April 2025 Discussion/Obs

[donsutherland1]

41 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Don, was there a snow storm in the 1980s (somewhere around 1987), October 10th if I remember correctly that caused a lot of tree damage in the Hudson Valley? Did NYC get a trace out of that Don? That might be our earliest Trace of snow if so?

 

Yes. October 4, 1987.

https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/freak-snow-storm-was-fall-s-snowy-crippler-16507957.php

[LibertyBell]

49 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

I just cut and pasted from 1804 New England hurricane. There was 42” of snow in southern Vermont likely at 2,000’ or more. But temps weren’t even close for us. Way too early in the season even back then.

Even calling it a hurricane is highly suspect given the wind directions recorded. A hurricane may have been the nucleus for the storm, but at the very least it was already extra tropical at this latitude. 

this is miraculous

By the evening, the storm had fully traversed the northeastern United States, where accounts indicated the passage of the storm's eye.^[8] The results of the 2001 study also suggested atypical strengthening occurred around this time,^[12] achieving its peak intensity with 1-minute maximum sustained winds of 110 mph (175 km/h) over Massachusetts, equivalent to a Category 2 hurricane on the Saffir–Simpson hurricane wind scale.^[13] The storm's maximum diameter was estimated to be 90 mi (150 km) at its largest point.^[14] As the hurricane weakened throughout the night, it underwent an extratropical transition, evidenced by a passageway of weak winds off of the trough's center. Its eye was consequently distorted as it meandered northward towards Canada, where it subsequently encountered an area of high pressure;^[8] though gusts diminished that evening, moderate precipitation persisted for another two days, before the snowstorm finally departed on October 11.^[15]

[LibertyBell]

29 minutes ago, Sundog said:

8 inches in that beast! I remember LGA was recording like nothing, but the station is right next to the water and I think that kept their temps at 34 ish and killed accumulation there. 

I have visual confirmation that the local roads literally right next to the airport by the Marine Terminal had 4+ inches. 

I lucked out and was in a bit of a local jackpot. That storm broke a branch and landed on my car and dented my roof and broke off my driver's side door mirror. 

So is JFK's, putting them near the water makes conditions vastly different just a few miles away throughout the year.

[gravitylover]

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

ideal weather, rain one day a week, 70s and sun 6 days a week

It needs to rain twice a week, especially in the spring when everything is leafing out. Overnight rain would be ideal.

[Stormlover74]

17 minutes ago, gravitylover said:

It needs to rain twice a week, especially in the spring when everything is leafing out. Overnight rain would be ideal.

And today barely counts as it will be under half an inch for most. 

[LibertyBell]

31 minutes ago, gravitylover said:

It needs to rain twice a week, especially in the spring when everything is leafing out. Overnight rain would be ideal.

overnight rain is absolutely awesome, a 12 hour rainfall and the sun comes out in the morning.

 

[Dark Star]

3 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

Sweden is too conservative.

The other Nordic nations are far better, they don't allow crap chemicals in their food, they don't allow corporations to run their political system, they don't have a diabetes epidemic going on and they have far higher literacy rates and a longer life expectancy and best of all, they are science based not money based.

 

I've lived in Europe and they are MUCH healthier and most of my digestive and other health issues disappeared when I lived there.

Guess who the police state is now.... this country.

This is what happens when crapitalism  becomes an oligarchy, for the rich and the rich alone. That makes the entirety of society suffer when they get away with literal murder.

Mr. Moss was able to obtain documents that support this entire story. Michael Moss stated, “What I found, over four years of research and reporting, was a conscious effort — taking place in labs and marketing meetings and grocery-store aisles — to get people hooked on foods that are convenient and inexpensive.” Mr. Moss interviewed over 300 people who had been involved, or were still involved, with the food industry. In this article, he relays examples of how certain foods were formulated to make products irresistible to consumers. Foods that he mentioned in the magazine article were Dr. Pepper soft drink, Prego spaghetti sauce, Lunchables with dessert, the line extension for Lay’s potato chips, and several other major processed foods.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/04/26/990821079/cheap-legal-and-everywhere-how-food-companies-get-us-hooked-on-junk
 

Capitalism is not the problem, its corruption.  Don't think there is less corruption in socialist states.  

[LibertyBell]

3 minutes ago, Dark Star said:

Capitalism is not the problem, its corruption.  Don't think there is less corruption in socialist states.  

There's less possibilities of corruption with proper regulations in place and also corporations should never be allowed to have the rights of people (that includes no first amendment rights for corporations aka the horrible citizens united decision.)

So in that sense both extreme capitalism and extreme socialism are bad, the proper and most sustainable system is a mixed economy which contains the best parts of both.

[Wxoutlooksblog]

5 minutes ago, Dark Star said:

Capitalism is not the problem, its corruption.  Don't think there is less corruption in socialist states.  

Capitalism is definitely a part of the problem.

WX/PT

[LibertyBell]

Just now, Wxoutlooksblog said:

Capitalism is definitely a part of the problem.

WX/PT

I do like the distinction between corrupt crony capitalism and with a system that works properly (that is, a mixed economy.)

[donsutherland1]

2 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

Don, was there a snow storm in the 1980s (somewhere around 1987), October 10th if I remember correctly that caused a lot of tree damage in the Hudson Valley? Did NYC get a trace out of that Don? That might be our earliest Trace of snow if so?

 

Given the storm track and accounts of the storm, there was no snow in the New York City area. New York City almost certainly experienced heavy wind-driven rain. The wharves along the East River were likely swamped by the storm tide. Streets and buildings in lower Manhattan and along the East River were likely flooded. Many trees were likely uprooted with others having limbs torn down. Ships were driven aground.

I asked AI to generate an image of the storm in NYC at the time. Here's what it came up with:

[Wxoutlooksblog]

7 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

I do like the distinction between corrupt crony capitalism and with a system that works properly (that is, a mixed economy.)

We have this situation where it began with corporations corrupting our system then evolved to global corporations then foreign interest lobbies like AIPAC. The effect is that of creating legalized bribery of all our political leaders to a point at which almost all of them are corrupted & need to be replaced. Of course their staying in office until their death doesn't help.

WX/PT

[gravitylover]

58 minutes ago, Stormlover74 said:

And today barely counts as it will be under half an inch for most. 

I dunno man, there's an absolute explosion of greening up and leafing out happening RIGHT NOW. Buds that were just gradually popping the last 2 days are open, dry dusty patches in the yard have grass(?) growing today and lots of flowers on a variety of strawberries opened about an hour ago. 

[LibertyBell]

15 minutes ago, Wxoutlooksblog said:

We have this situation where it began with corporations corrupting our system then evolved to global corporations then foreign interest lobbies like AIPAC. The effect is that of creating legalized bribery of all our political leaders to a point at which almost all of them are corrupted & need to be replaced. Of course their staying in office until their death doesn't help.

WX/PT

Exactly and on top of that we see the results today with the decisions being made, income disparity has increased 500X between the 80s and now, we now have a diabetes epidemic, rising rates of cancer among younger people, rising rates of gun violence, etc.

[LibertyBell]

1 minute ago, gravitylover said:

I dunno man, there's an absolute explosion of greening up and leafing out happening RIGHT NOW. Buds that were just gradually popping the last 2 days are open, dry dusty patches in the yard have grass(?) growing today and lots of flowers on a variety of strawberries opened about an hour ago. 

Everything seems to be right on schedule, we're normally completely leafed out by May 1st.

[LibertyBell]

24 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said:

Given the storm track and accounts of the storm, there was no snow in the New York City area. New York City almost certainly experienced heavy wind-driven rain. The wharves along the East River were likely swamped by the storm tide. Streets and buildings in lower Manhattan and along the East River were likely flooded. Many trees were likely uprooted with others having limbs torn down. Ships were driven aground.

I asked AI to generate an image of the storm in NYC at the time. Here's what it came up with:

Which storm was this Don? October 1804?

Would the skies really be that dark? WOW!

 

[donsutherland1]

25 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Which storm was this Don? October 1804?

Would the skies really be that dark? WOW!

 

That would be the October 1804 storm. It's a generated sketch.

[winterwx21]

1 hour ago, Stormlover74 said:

And today barely counts as it will be under half an inch for most. 

Only .12 here so far, and radar doesn't look promising. Slight chance we get hit by a downpour this afternoon. If not we're going to end up with less than a quarter inch, which would be pretty disappointing. 

[Brian5671]

2 minutes ago, winterwx21 said:

Only .12 here so far, and radar doesn't look promising. Slight chance we get hit by a downpour this afternoon. If not we're going to end up with less than a quarter inch, which would be pretty disappointing. 

models keep most of it north of NYC  rest of day/eve

[Stormlover74]

7 minutes ago, winterwx21 said:

Only .12 here so far, and radar doesn't look promising. Slight chance we get hit by a downpour this afternoon. If not we're going to end up with less than a quarter inch, which would be pretty disappointing. 

Yeah big euro bust. It had 1"+ yesterday 

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

8 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

models keep most of it north of NYC  rest of day/eve

Yep. I was just working on my veggie garden and what ya know, the soil is still dust 6” down. I really hope this isn’t another annoying dry period starting. Can’t go away for more then a couple days without potentially loosing my veggies. If you want premium plants watering has to be on point. I rent, and my land lords are nice enough to let me have my garden, but I can’t install permanent irrigation. 

[Wxoutlooksblog]

The first 2 weeks of May looks to be on the wetter side. I think there will be a process of the fast west to east jet breaking down whereby initially we may see a few cut-off upper lows sitting over portions of the mid west or southeastern states. For most of April we've seen a ridge/Bermuda HP try to develop off the southeast coast and I think that's going to take a bit of a vacation as a strong southeasterly flow tends to set up over our region. It looks like near normal temperatures and above normal precipitation for most of the first half of May. It will be humid.

WX/PT

[psv88]

Got a new Davis PWS for the new house. My old Davis still working at the old house (we move in a month). I put the new station next to the old one and the readings are identical across the board. Pretty accurate weather stations, still the best IMO

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

Just had a super heavy downpour, so heavy that it sounded like hail. Just big rain drops, but it ripped for a few minutes. 

[Sundog]

2 hours ago, Wxoutlooksblog said:

We have this situation where it began with corporations corrupting our system then evolved to global corporations then foreign interest lobbies like AIPAC. The effect is that of creating legalized bribery of all our political leaders to a point at which almost all of them are corrupted & need to be replaced. Of course their staying in office until their death doesn't help.

WX/PT

 

AIPAC budget is like 10 million a year tops. 

Qatar has donated over 6 BILLION to American universities over the last 20 years. 

We should move this to banter. 

[Sundog]

Rain is a bust here

[Sundog]

Pretty humid out today, terrible day overall. I didn't even get good rains from all these batches so I can say it was worth it. 

[forkyfork]

1 hour ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

Yep. I was just working on my veggie garden and what ya know, the soil is still dust 6” down. I really hope this isn’t another annoying dry period starting. Can’t go away for more then a couple days without potentially loosing my veggies. If you want premium plants watering has to be on point. I rent, and my land lords are nice enough to let me have my garden, but I can’t install permanent irrigation. 

i can't stand these spells where everything just shuts off

[Picard]

Yeah, looks like nothing is coming of it, other than a few spritzes or a brief downpour.  
Looks like I'll be watering.

[MANDA]

1 hour ago, winterwx21 said:

Only .12 here so far, and radar doesn't look promising. Slight chance we get hit by a downpour this afternoon. If not we're going to end up with less than a quarter inch, which would be pretty disappointing. 

Little better here with .39" as of 7:30 this morning.  Doesn't look like much additional unless like you said a heavier downpour delivers.

Disappointing and not going to help the dryness to any degree. 

Temperatures look to be on the the cooler or at least seasonable side as we open May.