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April 2025 Discussion/Obs

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LongBeachSurfFreak

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1 hour ago, jm1220 said:

Yep, looking warmer since we should have westerly flow for now. Have to always be aware of the turn on a dime to gunk with easterly wind this time of year though. 

Especially this year with the water being colder then normal do to all the offshore flow and upwelling. This pattern will not do much to warm the water either. May be a chilly start to the beach season once the flow switches back to consistently onshore.

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22 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

Especially this year with the water being colder then normal do to all the offshore flow and upwelling. This pattern will not do much to warm the water either. May be a chilly start to the beach season once the flow switches back to consistently onshore.

But we want the offshore flow to keep the land and air warmer.  The beach can keep the onshore flow hopefully it doesn't make it past the barrier islands.

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3 hours ago, donsutherland1 said:

If it stays dry through May and June, then there could be more.

I am going for 25 but I don't think it's going to be so dry this summer. But I do suspect that at its peak and perhaps in early September this summer (July, early August) will be very hot. But I do look for next summer to feature a return of summers like 1966, 1983, 1993, etc. 

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1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

But we want the offshore flow to keep the land and air warmer.  The beach can keep the onshore flow hopefully it doesn't make it past the barrier islands.

It’s just putting off the inevitable. West winds will just keep upwelling more and more cold water. So when the flow does turn onshore again, the sea breeze will have a bite, even here in Lynbrook. Just spent a couple hours installing my cool weather veggies. I waited until after last night as we had a shot at mid 30s which isn’t good for any tender young plants. Obviously not the best radiating location, but we do radiate more then the city.

 

 

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TheClimateChanger

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3 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

 

Records:

Highs:

EWR: 93 (2002)
NYC: 96 (1976)
LGA: 91 (1976)
JFK: 86 (2002)


Lows:

EWR: 32 (1943)
NYC: 25 (1875)
LGA: 35 (2014)
JFK: 35 (2003)

 

It's amazing how the heat in 2002 in April coincided with 1976 but the summers were radically different (even though both were followed by el ninos the following winter).

 

35 for a low on this date in 2003 is pretty shocking for JFK

April 1875 which we've talked about before was a real outlier....

and wow a dust devil in MA?

1957 - A dust devil near Dracut MA lifted a small child three feet into the air, and rolled two other children on the ground. Fortunately none of the three were hurt. The dust devil was accompanied by a loud whistling sound as it moved westward. (The Weather Channel)

Crazy stuff. Here are some notable highs and lows from April 18, 1875, from ThreadEx sites:

New York, New York: 32/25

Albany, New York: 32/21

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania: 34/25

Baltimore, Maryland: 34/26

Washington, D.C.: 33/25

Toronto, Ontario: 29/10

Buffalo, New York: 23/14

Rochester, New York: 25/15

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania: 25/14

Morgantown, West Virginia: 27/18

Cleveland, Ohio: 26/17

Toledo, Ohio: 34/12

Detroit, Michigan: 33/8

Lansing, Michigan: 33/8

 

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5 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

Yes I see 70s are forecast for all of next week after Monday so the warm season is definitely taking over now.

Storms usually begin to get weaker after April 15th. I can remember the famous Tax Day Nor’easter  in 2007 getting under 970 mb. That is about the deepest we have seen so late in the season.

Pattern looks more Southeast Ridge dominant going forward keeping the rainy zone further to our west. So while the dry conditions have eased a bit, still no widespread soaker in sight which would completely end the drier conditions. 

My guess is that our summer forecast will come down to the wind direction again. If the flow is more onshore like recent summers, then NJ will get the warmest conditions. We would need the ridge east of New England to shift back west allowing more offshore flow. But that has been difficult in recent years. NJ has had 4 summers with near to over 40 days reaching 90° in the 2020s. So top 10 summers for 90s have been very consistent west of the Hudson away from the sea breeze influence.
 

Data for January 1, 2024 through December 31, 2024
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.
HIGHTSTOWN 2 W COOP 41
HARRISON COOP 41
CANOE BROOK COOP 37
SOMERSET AIRPORT WBAN 35
NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 33
CALDWELL ESSEX COUNTY AP WBAN 33
Newark Area ThreadEx 33
INDIAN MILLS 2 W COOP 31
TETERBORO AIRPORT WBAN 31
PHILADELPHIA/MT. HOLLY WFO COOP 30
PENNSAUKEN 1N COOP 30
TETERBORO AIRPORT COOP 30


 

Data for January 1, 2022 through December 31, 2022
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.
SOUTH JERSEY REGIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 53
Newark Area ThreadEx 49
NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 49
HIGHTSTOWN 2 W COOP 49
CANOE BROOK COOP 47
SOMERSET AIRPORT WBAN 46
HARRISON COOP 44
New Brunswick Area ThreadEx 43
NEW BRUNSWICK 3 SE COOP 43
FREEHOLD-MARLBORO COOP 42
ESTELL MANOR COOP 41
INDIAN MILLS 2 W COOP 40


 

Data for January 1, 2021 through December 31, 2021
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.
FREEHOLD-MARLBORO COOP 43
HIGHTSTOWN 2 W COOP 41
Newark Area ThreadEx 41
NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 41
HARRISON COOP 38
CALDWELL ESSEX COUNTY AP WBAN 37
NEW BRUNSWICK 3 SE COOP 36
SOUTH JERSEY REGIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 36
New Brunswick Area ThreadEx 36

 

 for January 1, 2020 through December 31, 2020
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HIGHTSTOWN 2 W COOP 42
FREEHOLD-MARLBORO COOP 40
HARRISON COOP 39
CANOE BROOK COOP 37
CALDWELL ESSEX COUNTY AP WBAN 37
ESTELL MANOR COOP 36
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45 minutes ago, bluewave said:

Storms usually begin to get weaker after April 15th. I can remember the famous Tax Day Nor’easter  in 2007 getting under 970 mb. That is about the deepest we have seen so late in the season.

Pattern looks more Southeast Ridge dominant going forward keeping the rainy zone further to our west. So while the dry conditions have eased a bit, still no widespread soaker in sight which would completely end the drier conditions. 

My guess is that our summer forecast will come down to the wind direction again. If the flow is more onshore like recent summers, then NJ will get the warmest conditions. We would need the ridge east of New England to shift back west allowing more offshore flow. But that has been difficult in recent years. NJ has had 4 summers with near to over 40 days reaching 90° in the 2020s. So top 10 summers for 90s have been very consistent west of the Hudson away from the sea breeze influence.
 

Data for January 1, 2024 through December 31, 2024
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.
HIGHTSTOWN 2 W COOP 41
HARRISON COOP 41
CANOE BROOK COOP 37
SOMERSET AIRPORT WBAN 35
NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 33
CALDWELL ESSEX COUNTY AP WBAN 33
Newark Area ThreadEx 33
INDIAN MILLS 2 W COOP 31
TETERBORO AIRPORT WBAN 31
PHILADELPHIA/MT. HOLLY WFO COOP 30
PENNSAUKEN 1N COOP 30
TETERBORO AIRPORT COOP 30


 

Data for January 1, 2022 through December 31, 2022
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.
SOUTH JERSEY REGIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 53
Newark Area ThreadEx 49
NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 49
HIGHTSTOWN 2 W COOP 49
CANOE BROOK COOP 47
SOMERSET AIRPORT WBAN 46
HARRISON COOP 44
New Brunswick Area ThreadEx 43
NEW BRUNSWICK 3 SE COOP 43
FREEHOLD-MARLBORO COOP 42
ESTELL MANOR COOP 41
INDIAN MILLS 2 W COOP 40


 

Data for January 1, 2021 through December 31, 2021
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.
FREEHOLD-MARLBORO COOP 43
HIGHTSTOWN 2 W COOP 41
Newark Area ThreadEx 41
NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 41
HARRISON COOP 38
CALDWELL ESSEX COUNTY AP WBAN 37
NEW BRUNSWICK 3 SE COOP 36
SOUTH JERSEY REGIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 36
New Brunswick Area ThreadEx 36

 

 for January 1, 2020 through December 31, 2020
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.
HIGHTSTOWN 2 W COOP 42
FREEHOLD-MARLBORO COOP 40
HARRISON COOP 39
CANOE BROOK COOP 37
CALDWELL ESSEX COUNTY AP WBAN 37
ESTELL MANOR COOP 36

and west of NYC.... when was the last time the city had 30 days of 90 or higher, 2010 I think?

 

we had 1.5 nice days, now the clouds have moved in and it's very windy.  It would be nice to get  a big blocking ridge to keep these lows away from us, there seems to be 2-4 every week (with or without rain.)

the high temperature here was at 1 pm, 66, now down to 61.

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1 hour ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

It’s just putting off the inevitable. West winds will just keep upwelling more and more cold water. So when the flow does turn onshore again, the sea breeze will have a bite, even here in Lynbrook. Just spent a couple hours installing my cool weather veggies. I waited until after last night as we had a shot at mid 30s which isn’t good for any tender young plants. Obviously not the best radiating location, but we do radiate more then the city.

 

 

our low was in the mid 30s last night we were 5 degrees colder than JFK.  Frost can be experienced with temperatures as high as 36-37.

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1 hour ago, TheClimateChanger said:

Crazy stuff. Here are some notable highs and lows from April 18, 1875, from ThreadEx sites:

New York, New York: 32/25

Albany, New York: 32/21

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania: 34/25

Baltimore, Maryland: 34/26

Washington, D.C.: 33/25

Toronto, Ontario: 29/10

Buffalo, New York: 23/14

Rochester, New York: 25/15

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania: 25/14

Morgantown, West Virginia: 27/18

Cleveland, Ohio: 26/17

Toledo, Ohio: 34/12

Detroit, Michigan: 33/8

Lansing, Michigan: 33/8

 

and 4 solid snow events here in April 1875, including a double digit two day snowstorm and the latest snowfall accumulation on record for Central Park (3.0" on the 25th).

 

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LibertyBell

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5 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

Our climate then was closer to present day Boston. Now more like Baltimore back then.

We used to average over 3 feet of snow decade after decade.  Things took a turn after the 1910s.  

I know 1933-34 was very cold and snowy as was 1942-43, but the last hurrah for the old winters was really 1917-18.  It was all downhill after that.

1931-32 was a foreshadowing and sign of things to come.

 

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