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Yep, if you notice how the handling of the 500mb low in new england is significantly different than 12z... much closer to the Euro. The Euro is still more intense with the first wave and thus has more snowfall and a larger portion of NC/SC/GA below freezing since the ridge never really gets pumping since it doesn't have time to recover between the shortwaves. At this point, there is still tons of uncertainty, but considering how the Christmas Storm went, I feel more comfortable to have the Euro on my side.

I agree that it appears unlikely the southern stream shortwave and the northern stream shortwave will merge together... however, the southern stream shortwave on the 18z gfs is still dampening out pretty quickly, even though its is more rigorous this run. We have to keep this feature stronger, or otherwise shortly after the wave moves through WAA will start again ahead of the next shortwave.

While the southern stream feature has trended towards the Euro, the placement of the low 500mb heights is completely different. In fact the Euro at 12z shows a nice elongated 500mb height minimum near the Great Lakes, while the GFS shows a weak ridge in the polar jet stream in this area... I think this particular feature needs to be watched very closely as it helps keep the southern stream shortwave and the rockies shortwave more separated and prevents the premature amplification of the rockies shortwave... keeping most folks under a colder regime. Now which one is right? Honestly, I haven't got a clue, although the euro depiction of lower heights over the great lakes is rather strange, considering the similar intensity baroclinic low off the northeastern united states. Lets see how the models change at 00z.

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Well said! I wonder where your red tag is? Anyway the difference in the western lobe of the PV over the Great Lakes is key to those different solutions. It will be interesting to see how these model runs evolve and to see if we get any type of consensus this time. I am wondering if the models are having trouble resolving the La Nina combined with these anomalous setups. I am not a model expert by any means so I won't begin to speculate on that. Anyway I am currently updating my page. I am really rooting for the Euro's Miller A instead of a Miller B that is for sure. I am trying my best to catch up with what has been happening being I just started a second job.

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This thread should be " January 2011North Carolina/ South Carolina" ---> I ask a serious SE weather question about us just a bit down the road and numerous posts later about how much is or may be or was coming IMBY and with no reply to my model/set-up/dynamics question, I figure I might be in the wrong neighborhood.

So - Where do I ask a serious SE question about why or why not something is or may or may not be happening between Savannah, Tifton, Tallahassee and Gainesville? 'Cause I respect the input and observations and knowledge of the folks who post here and are part of this community, I'd really like some direction; regrettably, it's impossible to keep scrolling through pages of how much someone got back when on some given event when you're looking for an answer to a current met question about a geographic area. Should we start a new topic - "Technical Questions for Your Area" or something?

I totally agree with renaming the room; the whole discussions that take place in here are applicable to the Carolinas

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This thread should be " January 2011North Carolina/ South Carolina" ---> I ask a serious SE weather question about us just a bit down the road and numerous posts later about how much is or may be or was coming IMBY and with no reply to my model/set-up/dynamics question, I figure I might be in the wrong neighborhood.

So - Where do I ask a serious SE question about why or why not something is or may or may not be happening between Savannah, Tifton, Tallahassee and Gainesville? 'Cause I respect the input and observations and knowledge of the folks who post here and are part of this community, I'd really like some direction; regrettably, it's impossible to keep scrolling through pages of how much someone got back when on some given event when you're looking for an answer to a current met question about a geographic area. Should we start a new topic - "Technical Questions for Your Area" or something?

Sorry man, I'll be straight up I'm only concerned about CLT...I'm greedy. Doesn't Florida have it's own thread though? Usually thats why I avoid including it...Tony and SF usually cater the further south east regions of SC, GA and FL. Promise it's nothing personal thumbsupsmileyanim.gif

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I don't know what 2m temps are, But looks like a CAD sig. I think ?

Yeah it is showing some CAD with an inverted trough on the NC Coast. This could be hinting at a pseudo Miller B but that would be a heck of a distance for the inland low to be away from the coastal.

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I totally agree with renaming the room; the whole discussions that take place in here are applicable to the Carolinas

Its hard to break the old habits, but normally I do try to include areas I think we have posters from on here, and mention TENN quite a bit. I admit my area of emphasis on here is western Carolinas and northeast GA region, and only venture out hard when I'm very confident further out, but I'll try to mention more of other places like north Florida and Alabama and Mississippi, but inevitably there's going to be other mets. with expertise in those regions, plus its just plain hard to forecast for a huge region, especially when you try to be as specific as you can, and I try to get extremely specific when I can. I think there's just a lack of posters from certain geographic regions, but that will probably change with time, it doesn't mean no body thinks less of your region. I try to be fair as possible, all things considered. I don't know if that helps or not. I do agree though that the Carolinas are extremely covered on the forum, for whatever reason. NC is the tenth most populated state, not saying that to dimish anyone else at all, just that demographics. And Lord knows I wouldn't want to be a MidAtlantic elitist at all.

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After JB missing the Christmas storm so bad Im fine with him calling for an OV track.

Also,I feel like all of the Carolina folks have done a good job to be inclusive to at least us GA people. Especially Foothills. Heck, even TN has a good number of folks on here now. A few years ago it was a lot harder to get an local info.

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Well Robert I am in upstate SC so I really rely on your information and from the looks of the Nam this run me and you both may get just a little of the white stuff!!

Its hard to break the old habits, but normally I do try to include areas I think we have posters from on here, and mention TENN quite a bit. I admit my area of emphasis on here is western Carolinas and northeast GA region, and only venture out hard when I'm very confident further out, but I'll try to mention more of other places like north Florida and Alabama and Mississippi, but inevitably there's going to be other mets. with expertise in those regions, plus its just plain hard to forecast for a huge region, especially when you try to be as specific as you can, and I try to get extremely specific when I can. I think there's just a lack of posters from certain geographic regions, but that will probably change with time, it doesn't mean no body thinks less of your region. I try to be fair as possible, all things considered. I don't know if that helps or not. I do agree though that the Carolinas are extremely covered on the forum, for whatever reason. NC is the tenth most populated state, not saying that to dimish anyone else at all, just that demographics. And Lord knows I wouldn't want to be a MidAtlantic elitist at all.

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Its hard to break the old habits, but normally I do try to include areas I think we have posters from on here, and mention TENN quite a bit. I admit my area of emphasis on here is western Carolinas and northeast GA region, and only venture out hard when I'm very confident further out, but I'll try to mention more of other places like north Florida and Alabama and Mississippi, but inevitably there's going to be other mets. with expertise in those regions, plus its just plain hard to forecast for a huge region, especially when you try to be as specific as you can, and I try to get extremely specific when I can. I think there's just a lack of posters from certain geographic regions, but that will probably change with time, it doesn't mean no body thinks less of your region. I try to be fair as possible, all things considered. I don't know if that helps or not. I do agree though that the Carolinas are extremely covered on the forum, for whatever reason. NC is the tenth most populated state, not saying that to dimish anyone else at all, just that demographics. And Lord knows I wouldn't want to be a MidAtlantic elitist at all.

And Georgia has a higher population than NC, yet for some reason it seems like there are WAY more people from NC on this forum.

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I totally agree with renaming the room; the whole discussions that take place in here are applicable to the Carolinas

I just posted similar comments in the newly created "General Banter" thread that was created largely because Carolina posters did not want to hear about things outside of the Carolinas. It is beginning to sound like a MA or NE room.

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Its hard to break the old habits, but normally I do try to include areas I think we have posters from on here, and mention TENN quite a bit. I admit my area of emphasis on here is western Carolinas and northeast GA region, and only venture out hard when I'm very confident further out, but I'll try to mention more of other places like north Florida and Alabama and Mississippi, but inevitably there's going to be other mets. with expertise in those regions, plus its just plain hard to forecast for a huge region, especially when you try to be as specific as you can, and I try to get extremely specific when I can. I think there's just a lack of posters from certain geographic regions, but that will probably change with time, it doesn't mean no body thinks less of your region. I try to be fair as possible, all things considered. I don't know if that helps or not. I do agree though that the Carolinas are extremely covered on the forum, for whatever reason. NC is the tenth most populated state, not saying that to dimish anyone else at all, just that demographics. And Lord knows I wouldn't want to be a MidAtlantic elitist at all.

Let me be very, very clear. Robert, Allan, Larry, Matthew East, Lookout.... Everybody who is a met in North Carolina does a heck of a job including Georgia, Tenn, and even Alabama when the system warrants.

Larry and Storms Furry are great about covering the coast when it is appropriate, for anyone to say otherwise, is not READING.

Dawson and Cheeze keep us GA folks in the loop.

Don't change a thing!:thumbsup:

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After JB missing the Christmas storm so bad Im fine with him calling for an OV track.

Also,I feel like all of the Carolina folks have done a good job to be inclusive to at least us GA people. Especially Foothills. Heck, even TN has a good number of folks on here now. A few years ago it was a lot harder to get an local info.

Don't forget us west central Ga and East Al folks....There are a number of members here from that area....And all because you folks give some great analysis....Phils explanation of the GFS/EURO a page or so back was phenomenal...He picked out the proverbial fly in the ointment....Foothills....You Rock!! There are also many others with great PBP...Burger, keep doing what you do....Tony and GAWX and Cheez (The new DR.NO...HAHA!!) are the main ones for my area..you most excellent model readers and mets....keep us folks a little farther down 85 in mind as well...:)

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And Georgia has a higher population than NC, yet for some reason it seems like there are WAY more people from NC on this forum.

Probably because NC tends to get a good bit more snow on average than GA. Raleigh and Charlotte both average more than twice what ATL gets, the mountains get much more (and even coastal areas like Greenville average a bit more). It's tough being a snow weenie in GA!

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