9 -59.1  42  7.2 -52.1 243  99 328.9 328.9 291.5 329.1  0.05
17  200 11835 -56.7 -65.5  32  8.8 -56.9 247 100 343.0 343.0 295.1 343.1  0.03
18  150 13657 -57.8 -70.9  17 13.1 -58.0 250  92 370.4 370.4 300.7 370.5  0.02
19  100 16160 -65.5 -79.9  12 14.4 -65.6 257  68 401.2 401.2 305.4 401.3  0.01
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it's way too close for comfort though

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The 12Z WED GFS MeteoStar output has SAV (airport) at 30-32 F from midnight to noon Mon. 1/10 with mainly NNE winds, i.e., winds not off of the warmer ocean. During that time, there is ~0.60" of qpf. and 850's start from +1 to +2 C and rise to ~+4 C. Those 850's are consistent with IP that turns to ZR assuming decent wedging/low level cold/dry and little to no marine influence. So, this gfs run is literally saying the area just west of the city would have a significant IP/ZR event with the city also at risk since it is only 5-10 miles SE of there. I don't ever recall seeing model output like this there since I started following models during the 1990's. So, it has my attention fwiw. The thing that makes me doubtful is that there usually is a parent high centered in/near the NE US in situations like this to feed abundant cold/dry air at the lowest levels on NE to NNE winds. However, actual IP/ZR storms in this area have been quite rare. Therefore, there's not much climo to consider as far as position of the parent high.

By the way, the greatest snowstorm in SAV recorded history occurred on 1/9-11/1800.

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Yes, this GFS sucks- bad bad ice event here if it verifies. Could be snow or sleet at first if there is evap cooling though. Hope the Euro holds serve, I do NOT want a big ice storm.

Taken a closer look at the soundings, atlanta does look like freezing rain as the warm layer is warmer. Athens looks like a solid sleet sounding and all snow in gainesville. Taken literally, the freezing rain areas are likely to be somewhere along i-20. north to atlanta and just south of athens. Ouch.

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Per the 18z GSP looks like the big winner on snow is GSP and the foothills of NC. Everything south of a line from about Shelby to CLT NC is ZR into CAE to ATL...RDU goes to ZR at around 123 hours.

Checking columbia's soundings show a rather cold boundary layer. Very well could be sleet there rather than freezing rain after starting as snow.

btw folks, please do NOT post the large images from ncep

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wow the gfs would be quite the sleet storm for parts of north al, ga and sc. The above ground warm layer is just barely above freezing (1c or less) with a significant subfreezing boundary layer..temps in the upper 20s. Dsaur is going to bounce off the walls with this run lol

It should be noted though that if precip is heavy enough soundings suggest it probably would switch to all snow. Either way a big winter hit for many.

Lol, only when I hear the roar. Seriously, this thing is far from decided, but the constant to me is the amount of precip. I think whatever falls there will be a lot of it and over a number of days. Remember..you wanted all my zrain... but I'm leaning more toward sleet/snow at this point, though I don't think the next few days are sorted out good yet either. With colder air filtering in and bits of energy in the stream, a surprise before Sun might occur.

I saw a mention of the SnoJam episode, but that one had rock hard frozen ground way ahead of it, and I don't see any super hard freeze before Sun. do you? T

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Per the 18z GSP looks like the big winner on snow is GSP and the foothills of NC. Everything south of a line from about Shelby to CLT NC is ZR into CAE to ATL...RDU goes to ZR at around 123 hours.

Red flag imo that this model is having some continuity issues when looking at the differences between 200-500mb panels, compared to previous runs. ZR at RDU does not support a Miller A, climo speaking. The differences at 200mb compared to the 12z run are significant, and until we start to see some run-to-run continuity, I would pick the ens mean verifying over the op at this stage. :popcorn:

snippet from RAH's afternoon disco :unsure:

P-TYPE DISTRIBUTION WITH A MILLER `A` IS TYPICALLY RAIN VS SNOW WITH ONLY A NARROW CORRIDOR OF TRANSITION P-TYPE... THE MILLER TYPE A SCENARIO COULD PRODUCE A SIGNIFICANT PRECIP EVENT IN THE MONDAY THROUGH TUESDAY TIME FRAME.
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Well this is certainly interesting to say the least. It looks, right now, like a lot of us may see winter wx...I like that the chances are into central ga in case it moves north. Of course, tts would put the ice farther north. Last huge sleet storm in Athens was 4" in 1979. While that was happening far north and ne ga got a lot of snow. I am still cautious and dubious of these snowfall amounts (heck 3-4" and i get ecstatic). This huge numbers rarely verify. But even half of what is being shown would be an awesome storm

Ax for speed, i realize the models are showing a slower moving storm, however I cant really remember that many around here so i would not be surprised to see it speed up a bit. Could still be a doozy of a storm. And if the really cold air comes on in we could have it on the ground for quite a while. Many times after it snows or ices it warms up fairly quickly (last year being an exception)

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