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NYC/PHL January 7-9 Potential Part I


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Not sure if this was posted but its pretty interesting.......throws out a reference to a track left of Feb. 78....does anybody have a map of storm totals from that?

EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION

NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD

229 PM EST MON JAN 03 2011

VALID 12Z THU JAN 06 2011 - 12Z MON JAN 10 2011

...FINAL MEDIUM RANGE DISCUSSION...

THE MAIN ALTERATION TO THE UPDATED PRELIM PROGS WAS TO ADJUST A

POSSIBLE MAJOR STORM SWWD ALONG THE NRN MID ATLANTIC COAST IN THE

DAY 4-6 FRI-SUN TIME FRAME. 12Z/03 MODEL CONSENSUS LACKS GOOD

AGREEMENT IN ITS DEVELOPMENT...THOUGH THE 12Z GFS/UKMET ARE STILL

QUITE INTENSE WITH THE DEPTH OF THE SYS. THE MANUAL FINAL SURFACE

PROGS BACKED OFF A BIT FROM THE DEPTH THEY SHOWED IN THE UPDATED

PRELIM. WE WERE INFLUENCED IN THIS REGARD BY THE ECMWF PLAYING UP

A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IMPULSE MOVING THRU THE BROAD CYCLONIC

VORTEX CENTERED OVER NRN PA/SRN NY STATE NEXT WEEKEND.

MORE ON 12Z MODELS: THE LATEST GFS/UKMET/CANADIAN MODELS REMAIN

CLUSTERED TO THE N OF LATITUDE 40 DEGREES WITH CLOSED CYCLONIC

ENERGY DROPPING SE FROM S CENTRAL CANADA THEN TURNING EWD ACROSS

THE ERN GREAT LAKES LAKES TOWARDS MA/RI/CAPE COD. SUCH A TRACK

WOULD BE A BIT TO THE LEFT OF THE FEB 6 1978 TRACK DESCRIBED

EARLIER. THE NEW GFS HAS TRENDED S OF ITS 00Z RUN SAT-SUN WITH ITS

MAIN UPPER ENERGY CROSSING SRN NY/SRN NEW ENG...KEEPING THE ENERGY

ABOVE LATITUDE 40. THE NEW CANADIAN IS ON THE N SIDE OF THE

ENVELOPE OF MODEL SOLUTIONS...AND THE NEW UKMET JUST A TAD TO THE

LEFT OF THE GFS SAT-SUN. THE ECMWF KEEPS IT MAIN ENERGY ALONG

LATITUDE 40 N OF ITS PRIOR 00Z RUN. STILL LOOKING AT A POTENTIAL

SNOWSTORM FOR SRN NEW ENG THIS COMING WEEKEND...BUT LESS RISK OF

IT EXTENDING S INTO THE MID ATLANTIC STATES THAN EARLIER THOUGHT.

RAUSCH/FLOOD

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeastern_United_States_blizzard_of_1978

Not sure if this was posted but its pretty interesting.......throws out a reference to a track left of Feb. 78....does anybody have a map of storm totals from that?

EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION

NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD

229 PM EST MON JAN 03 2011

VALID 12Z THU JAN 06 2011 - 12Z MON JAN 10 2011

...FINAL MEDIUM RANGE DISCUSSION...

THE MAIN ALTERATION TO THE UPDATED PRELIM PROGS WAS TO ADJUST A

POSSIBLE MAJOR STORM SWWD ALONG THE NRN MID ATLANTIC COAST IN THE

DAY 4-6 FRI-SUN TIME FRAME. 12Z/03 MODEL CONSENSUS LACKS GOOD

AGREEMENT IN ITS DEVELOPMENT...THOUGH THE 12Z GFS/UKMET ARE STILL

QUITE INTENSE WITH THE DEPTH OF THE SYS. THE MANUAL FINAL SURFACE

PROGS BACKED OFF A BIT FROM THE DEPTH THEY SHOWED IN THE UPDATED

PRELIM. WE WERE INFLUENCED IN THIS REGARD BY THE ECMWF PLAYING UP

A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IMPULSE MOVING THRU THE BROAD CYCLONIC

VORTEX CENTERED OVER NRN PA/SRN NY STATE NEXT WEEKEND.

MORE ON 12Z MODELS: THE LATEST GFS/UKMET/CANADIAN MODELS REMAIN

CLUSTERED TO THE N OF LATITUDE 40 DEGREES WITH CLOSED CYCLONIC

ENERGY DROPPING SE FROM S CENTRAL CANADA THEN TURNING EWD ACROSS

THE ERN GREAT LAKES LAKES TOWARDS MA/RI/CAPE COD. SUCH A TRACK

WOULD BE A BIT TO THE LEFT OF THE FEB 6 1978 TRACK DESCRIBED

EARLIER. THE NEW GFS HAS TRENDED S OF ITS 00Z RUN SAT-SUN WITH ITS

MAIN UPPER ENERGY CROSSING SRN NY/SRN NEW ENG...KEEPING THE ENERGY

ABOVE LATITUDE 40. THE NEW CANADIAN IS ON THE N SIDE OF THE

ENVELOPE OF MODEL SOLUTIONS...AND THE NEW UKMET JUST A TAD TO THE

LEFT OF THE GFS SAT-SUN. THE ECMWF KEEPS IT MAIN ENERGY ALONG

LATITUDE 40 N OF ITS PRIOR 00Z RUN. STILL LOOKING AT A POTENTIAL

SNOWSTORM FOR SRN NEW ENG THIS COMING WEEKEND...BUT LESS RISK OF

IT EXTENDING S INTO THE MID ATLANTIC STATES THAN EARLIER THOUGHT.

RAUSCH/FLOOD

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Just to clarify

1st storm = Clipper/inverted trough at hr 120

2nd = OTS at hr 162

3rd storm = Big hit at around hr 210

this is all going change by 00z, the pattern is so fragile..I think all the possible solutions are being thrown at us right now

Wxrisk.com ‎12Z EURO for 2nd run in a row and 3rd in last 4.. has significant East Coast low developing along or Just off SC coast JAN 11 then undergoes rapid development so that by JAN 12 it is 100 miles east of CAPE MAY. FULL UPDATE 430-500PM ON WEB SITE

HM also liked this timeframe for a storm as well.

huh? :huh:

wouldn't JAN 11 be ~hr 162?

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MHO is that from your area points ne is still under the very real threat of KU magnitude event.....obviously potential is greater out this way.

I would not want to be anywhere sw of NYC.....at least until the next Miller A HECS several days later. :lol:

I don't buy the EURO and believe that if it were not too slow phasing the PV in, then we'd be drilling for oil under LI.

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MHO is that from your area points ne is still under the very real threat of KU magnitude event.....obviously potential is greater out this way.

I would not want to be anywhere sw of NYC.....at least until the next Miller A HECS several days later. :lol:

I don't buy the EURO and believe that if it were not too slow phasing the PV in, then we'd be drilling for oil under LI.

agreed, nyc north has the best shot with the miller b, but i wouldn't rule phl out yet. Honestly, im just happy with 1-3 from the clipper that gets the miller b going.

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Hey- usually just lurk around, and been busy here at work... can someone clarify.. when are these storms for? i keep hearing a few diff threats, but am getting confused... what is the deal with the weekend storm? from staten island here.....

thanks

Just to clarify

1st storm = Clipper/inverted trough at hr 120

2nd = OTS at hr 162

3rd storm = Big hit at around hr 210

this is all going change by 00z, the pattern is so fragile..I think all the possible solutions are being thrown at us right now

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Hey- usually just lurk around, and been busy here at work... can someone clarify.. when are these storms for? i keep hearing a few diff threats, but am getting confused... what is the deal with the weekend storm? from staten island here.....

thanks

first threat is this weekend with a clipper or miller b potential...2nd threat is in the tues-thurs period next week. For this weekend storm you have a good shot at the miller b if it forms given your latitude.

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LOL I'm not trying to sound important.....just offering a humble opinion.

I wasn't being nasty. I like your thoughts. I have read the NE forum frequently and you are one who i believe knows what you are talking about. Honestly down here i'm hoping for an inch or two and then await the bigger threat early/mid next week.

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