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Discuss the Blizz of 2010 - Part II


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People just want to hear the good news and it's starting to evolve into hype. Everyone sees the issues now but when it was still a debate the "dont worry its coming regardless" shouts win. I bought into it for one post when I told ray 15-30 before retracting, the NAM/MM5 signal was just too strong. I got critcized for the red flags once we knew the storm was coming, not a word about the fact I said HPC was wrong for disregarding the hits. A couple/one want to paint it as always being negative, when everyone was hugging the Euro that gave Boston 0" I said there was nothing wrong with the two hit models. But how can we go against the EC Ensembles which were over the benchmark? LOL I think a few people ripped me for that too, but they were wrong and it was clear even 6 hours in the impact was way overstated to the HPC models. That gets forgotten in favor of mentioning a dry slot that anyone not suffering from an eye condition could see on the water vapor.

I had a lot of things wrong with this storm at different times but I'm convinced the hype is starting to hurt forecasts.

Tip was largely right, a few areas got nailed but this was a "shredded bummer." Not a criticism of NOAA at all but when we look back at 3-5 state Blizzard warnings for many this isn't going to be remembered as the great blizzard. Nice snowstorm sure!

For others like those SW of Boston with trees all messed up, it's the worst storm since 78

I disagree. All of NJ, areas in NC, VA, and many areas in coastal CT/RI/MA/NH/ME got hammered. Some of the usual jackpot areas got shadowed but the impact on the shear number of people makes this one of the major storms of the past 10 years. It's kind of like if I downgrade the blizzard of '66 because NYC/BOS mixed at the height while all areas inland and west of NYC (including DC/BWI) got buried.

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Those shrubs will be fine, I have 59 Arborvitaes and they are really resilient, I have had them layed right over with ice and they always come back up, Mine are between 7-8'.....

The good pic of them crushed could not be uploaded unfortunately. It was pretty funny. I agree they should spring back, but I hope there wasn't any branches ripped off.

I know it sounds silly, but when you live in the city...you tend to value the landscaping..lol.

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The good pic of them crushed could not be uploaded unfortunately. It was pretty funny. I agree they should spring back, but I hope there wasn't any branches ripped off.

I know it sounds silly, but when you live in the city...you tend to value the landscaping..lol.

Not silly at all, You should have seen me when i just palnted these, You would have thought they were my children......... :lol:

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I disagree. All of NJ, areas in NC, VA, and many areas in coastal CT/RI/MA/NH/ME got hammered. Some of the usual jackpot areas got shadowed but the impact on the shear number of people makes this one of the major storms of the past 10 years. It's kind of like if I downgrade the blizzard of '66 because NYC/BOS mixed at the height while all areas inland and west of NYC (including DC/BWI) got buried.

Yes they did Jerry. Yes they did.

For us here in Ayer and most out through FIT and middle interior Massachusetts this storm was pedestrian, however. There have been big daddy bombs in the past that did not do that.

Anyway, this will be a top 10 storm for areas of NJ - NYC, and down the coast, maybe a couple of lolly-pops S/SW of BOS, but otherwise, not out of the ordinary for winter in SNE.

8" so far in Ayer. One last shredded band to go and then we enjoy a moderation trend?

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I disagree. All of NJ, areas in NC, VA, and many areas in coastal CT/RI/MA/NH/ME got hammered. Some of the usual jackpot areas got shadowed but the impact on the shear number of people makes this one of the major storms of the past 10 years. It's kind of like if I downgrade the blizzard of '66 because NYC/BOS mixed at the height while all areas inland and west of NYC (including DC/BWI) got buried.

I reiterate - I bet we'd be lucky to find one storm in history that dumped 12" + on ORF, NYC, PHL and BOS. It was a freak of nature that didn't quite deliver the universal precip shield we all love ('93, '96, '03) nor a IMBY special that let us pound our chests ('78,'97,'05). But it would be in the next KU edition, no doubt.

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Great dendrites now

Big flakes going sideways...neat!

Usually the big guys float down. Walkway, driveway finally 100% snowcovered

Messenger, do you know peeps in Foxboro?

My brother does some plowing there and lives there and I grew up there.

One town east and still a ton of friends in the area. Snow zone for SNE. They're getting rocked there again right now.

The areas has changed a lot in the last 25 years but the snow keeps coming.

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Yes they did Jerry. Yes they did.

For us here in Ayer and most out through FIT and middle interior Massachusetts this storm was pedestrian, however. There have been big daddy bombs in the past that did not do that.

Anyway, this will be a top 10 storm for areas of NJ - NYC, and down the coast, maybe a couple of lolly-pops S/SW of BOS, but otherwise, not out of the ordinary for winter in SNE.

8" so far in Ayer. One last shredded band to go and then we enjoy a moderation trend?

The combo of snow and wind was something I have never seen. On their own each was incredible, but together, wow...truly rare.

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The combo of snow and wind was something I have never seen. On their own each was incredible, but together, wow...truly rare.

Yea, I went out for some hot and sour soup from Chinese ...more just to be a dork and drive around in it and needing an excuse to do so - haha - and was pretty amazed that even here at an elevation of 190 feet, which qualifies as a valley, this was a horizontal storm. We never really S+ed here in Ayer, but the wind made a moderate snow 1/4 vis on many occasions. I don't believe I verified a blizzard here locally.

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Think you'd better check amounts in western CT and Western Mass then

And there are reports on the tv etc of 20"+ in spots plus its still snowing. QPF wise we always knew there would be the two maxes even you didn't deny that. Very well modeled. Where are you seeing the reports, BOX and ALB, OKX I can't find anything much over these.

1004 am

...BRISTOL COUNTY...

TAUNTON 16.7 1004 AM 12/27 NWS OFFICE

MANSFIELD 16.5 810 AM 12/27 HAM RADIO

DIGHTON 13.1 809 AM 12/27 NWS EMPLOYEE

...PLYMOUTH COUNTY...

BROCKTON 16.0 956 AM 12/27 HAM RADIO

WHITMAN 12.3 643 AM 12/27 HAM RADIO

MIDDLEBOROUGH CENTER 10.9 540 AM 12/27 GENERAL PUBLIC

...ESSEX COUNTY...

SAUGUS 19.2 910 AM 12/27 GENERAL PUBLIC

TOPSFIELD 13.5 906 AM 12/27

CONNECTICUT

...LITCHFIELD COUNTY...

CANAAN 14.0 550 AM 12/27 WEATHERNET6

NORFOLK 10.3 800 AM 12/27 CO-OP OBSERVER

NEW MILFORD 10.0 730 AM 12/27 2-4 FT DRIFTS

TORRINGFORD 9.5 846 AM 12/27

BAKERSVILLE 9.0 640 AM 12/27 CO-OP OBSERVER

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Just once we need to have the mid level lows to our S or SE when they stall...been too many years and its amazing there has been this many in 15 months and all have been not yet ideal here.

...BERGEN COUNTY...

LYNDHURST 29.0 230 AM 12/27 TRAINED SPOTTER

GARFIELD 21.8 331 AM 12/27 TRAINED SPOTTER

RIDGEWOOD 17.5 622 AM 12/27 TRAINED SPOTTER

MAHWAH 17.5 1000 PM 12/26 TRAINED SPOTTER

NORTH ARLINGTON 16.3 1000 PM 12/26 TRAINED SPOTTER

SADDLE BROOK 15.5 1000 PM 12/26 TRAINED SPOTTER

RAMSEY 15.0 1000 PM 12/26 TRAINED SPOTTER

WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP 14.5 1010 PM 12/26 PUBLIC

TENAFLY 11.6 1100 PM 12/26 TRAINED SPOTTER

CRESSKILL 11.5 1000 PM 12/26 TRAINED SPOTTER

HASBROUCK HEIGHTS 11.4 1000 PM 12/26 TRAINED SPOTTER

TEANECK 10.8 1000 PM 12/26 TRAINED SPOTTER

RIVER EDGE 10.5 1000 PM 12/26 TRAINED SPOTTER

ORADELL 10.2 1000 PM 12/26 TRAINED SPOTTER

...ESSEX COUNTY...

VERONA 23.0 500 AM 12/27 PUBLIC

MILLBURN 20.0 1215 AM 12/27 PUBLIC

NEWARK AIRPORT 20.0 107 AM 12/27 FAA CONTRACT OBSERVER

CEDAR GROVE 19.8 1210 AM 12/27 PUBLIC

BELLEVILLE 19.4 1130 PM 12/26 TRAINED SPOTTER

WEST ORANGE 17.0 1200 AM 12/27 PUBLIC

...HUDSON COUNTY...

HARRISON 25.0 415 AM 12/27 CO-OP OBSERVER

JERSEY CITY 16.0 1100 PM 12/26 TRAINED SPOTTER

KEARNY 15.0 1030 PM 12/26 TRAINED SPOTTER

...PASSAIC COUNTY...

HASKELL 24.5 200 AM 12/27 TRAINED SPOTTER

WEST MILFORD 22.0 415 AM 12/27 TRAINED SPOTTER

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i think Tip made a good call

he warned that snow totals wouldnt be as high as some (ie myself) thought in much of new england.......though totals between 8-20 inches it seems are nothing to sneeze at.

having said that, this was a powerhouse storm that will be remebered for the incredible strong winds for all, and locally heavy snow, and most certainly in nj/ny area.

up here we have sunny skies and winds gusting to 30-35mph and a miserable windchill, i hope this storm moves out thank you very much.:thumbsup:

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