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NYC/PHL January 7-9 Potential Part Deux


NickD2011

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The biggest problem for me personally is the SREF not agreeing with the NAM...they are mesoscale models too. As I replied to Yehuda, I do not envy the forecast there...it seems like there is high bust potential. Its actually not an easy forecast up here either, but I think the lower Hudson Valley forecast is harder in this setup. There is almost certainly going to be an inverted trough initially there, but the question is how quickly it shifts to the northeast.

There is definitely a lot of uncertainty. I'm pretty sure that will be a lot less in about 12 hours.

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He is definitely ballsy, especially with the 16" mention. Perhaps in the Tug Hill region with lake effect on the back end, otherwise that is a huge 12-16" blob.

ballsy is good, hint hint, but yea, its got NAM writen all over it.

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Unless, there is a coup by the NAM, its hard to go with a forecast other than 1" - 3" or 2" - 4" for the NYC area and its environs.

Some people actually use more than just models to make a forecast, such as past experience and tendencies with these events. Just saying...

These events have in the past and will most likely Friday give someone a warning criteria snow, just a matter of where the narrow band establishes itself.

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Some people actually use more than just models to make a forecast, such as past experience and tendencies with these events. Just saying...

These events have in the past and will most likely Friday give someone a warning criteria snow, just a matter of where the narrow band establishes itself.

Well lets look at that. At best for the immediate area this is a ten hour snowfall. Ratios will be at 10-to-1. There has to be a period of one to one and a half inches of snowfall per hour. The lower atmosphere better be unstable for that to allow for a convective period of snowfall.

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Yep - NAM not nearly as good. If I had to guess I would go with DT's axis right now where the heaviest precip will be though I don't think 12" plus amounts will be very widespread at all. I think the models and climo support this solution (maybe a smidge further north). This is gonna be a fun event and I dont think anybody can get mad if they are not in the 30-60 mile swath of heaviest snows.

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Looks to me like the NAM and SREFs are coming into better agreement. Sure the 6z NAM is drier by almost half but placement of the heaviest axis is about the same and agrees with the SREFs from 3z very well. I beleive the 0z RGEM also agreed in general with this location and general qpf ideas. I also believe the ARW and NMM along with SUNY MM5 also are in the same general boat with just minor placement differences. Globals on the other hand are a bit more NE with the feature. ATT I would favor the higher res regional models to global. So it seems far NNJ (NE & NW) into extreme NE PA and much of SE NY into SW CT and LI (including NYC area) may very well be in this band or near it. I like the idea of 2-5" area wide with those areas that end up within the ~40 mile wide trough axis seeing 6"+ with local 12" (or perhaps more) in favored higher terrian in SE NY especially the Catskills.

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Looks to me like the NAM and SREFs are coming into better agreement. Sure the 6z NAM is drier by almost half but placement of the heaviest axis is about the same and agrees with the SREFs from 3z very well. I beleive the 0z RGEM also agreed in general with this location and general qpf ideas. I also believe the ARW and NMM along with SUNY MM5 also are in the same general boat with just minor placement differences. Globals on the other hand are a bit more NE with the feature. ATT I would favor the higher res regional models to global. So it seems far NNJ (NE & NW) into extreme NE PA and much of SE NY into SW CT and LI (including NYC area) may very well be in this band or near it. I like the idea of 2-5" area wide with those areas that end up within the ~40 mile wide trough axis seeing 6"+ with local 12" (or perhaps more) in favored higher terrian in SE NY especially the Catskills.

Yeah - it looks like someone in the Catskills is going to be the big winner here.....I'm going to go with New Paltz.

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Yeah - it looks like someone in the Catskills is going to be the big winner here.....I'm going to go with New Paltz.

To be honest this has the look to it where most areas (outside the best band) get 2-5", 6-8" inside the band, and the jackpot amounts it the favored Catskill areas get 15"+. I really would not be suprised come Saturday morning if a few reports of 15-20" came out of the Catskills region.

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New Paltz is outside the mountains, though, at a much lower elevation. I'd think areas like Minnewaska State Park would get a lot from this, however, with the 'Gunks getting up to like 2000' ASL.

Shawangunk Ridge will probably jackpot from this storm especially around Cragsmoor/Ellenville area where elevations jolt up to 2200'..

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Shawangunk Ridge will probably jackpot from this storm especially around Cragsmoor/Ellenville area where elevations jolt up to 2200'..

Strongly agree...there's a steep snowfall gradient between the Wallkill Valley and the Shawangunk Ridge. I remember driving up there numerous times in 07-08 and being amazed at the snowpack despite the meager amounts falling in the Hudson Valley that year, especially down towards my house. I think Ellenville and into the Gunks could see up to 12" in this set-up although I wouldn't count on any widespread amounts over 8". The possibly long duration of the event should allow for upslope to be a factor if we get many hours of lighter precipitation from the arctic front on either side of the more intense Norlun banding.

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