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Jan 11-12 Model/Forecasting Discussion


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I hear what you are saying and if you look at my posts i am not a big worrier nor do i expect alot of snow. In fact from this storm i always thought 2-4" inches was the most likely just from reading all the discussions and taking into acount the seasonal trends. It is still fun to follow every run and see the synoptic changes and QPF differences, like i have said in the past tracking the storms is half the fun to me. If that bothers you i am sorry and what would you like me to do to change short of stopping posting totally?.

I'm not telling you to stop posting... I would like you to make more productive/contributing posts and less weenie posts, though.

And don't think I'm just picking on you... the stuff I have told you is reverberated to the entire weenie community.

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FWIW, the HiRes Window (WRF, both ARW and especially NMM) models have a more significant high bias for moderate to high threshold amounts (anything over .5 in/24 hours) and are much less skillful than either the NAM or GFS in the short range.

Here is 24 hour verification for December over east conus....red/blue are the hires wrf where green and purple are nam and gfs.

hiresw_east.201012.gif

Thanks, that was my perception from looking at it while I was still at HPC.

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here's the bad news folks

the CFS fairly accurately depicted the temp profile of DEC and it looked like what it now shows for JAN

now take a look at the FEB temp anomaly map

very close to JAN

I'm thinking breaking this pattern this winter will be tough if not impossible

good news is we don't recessarily need the pattern to bread down as we head further into Feb. The natural progression of the pattern as wavelengths beging to shorten could mix things up in our favor. We need the southern branch to be able to lift north some or the northern branch to dig more. Either is more possible as the season advances. Given the state of the Pacific I really doubt many would like any "new" pattern that would set up if the blocking regiemn totally breaks down in the atlantic. It might be nice from a warm weather perspective but would probably not be great for snow chances. I think we have to keep the cold and hope for a slight change in the location of amplifcation of storms. Remember last winter the pattern did not really change into Feb but NYC started to get into the action as the pattern naturally progressed things further north into later Feb.

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Maybe people like the idea of getting some info without having to put up with negativity. Seems like there are obvious jealousies going on in this forum with the other regions. And don't get me started with the hate some show towards Accuwx.

ok useless might be too strong.. i know many enjoy it. i just dont get how he has been so elevated simply for reading the outputs of maps. some from that region have suggested things like a tombo only model thread which is pretty silly imo.

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I'm not telling you to stop posting... I would like you to make more productive/contributing posts and less weenie posts, though.

And don't think I'm just picking on you... the stuff I have told you is reverberated to the entire weenie community.

It is hard to make productive/contributing posts when a large majority know much more than me. But i will try to and if i get out of line just spank me :yikes: .

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Maybe people like the idea of getting some info without having to put up with negativity. Seems like there are obvious jealousies going on in this forum with the other regions. And don't get me started with the hate some show towards Accuwx.

i think most of the euro talk specifically is just saying where it is.. perhaps comparing to previous runs, sometimes thre might be negativity there. jealous? meh.. it's just snow. we've heard enough of your accuwx thoughts im sure... they do have a forum you know if this one is too much for you to deal with.

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sorry..this is the map i saw and it looked so famililar

CONUS_JMA_SFC_ACCUM-PRECIP_96HR.gif

it does, but that was a total for 3 days and not just the storm (plus the scale on the qpf accentuates our dilemma)

sorry bud, ain't our winter

maybe if we just start posting "its a MA winter" it will start to become one :arrowhead:

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It is hard to make productive/contributing posts when a large majority know much more than me. But i will try to and if i get out of line just spank me :yikes: .

Now you're just making me feel bad :( lol

One thing I like to ask myself before making a post (usually) is "Will others want to read this post?" That question has probably stopped me from adding about another 100+ posts to AmWx alone.

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it does, but that was a total for 3 days and not just the storm (plus the scale on the qpf accentuates our dilemma)

sorry bud, ain't our winter

maybe if we just start posting "its a MA winter" it will start to become one :arrowhead:

Mitch look at JMA on accuweather at 168...it looks like a mass of snow is heading towads us....then look at 192.

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Staying with the Winter Storm Watch for now:

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BALTIMORE MD/WASHINGTON DC

200 PM EST MON JAN 10 2011

MDZ005>007-010-011-013-014-110300-

/O.EXT.KLWX.WS.A.0001.110111T2100Z-110112T1100Z/

CARROLL-NORTHERN BALTIMORE-HARFORD-HOWARD-SOUTHERN BALTIMORE-

PRINCE GEORGES-ANNE ARUNDEL-

INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...WESTMINSTER...COLUMBIA...BALTIMORE...

ANNAPOLIS

200 PM EST MON JAN 10 2011

...WINTER STORM WATCH NOW IN EFFECT FROM TUESDAY AFTERNOON

THROUGH LATE TUESDAY NIGHT...

THE WINTER STORM WATCH IS NOW IN EFFECT FROM TUESDAY AFTERNOON

THROUGH LATE TUESDAY NIGHT.

* PRECIPITATION TYPE...SNOW.

* ACCUMULATIONS...POTENTIAL FOR 5 OR MORE INCHES OF SNOW.

* TIMING...SNOW IS EXPECTED TO DEVELOP DURING THE LATE AFTERNOON

OR EARLY EVENING ON TUESDAY...AND CONTINUE THROUGH TUESDAY

NIGHT.

* TEMPERATURES...HIGHS IN THE LOWER 30S TUESDAY. LOWS IN THE MID

20S TUESDAY NIGHT.

* WINDS...NORTHEAST 5 TO 10 MPH TUESDAY...BECOMING NORTHWEST 10

TO 15 MPH TUESDAY NIGHT.

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Now you're just making me feel bad :( lol

One thing I like to ask myself before making a post (usually) is "Will others want to read this post?" That question has probably stopped me from adding about another 100+ posts to AmWx alone.

Well since i do not have the weather knowledge when we are in between runs i try to lighten up the mood with some humor around here, especially with the brutal winter we are going through so far. If i asked myself first would anyone want to read my post if it is about weather i would probably have 0 posts :whistle: , but like i said i try to interject some humor. I still love you and i do not mind a stern talking to once in a while to keep me in line :thumbsup: .

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Maybe people like the idea of getting some info without having to put up with negativity. Seems like there are obvious jealousies going on in this forum with the other regions. And don't get me started with the hate some show towards Accuwx.

You could always just stay in those other regional forums if this one is off putting to you?

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Well since i do not have the weather knowledge when we are in between runs i try to lighten up the mood with some humor around here, especially with the brutal winter we are going through so far. If i asked myself first would anyone want to read my post if it is about weather i would probably have 0 posts :whistle: , but like i said i try to interject some humor. I still love you and i do not mind a stern talking to once in a while to keep me in line :thumbsup: .

Another relationship saved!!!! :hug:

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Staying with the Winter Storm Watch for now:

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BALTIMORE MD/WASHINGTON DC

200 PM EST MON JAN 10 2011

MDZ005>007-010-011-013-014-110300-

/O.EXT.KLWX.WS.A.0001.110111T2100Z-110112T1100Z/

CARROLL-NORTHERN BALTIMORE-HARFORD-HOWARD-SOUTHERN BALTIMORE-

PRINCE GEORGES-ANNE ARUNDEL-

INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...WESTMINSTER...COLUMBIA...BALTIMORE...

ANNAPOLIS

200 PM EST MON JAN 10 2011

...WINTER STORM WATCH NOW IN EFFECT FROM TUESDAY AFTERNOON

THROUGH LATE TUESDAY NIGHT...

THE WINTER STORM WATCH IS NOW IN EFFECT FROM TUESDAY AFTERNOON

THROUGH LATE TUESDAY NIGHT.

* PRECIPITATION TYPE...SNOW.

* ACCUMULATIONS...POTENTIAL FOR 5 OR MORE INCHES OF SNOW.

* TIMING...SNOW IS EXPECTED TO DEVELOP DURING THE LATE AFTERNOON

OR EARLY EVENING ON TUESDAY...AND CONTINUE THROUGH TUESDAY

NIGHT.

* TEMPERATURES...HIGHS IN THE LOWER 30S TUESDAY. LOWS IN THE MID

20S TUESDAY NIGHT.

* WINDS...NORTHEAST 5 TO 10 MPH TUESDAY...BECOMING NORTHWEST 10

TO 15 MPH TUESDAY NIGHT.

Yeah, they wont change that until later tonight..

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I'll glady take this for 500 please Alex

final call

storm is striped of moisture 850 0c line comes blowing west probably ends up in louisa some where (climo) ric gets snow at sad rates but beacuse the ground is cold, and initial ratios it will stick from the get go if the ground was warmer this would be a several hours of light snow that woud never stick, and then we ges pingers with rain maybe a brief burst on the back end.

things that are killing us are the surface low in the ohio valley, and the 850 low way out west, late phase job. i can't believe the hook job this storm is about to do with all the snow down south and then up north and va in the screw zone from what looked so good in the long and medium range

but as every storm some one will get a surprise and others will get the shaft

but hey most are above avg for the year can't complain for ric.especially since most thought this would be a torch winter ----BUST

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