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Never said all Miller B's are bad but when you have low redeveloping along the Delmarva/ S NJ coast, that's not great for DC to NYC. Not only will there be QPF issues but there could easily by BL issues. The best Miller B setups are ones that develop along or just off of the Carolinas or Virginia coasts.

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You might want to check out one of the greatest Miller Bs of all time, such as February 1978 and January 2005, where PHL-North raked up 12+ totals.....

Mixing issues will still be a problem, no matter who gets the higher snowfall totals. The cold is not in place this time. I was in 1978 and 2005 storms- so what about the snow. The king of snowfalls will always be 1996 and that is not going to happen Miller B's get mixing issues

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It all depends. Some Miller B's kill NYC. I agree though that it gets more tricky south of NYC. It depends on how far south this thing digs. The Canadian actually keeps the precip to the south of NYC.

All I can say is these types of setups are very risky for NYC south, most Miller B's are and this one would be no exception. If the setup does evolve close to what the gfs suggests than New England will probably get hammered while we get side swept.

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Strongly agree. Its usually the dc crew who gets screwed. We make out well with these most times, don't really know why everyone is saying nyc south gets screwed.

Only year I dont recall PHL "getting screwed" with these setups was 95-96....every Miller B bombed out near the VA Capes as opposed to Cape May.

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The 850 low cuts through NJ at around Rt. 78.  I stick with what I said previously.  It is also a clipper type system.  I don't remember too many clippers with that track bringing precip issues to us.  

dont care what type of system it is, i wouldnt be to comfortable with an all snow event unless the 850 low is south or east of us(espc for the coast).    doesnt matter anyway since we are so far out to pinpoint such details. 

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Well, at the moment it is just south of us, but granted, it is very close. Too early yet anyway. Both the UKMET and Canadian appear to take it a little further south.

dont care what type of system it is, i wouldnt be to comfortable with an all snow event unless the 850 low is south or east of us(espc for the coast). doesnt matter anyway since we are so far out to pinpoint such details.

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All I can say is these types of setups are very risky for NYC south, most Miller B's are and this one would be no exception. If the setup does evolve close to what the gfs suggests than New England will probably get hammered while we get side swept.

I disagree. Having lived many years in the PHL area, it is not uncommon to get 6-10 inches out this set up.

Sure you don't get the 12 + totals, but I am sure anyone in the PHL will agree PHL does not typically get screwed the hardest.

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Strongly agree. Its usually the dc crew who gets screwed. We make out well with these most times, don't really know why everyone is saying nyc south gets screwed.

I disagree with both observations, PHL, NYC and DC all get screwed and the NW suburbs, Poconos and LV are the jackpot in this setup. Mixing issues are the issue

All depends on how far south the primary low comes across and where the secondary develops. It's different every time.

Mixing issues with 850's of - 4 or more in NYC? I highly doubt it.

850's are not the only level used to determine precip type.

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hr 120 the southern system pushed off the se coast looks like its starting to form a low off se va...while the northern stream storm is over lake huron, sub 992. just some lgt precip from about nyc then through i78 to north

it also appears that the Euro is now abt 12hrs faster w/the h5 low.

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hr 120 the southern system pushed off the se coast looks like its starting to form a low off se va...while the northern stream storm is over lake huron, sub 992. just some lgt precip from about nyc then through i78 to north

almost looks to keep the Great Lakes low the primary, or at least much longer than GFS; GL low is 989

http://vortex.plymouth.edu/cgi-bin/gen_grbcalc.cgi?re=us&id=&zoom=.6&ti=UTC≥=1024x768&mo=ecmwf≤=sfc&va=slp&in=2&pl=ln&ft=h120&cu=latest&overlay=no&mo=≤=&va=&in=&pl=ln&ft=h24&cu=latest

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hr 132 has a sub 988 low over huron...its trying to form another low off the coast...lgt precip for all of ny and pa except se pa and nyc area

where is the h5 low? the surface features dont really matter...s it digging it like the GFS?

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