LongIslandHurricanes Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 When was the last true old fashioned blizzard here in the NYC Metro area?I mean winds of 35mph more,less the 1/4 mile visibilty and tempts 20 or colder?????1996??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PDIIREDUX Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 When was the last true old fashioned blizzard here in the NYC Metro area?I mean winds of 35mph more,less the 1/4 mile visibilty and tempts 20 or colder?????1996??? probably, although NYC didn't log actual blizzard conditions according to NWS definition. My storm didnt have any wind or the extreme snow fall rates, so that is out. 96 was probably it but if you want to go before that maybe 83 but again, NWS definition vs. what we see outside are different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Was there any true blizzard conditions with 93? I was very young at the time.....but the wind was def there from what i recall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersWx92 Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 True blizzard conditions defined by the NWS (falling snow combined with winds of at least 35 mph and a visibility of less than one quarter mile for three consecutive hours) are rarely reached around here. I don't even think most sites in this area met all of those conditions in January 1996 (Trenton was an exception I believe). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxLover Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 When was the last true old fashioned blizzard here in the NYC Metro area?I mean winds of 35mph more,less the 1/4 mile visibilty and tempts 20 or colder?????1996??? Mid Feb. 1958. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 At Trenton it was definitely 1996. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBG Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 When was the last true old fashioned blizzard here in the NYC Metro area?I mean winds of 35mph more,less the 1/4 mile visibilty and tempts 20 or colder?????1996??? The January 2005 storm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan76 Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Feb '78 http://www.hurricanes-blizzards-noreasters.com/78blizzard.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Here's a gem for those of you too young to believe there could ever have been a better storm than the Blizzard of 96. These are the observations from ISP on February 6 and 7th 1978. Anything before about 1985 is not part of the ISP climate record, but I was pleasantly surprised to find that older observations still exist. To be honest I never had a clue what the obs at ISP were during that storm until today...just my memories of the day and a few old notes I took of the central park obs. Look at the 12 hours from 10AM to 10PM on 2/6/78 and tell me anyone had anything remotely near that in 1996 ...then notice how much longer it continued. 6 consecutive hours of whiteout FTW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Also interesting to note the brief spike in temperatures between 11PM and 2AM. A little reminiscent of January 2005 in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 One day I'll get around to going through those ISP obs from pre 1984 and might try to get them added to the official record... ;-) Here's a gem for those of you too young to believe there could ever have been a better storm than the Blizzard of 96. These are the observations from ISP on February 6 and 7th 1978. Anything before about 1985 is not part of the ISP climate record, but I was pleasantly surprised to find that older observations still exist. To be honest I never had a clue what the obs at ISP were during that storm until today...just my memories of the day and a few old notes I took of the central park obs. Look at the 12 hours from 10AM to 10PM on 2/6/78 and tell me anyone had anything remotely near that in 1996 ...then notice how much longer it continued. 6 consecutive hours of whiteout FTW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulen Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Mommaluka of all storms meet every criteria 78 hands down i'm happy i found you guys this is the fourth site in 8 yrs i think maybe longer thanks .The obs are fine its the experience i was 16 and remember a crippled city for quite a while and a city plow stuck on my corner see ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 old school blizzard or a modern one?...It used to be temps below 20 with gale force winds for a period of time...My list of blizzards since 1958...Cold drifting storms... 2/17/1958... 3/3-4/1960... 12/12/1960 1/20/1961 1/13/1964 2/7/1967... 2/6/1978... 4/6/1982... 2/11/1983... 1/7/1996... 2/17/2003... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Mommaluka boobooday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongIslandHurricanes Posted November 17, 2010 Author Share Posted November 17, 2010 old school blizzard or a modern one?...It used to be temps below 20 with gale force winds for a period of time...My list of blizzards since 1958...Cold drifting storms... 2/17/1958... 3/3-4/1960... 12/12/1960 1/20/1961 1/13/1964 2/7/1967... 2/6/1978... 4/6/1982... 2/11/1983... 1/7/1996... 2/17/2003... was not alive for the storms before 78 on this list..can't argue any of those(78-current) being true old fashion blizzards except maybe the 1982,2003 storms.winds and visibility were met,but don't remember temps being below 20..I know temps have nothing to do with blizzards now,That is why I say old fashioned blizzard(wich i consider true blizzard) Why did they change the criteria in the first place?? I would love a storm like the 92 noreaster but with heavy snows for duration instead of the rain we had..If that storm were all snow it think it would have been worse then the 78 blizzard What about the march 2001 bust.I know it was a bust,but is it still considered a blizzard by defination(the current criteria)?? when did they change and take the 20 dgree or colder temps out of Blizzard criteria? what were the winds and temps in the Lindsay storm? anyone know where I can find the all time highest snowfall for each of the counties in the nws upton coverage area?like what is the highest total in Westchester,Bronx,Manhattan,Brooklyn,etc,etc,etc?????? What counties have had the most Blizzards warnings(upton's coverage area)??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 One day I'll get around to going through those ISP obs from pre 1984 and might try to get them added to the official record... ;-) I know that kind of stuff doesn't get done unless someone volunteers. I appreciate the time and care you put into similar endeavors! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris L Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 The last true blizzard? January 1996.... Although Febraury 25-26 2010 came close in some spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH L.I Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Here's a gem for those of you too young to believe there could ever have been a better storm than the Blizzard of 96. These are the observations from ISP on February 6 and 7th 1978. Anything before about 1985 is not part of the ISP climate record, but I was pleasantly surprised to find that older observations still exist. To be honest I never had a clue what the obs at ISP were during that storm until today...just my memories of the day and a few old notes I took of the central park obs. Look at the 12 hours from 10AM to 10PM on 2/6/78 and tell me anyone had anything remotely near that in 1996 ...then notice how much longer it continued. 6 consecutive hours of whiteout FTW! that that was the grandaddy of alltime on the Island..from 9pm to 6am on the 7th it was a total whiteout..except for temps that was a true blizzard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 More recently, ISP had 5 consecutive hourly reports (7AM - 11 AM) meeting Blizzard criteria, including the traditional <20 temperature parameter on 1/23/2005: http://www.wundergro...eq_statename=NA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chazman Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 I remember from 1978 in the city (Queens at least) there was like a 5 hour or so period in late aft/early eve where it didn't snow..assuming dry slot. Points east up to Boston, etc got slammed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Lizard Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 I missed 5 straight days of school at St. Martin of Tours in Amityville in 1978, and the storm sewers that drained into the Great South Bay backed up and discolored the snow around them. A couple of weeks before, a surprise snow changing to rain that neglected to change to rain, well, 1978 was an awesome winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 At Trenton it was definitely 1996. Was JFK's last official blizzard PD2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Was JFK's last official blizzard PD2? No. JFK did not meet blizzard criteria for 3 consecutive hours on 2/17-18/2003. On the other hand, they did earlier that winter on Christmas night,. If I am interpreting the obs correctly, the last storm meeting blizzard criteria at JFK was Christmas 2002 (probably without a warning). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 No. JFK did not meet blizzard criteria for 3 consecutive hours on 2/17-18/2003. On the other hand, they did earlier that winter on Christmas night,. If I am interpreting the obs correctly, the last storm meeting blizzard criteria at JFK was Christmas 2002 (probably without a warning). In Long Beach, I don't think it approached blizzard criteria. The snow intensity might have fulfilled the visibility requirement, but the wind wasn't as strong as it needed to be. 7-8" of snow in 3 hours is always an awesome outcome regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBG Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 old school blizzard or a modern one?...It used to be temps below 20 with gale force winds for a period of time...My list of blizzards since 1958...Cold drifting storms... 2/17/1958... 3/3-4/1960... 12/12/1960 1/20/1961 1/13/1964 2/7/1967... 2/6/1978... 4/6/1982... 2/11/1983... 1/7/1996... 2/17/2003... PD I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBG Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 what were the winds and temps in the Lindsay storm?At or above freezing, winds 20 - 30 mph steady at the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowGoose69 Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 I'm pretty sure 1993 qualified at LGA from memory, they easily were at over 30kts for hours that morning....4/6/82 may also have at LGA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 I'm pretty sure 1993 qualified at LGA from memory, they easily were at over 30kts for hours that morning....4/6/82 may also have at LGA. Yes for 1993. I'd say yes for Apil 6, 1982, but it isn't abundantly clear from these metars because there were some reports with visibilities > .25 mile. However, those may have been the exception rather than the rule: SPECI KLGA 061515Z 03022KT 1/4SM +TSSN OVC002 A2927 RMK R22VR22V30/TB13 T OVHD MOVG NE SLPNO SPECI KLGA 061537Z 02021KT 1/8SM +SN OVC001 A2927 RMK R22VR12V14/ TE35 MOVD NE SLPNO METAR KLGA 061600Z 02022KT 1/8SM +TSSN OVC001 M02/M03 A2926 RMK R22VR10V14 TB10E35B48 T NE MOVG E SNUINCR SLP909 P0003 T10171028 510/2 SPECI KLGA 061614Z 01022G30KT 1/8SM +SN OVC002 A2922 RMK R22VR14V22 TE10 M0VD NE PRESFR SLPNO SPECI KLGA 061635Z 31021G30KT 1/2SM SN OVC004 A2918 RMK R22VR30V40 SLPNO SPECI KLGA 061638Z 01024KT 1/4SM +SN OVC003 A2922 RMK R22VR22V30 SLPNO METAR KLGA 061700Z 36022G28KT 1/2SM SN OVC005 M02/M03 A2921 RMK R22VR16V30 TE10 MOVD NE SNOINCR SLP892 P0002 T10221028 510/3 SPECI KLGA 061710Z 36022G32KT 1/2SM SN OVC002 A2920 RMK R22VR14V18 SLPNO METAR KLGA 061800Z 34024G30KT 1/4SM +SN OVC002 M03/M04 A2924 RMK R22VR16V20 90203 90404 27 SLP902 P0005 60020 T10281044 55007 SPECI KLGA 061812Z 34022G33KT 1/2SM SN OVC002 A2924 RMK SLPNO SPECI KLGA 061835Z 34023G32KT 1/8SM +SN OVC001 A2924 RMK R22VR08V14 SLPNO METAR KLGA 061900Z 33022G30KT 1/8SM +TSSN -BLSN OVC001 M04/M05 A2925 RMK R22VR06V10 SNOINCR SLP905 P0007 T10391050 510/1 SPECI KLGA 061911Z 34021G32KT 1/8SM +SN -BLSN OVC001 A2925 RMK R22VR06V08 TE10 MOVD NE SLPNO METAR KLGA 062000Z 34025G36KT 1/8SM +SN -BLSN OVC001 M04/M05 A2928 RMK R22VR06V10 PKWND 3437/32 TE10 MOVD NE/ SNOINCR SLP915 P0006 T10391050 510/2 METAR KLGA 062100Z 34019KT 1SM -SN -BLSN OVC003 M04/M06 A2933 RMK R22VR12V18 PK WND 3438/1459 12V18 PK WND 3438/1459 33017 90406 SLP932 P0006 4/006 T10391056 53030 METAR KLGA 062200Z 33021KT 7SM -SN SCT/// BKN/// OVC/// M03/M05 A//// RMK SLP949 P0013 T10281050 METAR KLGA 062300Z 32020G27KT 10SM SCT008 BKN015 OVC025 M02/M06 A2941 RMK SE15 SLP959 T10221061 SPECI KLGA 062333Z 12012G28KT 10SM SCT015 OVC030 A2943 RMK SCT V BKN SLPNO METAR KLGA 070000Z 32025G39KT 10SM SCT015 OVC030 M02/M06 A2944 RMK PK WND 2129/44 SLP970 60033 T10221061 51037 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIK62 Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Let's go way back when.....what about the conditions during the mid-Jan.1964 snowstorm? Total was just 13"-14" (NYC) but the drifts were more like the largest storms ever. I believe wind averaged 25mph steady, with temps. in low 20's throughout. There were regular white out periods near surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Let's go way back when.....what about the conditions during the mid-Jan.1964 snowstorm? Total was just 13"-14" (NYC) but the drifts were more like the largest storms ever. I believe wind averaged 25mph steady, with temps. in low 20's throughout. There were regular white out periods near surface. it's number 6 all time...It was more a duration storm but it did have some white outs in the afternoon...temperatures were in the upper teen to low 20's most of the storm but dropped to around ten near the end of the storm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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