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Upstate NY/North Country Winter Thread II


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Miller A’s If you look up and compare Costal Miller A"s and B's You will see that it seems that Miller A's seem to need to track closer to the coast then their cousin. In a Miller A the rain-snow transition zone is relatively narrow due to the storm's structure. Whereas, a Miller B's have multiple above freezing layers. Because of this, it is common tol see various precipitation types not only across the whole regi

and often in a specific location as well ( sleet, snow, freezing rain or a wintry mix)

Also, if you look at the tracks of costals over the last 50-75 years you will notice that Miller B's are much more common that their cousin Miller A

I never would have guessed that. It would seem that with 2 fronts for a MillerB vs a single for Miller A it would be way more common for a Miller A. Now one last dumb question

for now, does the general term " Noreaster" get applied to one or the other or is that a totally different type storm? It just seems like a cliche' hype word used by people.to hype a storm.

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Maybe getting re-energized by this new offshore low forming. I see a trough extending nw up through CT into W. MA now.....

Then nw from there....

inverted trough still going strong in ottawa, in fact the radar is lighting up like a christmas tree after dying down for a bit :arrowhead:

Logan was right when he said 'rot in place' the other day.

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Nice graupel storm from the cooling tower at work. Some angry looking clouds over the lake...

Driving into Syracuse early this morning for a meeting I could see the cooling towers and steam rising straight up from Pompey. Pretty cool sight. Had to be 30-40 miles of visibility.

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I never would have guessed that. It would seem that with 2 fronts for a MillerB vs a single for Miller A it would be way more common for a Miller A. Now one last dumb question

for now, does the general term " Noreaster" get applied to one or the other or is that a totally different type storm? It just seems like a cliche' hype word used by people.to hype a storm.

A "nor'easter" applies to both a Miller A or B. Meteorologist basically just use the A or B reference to show the distinction on how the Nor'easter forms. It gets its name from the strong northeasterly winds it produces; while these type of storms are normally associated with Winter they can form anytime of the year.

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The skies appear to have (briefly?) cleared out here in Ottawa after a day of steady snow. Will be interesting to see what this upcoming week brings, with two snow possibilities possibly on offer.

I wonder if it fizzles out so to speak or drops a couple inches out your way. Either way Its starting to look snowy for ENY tuesday night especially if you believe the 00z nam.

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What a band off Cayuga Lake at the moment. Just in the past 15 minutes, it has shifted ever so slightly to the east and my conditions have gone from flurries to a full-fledged ~1.5" / Hr rate. This band extends well into Northeast PA, and I think BGM should consider including Broome-Susquehanna in the LES Advisory...

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yes, we are very lucky we had that surprise storm in december.....imagine if we didnt :arrowhead:

i do think we have made some positive strides in breaking things down this week.

hopefully that pays off in the not too distant future.

as to your last point, why cant those epic coastals that hammer everyone from buffalo to montreal on the 384 GFS ever verify?? :gun_bandana:

LOL! Now that would be awesome, just like why can't I ever win the Super Max lotto? Haha.. Oh well.. Here's hoping that we get nailed with a nice synoptic event soon..

Cheers,

Scratch

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Last night sort of underperformed, about 3.1". Most probably fell in that one squall.

So 7.1" in the past 24 hours, 11.9" in the past 60 hours.11" on the ground.

Not bad, I've recieved 2.6 inches of snow in the past 24 hours, 6.2 inches of snow in the past 3 days, and 11.3 inches so far this month. Current snow depth is an estimated 5 inches.
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4" in Western Onondaga since 10 pm last night.

And now from NWS Buffalo -

ALSO OF NOTE...THE GEFS ENSEMBLE MEAN IS FORECASTING A SIGNIFICANT

MJO EPISODE TO MOVE EAST ACROSS THE PACIFIC DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE

MONTH. MEAN OLR ANOMALIES OVER THE PAST WEEK SHOW ENHANCED

CONVECTION CONCENTRATING OVER TROPICAL SOUTHEAST ASIA. GEFS ENSEMBLE

MEMBERS ARE ALL IN VERY GOOD AGREEMENT IN MOVING THIS AREA OF

ENHANCED CONVECTION EAST ACROSS THE PACIFIC...WITH WHEELER PHASE

SPACE PLOTS BASED ON THE GEFS ENSEMBLES SHOWING A MODERATE TO STRONG

MJO SIGNAL ORBITING INTO THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE AFTER ABOUT 20-JAN.

IF THIS VERIFIES...THAT WOULD PUT US INTO PHASE 8 AND PHASE 1 OF THE

MJO CYCLE FOR THE LAST 10 DAYS OR SO OF JANUARY...WITH COMPOSITE

ANALOGS SHOWING A STRONG CORRELATION TOWARDS BELOW AVERAGE

TEMPERATURES AND ABOVE AVERAGE PRECIP IN THE GREAT LAKES WHEN IN

THESE PHASES. THUS...IF THE MJO FORECAST VERIFIES WE MAY SEE A

PERIOD OF WELL BELOW AVERAGE TEMPERATURES AND LAKE EFFECT SNOW FOR

THE LAST 10 DAYS OR SO OF JANUARY...ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE CONTINUANCE

OF THE GREENLAND BLOCK. BEFORE THIS HAPPENS...THE MJO CYCLE ALSO

SUPPORTS A BRIEF BUT POSSIBLY SIGNIFICANT WARM-UP AS WE PASS THROUGH

PHASE 5 AND 6 IN A WEEK TO 10 DAYS. THIS HAS SOME SUPPORT WITH THE

ECMWF AND GFS...ALTHOUGH THERE ARE MAJOR DIFFERENCES IN TIMING AND

AMPLITUDE. STAY TUNED.

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Is tuesday storm still up in the air as far as the track etc.?

Yes things aren't looking all that bad...Right most of the major models Show Eastern and Central New York getting moderate snow....We still have 60 hours before things really get started so the track will adjust....If you look at satellite this today you will see that the storm over the Gulf is much larger than the models had predicted it would be at this time....all that moisture is a good thing....I still think this will be a big storm for the Mid Atlantic and North East. Tonight's and tomorrow runs will look a lot better I'm sure

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Yes things aren't looking all that bad...Right most of the major models Show Eastern and Central New York getting moderate snow....We still have 60 hours before things really get started so the track will adjust....If you look at satellite this today you will see that the storm over the Gulf is much larger than the models had predicted it would be at this time....all that moisture is a good thing....I still think this will be a big storm for the Mid Atlantic and North East. Tonight's and tomorrow runs will look a lot better I'm sure

Each run is looking better and better. GFS still too far east IMO, but that will change in the next 24 hours. :guitar:

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Statement as of 3:24 PM EST on January 09, 2011

... Lake effect Snow Advisory now in effect until 5 am EST

Monday...

The lake effect Snow Advisory is now in effect until 5 am EST

Monday.

* Locations: Cortland... Chenango... Onondaga... Madison and southern

Cayuga counties including Syracuse... Cazenovia...

Sherburne... Norwich... Truxton... Auburn and Moravia.

* Hazards: moderate lake effect snow showers.

* Accumulations: tonight... snowfall accumulations will range from

3 to 5 inches

* winds: northwest winds at 10 to 20 mph will cause blowing and

drifting snow along with poor visibilities at times.

* Impacts: snow covered and slippery roads.

Precautionary/preparedness actions...

A lake effect Snow Advisory Means Lake effect snow is forecast

that will make travel difficult in some areas. Lake effect snow

showers typically align themselves in bands and will likely be

intense enough to drop several inches in localized areas. Use

caution when traveling.

Please report snowfall amounts to the National Weather Service by

calling toll free at 1-877-633-6772... or by email at

[email protected].

Mundschenk

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