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NYC/PHL January 7-9 Potential Part I


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12z NAM gives PHL 0.25" QPF through the end of the run, given 850mb temp of ~ -8C, that would mean about 4-5"

ABE gets 0.42", which would be 7-8" of powder.

this is according to the ratio calculator I use, although it seems to high to me:

http://www.wxalert.info/calc/snow.php

nice to dream but remember it is the 84hr NAM, and the PV is waaay far south on this run.

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There is a precip max somewhere near Allentown of .502

12z NAM gives PHL 0.25" QPF through the end of the run, given 850mb temp of ~ -8C, that would mean about 4-5"

ABE gets 0.42", which would be 7-8" of powder.

this is according to the ratio calculator I use, although it seems to high to me:

http://www.wxalert.info/calc/snow.php

nice to dream but remember it is the 84hr NAM, and the PV is waaay far south on this run.

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There is a precip max somewhere near Allentown of .502

wow. with -8C, that would be 9.0"

but it looks like a lot of that is just from the inverted trough. although it's tough to distinghuish whats form the trof and whats from the extra energy on this run. someone between CT and PHL is going to get unexpectantly hammered with this inverted trough. not sure i buy the coastal idea yet, unless other models come around to

1) better ridge out west

2) farther south PV

like the 12z NAM have

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It is diving that energy much further south and there is southern stream interaction that was not there previously. The potential here is huge.

wow. with -8C, that would be 9.0"

but it looks like a lot of that is just from the inverted trough. although it's tough to distinghuish whats form the trof and whats from the extra energy on this run. someone between CT and PHL is going to get unexpectantly hammered with this inverted trough. not sure i buy the coastal idea yet, unless other models come around to

1) better ridge out west

2) farther south PV

like the 12z NAM have

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John,

Please try to get into the NWS, you would be an asset. Don't let the system discourage you. You're a sharp met, don't let it go to waste. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to pm or e-mail me. (This would hold for Mike too).

Ditto^2. At the same time, remember that the path to the NWS is not necessarily a straight/short one...am living proof of that. If you really want to get into the NWS badly enough, keep the goal always in front of you, conform as many of your life decisions as possible to achieving that goal, and keep chipping away. Also Google up some quotes on persistence and tattoo them on your forehead so you can see them first thing in the morning each day. :arrowhead:

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I go to Kean university..it's a short drive from my house. I'm a third year meteorology student currently :thumbsup:

yea I really hope we meet each other one day as you know I'm a frosh there for meteorology as well. Now that I moved to Roselle Park, we are closer to each other as well

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I attended the seminar that Paul Kocin held at Kean about two years back...it was very interesting and I was in my glory being around all the other winter weather weenies lol. He was out promoting his book at the time and since then he has a few more chapters to write after last winter and this one. I hope he decides to come back again. For the met students out their, what level of math is involved? I've always been interested in going after a degree but I think my math skills might be lacking.

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I attended the seminar that Paul Kocin held at Kean about two years back...it was very interesting and I was in my glory being around all the other winter weather weenies lol. He was out promoting his book at the time and since then he has a few more chapters to write after last winter and this one. I hope he decides to come back again. For the met students out their, what level of math is involved? I've always been interested in going after a degree but I think my math skills might be lacking.

I majored in Environment Science with a concentration in Atmospheric Science. I had to take up to Calc 3 and atmospheric dynamics which is calculus based.

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I attended the seminar that Paul Kocin held at Kean about two years back...it was very interesting and I was in my glory being around all the other winter weather weenies lol. He was out promoting his book at the time and since then he has a few more chapters to write after last winter and this one. I hope he decides to come back again. For the met students out their, what level of math is involved? I've always been interested in going after a degree but I think my math skills might be lacking.

I was there for that seminar with Kocin. I purchased the books at the discounted price for the people that were present. I'm happy I was able to make it !

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I attended the seminar that Paul Kocin held at Kean about two years back...it was very interesting and I was in my glory being around all the other winter weather weenies lol. He was out promoting his book at the time and since then he has a few more chapters to write after last winter and this one. I hope he decides to come back again. For the met students out their, what level of math is involved? I've always been interested in going after a degree but I think my math skills might be lacking.

I was there as well. Good times.

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I was there for that seminar with Kocin. I purchased the books at the discounted price for the people that were present. I'm happy I was able to make it !

Earthlight and I were there too. :)

As for the math, you need 3 semesters of calculus (Calc I, II, and Multivariable Calculus) and a semester of Differential Equations (which may as well be Calc IV).

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You know, it's not often that you see a PV forced that far southward by a blocking ridge. When it does happen however, UL systems tend to be entrenched in cold air which can make it difficult for models to project correctly. The NAM wants to force any low development off towards the baroclinic zone, but those low pressure systems over land are a typical signal that it is at least recognizing the threat of a track closer to the coast...despite the lack of warm advection.

This could definitely be a sneaky storm for some people.

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Inverted trough brings mod/heavy snow to NYC north this run. Most of the rest of the region sees .1+" QPF.

Sounds to me like an east central pa screw over to me again. Can a trough ever sit over us for a change? Funny- tons of rain in in the early summer but cannot squeeze out a flake in the winter. This pattern cannot keep going like this. Its not normal. What ever happen to the repetitious 2-6 inch snow events? These 20 inch or nothing snow events is enough too give a forecaster a heart attack.

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You know, it's not often that you see a PV forced that far southward by a blocking ridge. When it does happen however, UL systems tend to be entrenched in cold air which can make it difficult for models to project correctly. The NAM wants to force any low development off towards the baroclinic zone, but those low pressure systems over land are a typical signal that it is at least recognizing the threat of a track closer to the coast...despite the lack of warm advection.

This could definitely be a sneaky storm for some people.

Given how cold it is aloft, aka convective this one will be with its norlun trofs et al, there are going to be a lot of exotic haves and have nots nam qpf solutions in the days ahead.

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