April 2025 Discussion/Obs

[Sundog]

3 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

Were they broad leaf evergreens? They are very prone to burning during cold winds. This winter had a ton of that. If they weren’t it was probably stress from the drought last fall. 

I have a Camellia almost 20 feet tall that's doing well. Currently it's full of big deep pink flowers. 

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

21 minutes ago, Sundog said:

I have a Camellia almost 20 feet tall that's doing well. Currently it's full of big deep pink flowers. 

Nice, they just barely make it at our latitude. One late 1800s winter and they would be adios. At Planting Fields arboretum their Camillia collection was in a greenhouse for that reason. Crape Myrtle is another popular example of a southern species now thriving here. The deeper the color the more prone to cold. I have a red that died back to the ground after Feb 15. Grew back and is now tree size again. Seems to be doing fine, just pruned it yesterday.

[forkyfork]

32 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

Were they broad leaf evergreens? They are very prone to burning during cold winds. This winter had a ton of that. If they weren’t it was probably stress from the drought last fall. 

there's an apartment building near me with a row of newly planted magnolias and the exposed ones are toast

[FPizz]

32 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

Were they broad leaf evergreens? They are very prone to burning during cold winds. This winter had a ton of that. If they weren’t it was probably stress from the drought last fall. 

One 6' green giant arborvitae and 2 butterfly bushes.  The butterfly ones are still alive, but like 90% of both died.  

[Dark Star]

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

Oligarchies are worse

 

This is the American oligarchy 

https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf

https://act.represent.us/sign/usa-oligarchy-research-explained

The link says scholar.princeton, so I won't be able to understand it.  They are too intellectually advanced for me.  

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

29 minutes ago, FPizz said:

One 6' green giant arborvitae and 2 butterfly bushes.  The butterfly ones are still alive, but like 90% of both died.  

Green Giant Arb is a pretty hardy plant. Hard to pin down exactly what killed it. The Butterfly bushes are fine, just remove the dead wood and you should get most of it back this season. Essentially a weed.

[FPizz]

10 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

Green Giant Arb is a pretty hardy plant. Hard to pin down exactly what killed it. The Butterfly bushes are fine, just remove the dead wood and you should get most of it back this season. Essentially a weed.

Its funny, I planted 3 butterfly bushes at the same time about 6 years ago.  All 3 got huge by year 3, but then the 2 in my front yard the past 2 years took major hits.  I plan on removing the dead parts today.  We put in 4 arborvitae's last year.  I think the dry conditions might have been the problem for it.  I was watering them, but maybe that one was just weaker or something.  I don't mind having to replace 1.  The other 3 look good thankfully.  

[gravitylover]

So, my wife has a booth at a craft fair in Parsippany tomorrow and I keep trying to tell her it's going to rain, maybe not an all out washout but it's not just a few passing showers that might miss. What say ye, waste of time wet or is her optimism justified?

[Brian5671]

27 minutes ago, gravitylover said:

So, my wife has a booth at a craft fair in Parsippany tomorrow and I keep trying to tell her it's going to rain, maybe not an all out washout but it's not just a few passing showers that might miss. What say ye, waste of time wet or is her optimism justified?

the NAMS show it ending earlier than some models but I would say the period from 8am to 2pm is a washout

[bluewave]

Looks like some much needed rainfall tomorrow. HRRR has 3 rounds of convection. First batch of elevated convection early tomorrow morning with the warm front. Then another round of storms midday with the cold front which becomes more surface based.  Which will be followed by more storms in the evening. Also expect windy conditions again lingering into Sunday.

[MANDA]

Hoping for a 1" soaking.  Will take .5" but will be disappointed with anything less.  Soil is dry.

[SACRUS]

 

82 today clouds now some showers into EPA/NJ.  . 

[SACRUS]

 

[LibertyBell]

7 hours ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

Green Giant Arb is a pretty hardy plant. Hard to pin down exactly what killed it. The Butterfly bushes are fine, just remove the dead wood and you should get most of it back this season. Essentially a weed.

it's great to be talking about trees on Arbor Day!

[LibertyBell]

39 minutes ago, bluewave said:

Looks like some much needed rainfall tomorrow. HRRR has 3 rounds of convection. First batch of elevated convection early tomorrow morning with the warm front. Then another round of storms midday with the cold front which becomes more surface based.  Which will be followed by more storms in the evening. Also expect windy conditions again lingering into Sunday.

Heaviest rain and highest totals to our NW?

[SACRUS]

Records:

Highs:

EWR:  91 (1960)
NYC: 91 (1915)
LGA: 88 (2009)
JFK: 88 (1960)


Lows:

EWR: 34 (1936)
NYC: 29 (1919)
LGA: 36 (1971)
JFK: 34 (2001)

Historical:

 

1875 - New York City received three inches of snow, the latest measurable snow of record for that location. (David Ludlum)

1898 - The temperature at Volcano Springs CA hit 118 degrees to establish a U.S. record for the month of April. (The Weather Channel)

1910 - Chicago, IL, was blanketed with 2.5 inches of snow, and a total of 6.5 inches between the 22nd and the 26th. It was the latest significant snow of record for the city. (The Weather Channel)

1920 - Atlanta, GA, received 1.5 inches of snow, and experienced their latest freeze of record with a morning low of 32 degrees. The high of just 39 degrees was only their second daily high colder than 40 degrees in April. (The Weather Channel)

1984 - A late season snowstorm struck the Northern Rockies and the Northern Plains. The storm produced some unsually high snowfall totals. The town of Lead, located in the Black Hills of western South Dakota, was buried under 67 inches of snow. Red Lodge, located in the mountains of southern Montana, reported 72 inches of snow. Up to 60 inches blanketed the mountains of northern Wyoming. It was rated the worst late season storm of record for much of the affected area. (25th-28th) (Storm Data) (The Weather Channel)

1987 - Low pressure off the coast of North Carolina produced heavy rain flooding creeks in the foothills and the piedmont area, before moving out to sea. The low pressure system also produced wind gusts to 50 mph in Virginia. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1988 - Thunderstorms racing at 65 mph produced large hail in Alabama and Georgia. Hail damage in Alabama was estimated at fifty million dollars, making it their worst weather disaster since Hurricane Frederick in 1979. Hail three inches in diameter accompanied a tornado near Valdosta GA. Hail four and a half inches in diameter was reported south of Atlanta GA. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1989 - Thunderstorms developing along a stationary front produced severe weather from North Carolina to Indiana and Ohio, with more than 70 reports of large hail and damaging winds. A strong (F-2) tornado hit Xenia OH injuring 16 persons and causing more than a million dollars damage. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1990 - Thunderstorms produced severe weather from Texas to Nebraska. Thunderstorms spawned fifteen tornadoes, including a powerful (F-4) tornado near Weatherford TX. Between 3 PM and 8 PM, a storm complex tracking northeastward across central Kansas spawned four tornadoes along a 119-mile path from Ness to Smith Center, with the last tornado on the ground for 55 miles. Del Rio TX was raked with hail two inches in diameter, and wind gusts to 112 mph. Brown County and Commanche County in Texas were deluged with up to 18 inches of rain, and flooding caused more than 65 million dollars damage. Two dozen cities in the north central U.S. reported record high temperatures for the date. Highs of 87 degrees at Flint MI and 90 degrees at Alpena MI were records for April. (Storm Data) (The National Weather Summary)

2008 - Anchorage, AK, receives a record 17.2 inches at the airport and 22 inches in northeast Anchorage from the 25th to 26th. The 15.5 inches on the 25th makes it the third most received on any one day in Anchorage.

[forkyfork]

i can smell the wildfire smoke behind the sea breeze

[nycwinter]

already did not like these warm days this week i wish i could live on the north slope of alaska to escape the warmth of late spring and summer currently 11 degrees in barrow alaska my kind of temp..

[LibertyBell]

27 minutes ago, forkyfork said:

i can smell the wildfire smoke behind the sea breeze

the sky has been pale yellow all day

this fire was set by a 19 yr old kid on purpose?

No one under 21 should be allowed outside their house unattended.

 

[donsutherland1]

Tomorrow will be another warm day with temperatures topping out in the lower and middle 70s. Showers and thundershowers will likely bring a moderate rainfall tomorrow into Sunday morning. The region will generally see 0.35"-0.85" of rain with some locally higher amounts. Sunday will be the coolest day of the weekend with the temperature struggling to reach 60°.

Temperatures will rebound into the 70s early next week. April will end on a warmer than normal note.

The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was +0.6°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was -0.2°C for the week centered around April 16. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged +1.08°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged 0.00°C. Neutral ENSO conditions will likely continue through at least early summer.

Early indications are that summer 2025 will be warmer than normal in the New York City and Philadelphia areas. The potential exists for a much warmer than normal summer (more than 1° above normal).

The SOI was -1.01 today.

The preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) was -0.611 today.

Based on sensitivity analysis applied to the latest guidance, there is an implied 95% probability that New York City will have a warmer than normal April (1991-2020 normal). April will likely finish with a mean temperature near 55.0° (1.3° above normal).

 

[LibertyBell]

46 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

Records:

Highs:

EWR:  91 (1960)
NYC: 91 (1915)
LGA: 88 (2009)
JFK: 88 (1960)


Lows:

EWR: 34 (1936)
NYC: 29 (1919)
LGA: 36 (1971)
JFK: 34 (2001)

Historical:

 

1875 - New York City received three inches of snow, the latest measurable snow of record for that location. (David Ludlum)

1898 - The temperature at Volcano Springs CA hit 118 degrees to establish a U.S. record for the month of April. (The Weather Channel)

1910 - Chicago, IL, was blanketed with 2.5 inches of snow, and a total of 6.5 inches between the 22nd and the 26th. It was the latest significant snow of record for the city. (The Weather Channel)

1920 - Atlanta, GA, received 1.5 inches of snow, and experienced their latest freeze of record with a morning low of 32 degrees. The high of just 39 degrees was only their second daily high colder than 40 degrees in April. (The Weather Channel)

1984 - A late season snowstorm struck the Northern Rockies and the Northern Plains. The storm produced some unsually high snowfall totals. The town of Lead, located in the Black Hills of western South Dakota, was buried under 67 inches of snow. Red Lodge, located in the mountains of southern Montana, reported 72 inches of snow. Up to 60 inches blanketed the mountains of northern Wyoming. It was rated the worst late season storm of record for much of the affected area. (25th-28th) (Storm Data) (The Weather Channel)

1987 - Low pressure off the coast of North Carolina produced heavy rain flooding creeks in the foothills and the piedmont area, before moving out to sea. The low pressure system also produced wind gusts to 50 mph in Virginia. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1988 - Thunderstorms racing at 65 mph produced large hail in Alabama and Georgia. Hail damage in Alabama was estimated at fifty million dollars, making it their worst weather disaster since Hurricane Frederick in 1979. Hail three inches in diameter accompanied a tornado near Valdosta GA. Hail four and a half inches in diameter was reported south of Atlanta GA. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1989 - Thunderstorms developing along a stationary front produced severe weather from North Carolina to Indiana and Ohio, with more than 70 reports of large hail and damaging winds. A strong (F-2) tornado hit Xenia OH injuring 16 persons and causing more than a million dollars damage. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1990 - Thunderstorms produced severe weather from Texas to Nebraska. Thunderstorms spawned fifteen tornadoes, including a powerful (F-4) tornado near Weatherford TX. Between 3 PM and 8 PM, a storm complex tracking northeastward across central Kansas spawned four tornadoes along a 119-mile path from Ness to Smith Center, with the last tornado on the ground for 55 miles. Del Rio TX was raked with hail two inches in diameter, and wind gusts to 112 mph. Brown County and Commanche County in Texas were deluged with up to 18 inches of rain, and flooding caused more than 65 million dollars damage. Two dozen cities in the north central U.S. reported record high temperatures for the date. Highs of 87 degrees at Flint MI and 90 degrees at Alpena MI were records for April. (Storm Data) (The National Weather Summary)

2008 - Anchorage, AK, receives a record 17.2 inches at the airport and 22 inches in northeast Anchorage from the 25th to 26th. The 15.5 inches on the 25th makes it the third most received on any one day in Anchorage.

1875 - New York City received three inches of snow, the latest measurable snow of record for that location. (David Ludlum)

 

LONG LIVE APRIL 1875!  I JUST FIND IT A LITTLE WEIRD THAT THEIR LATEST MEASURABLE SNOWFALL WAS 3 INCHES LOL.  NORMALLY YOU'D EXPECT A MUCH SMALLER AMOUNT TO BE THE LATEST MEASURABLE SNOWFALL, I THINK IF WE GO FURTHER BACK INTO NEW YORK CITY HISTORY WE'LL FIND MEASURABLE SNOWFALL IN MAY.  I'M SURPRISED THERE WASN'T ANY ON MAY 9 1977 WHEN PROVIDENCE, RI GOT 7 INCHES.

[GaWx]

23 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

1875 - New York City received three inches of snow, the latest measurable snow of record for that location. (David Ludlum)

 

LONG LIVE APRIL 1875!  I JUST FIND IT A LITTLE WEIRD THAT THEIR LATEST MEASURABLE SNOWFALL WAS 3 INCHES LOL.  NORMALLY YOU'D EXPECT A MUCH SMALLER AMOUNT TO BE THE LATEST MEASURABLE SNOWFALL, I THINK IF WE GO FARTHER BACK INTO NEW YORK CITY HISTORY WE'LL FIND MEASURABLE SNOWFALL IN MAY.  I'M SURPRISED THERE WASN'T ANY ON MAY 9 1977 WHEN PROVIDENCE, RI GOT 7 INCHES.

Believe it or not, the latest measurable (and non-measurable for that matter) snowfall way down at Atlanta is also on April 25th! It was on 4/25/1910 and is what I consider to be the freakest wx event of any kind in recorded Atlanta history, which goes back to 1878-9. They got 1.5”! It wouldn’t surprise me if this was a 1 in 1,000 year event. It almost had to have been a very strong bowling ball-ish upper level low.

[Rjay]

10 hours ago, Brian5671 said:

Leaves really popping here with the recent warmth.    Seems a bit earlier than usual

Trees are about 5-7 days early in my area. 

[LibertyBell]

51 minutes ago, GaWx said:

Believe it or not, the latest measurable (and non-measurable for that matter) snowfall way down at Atlanta is also on April 25th! It was on 4/25/1910 and is what I consider to be the freakest wx event of any kind in recorded Atlanta history, which goes back to 1878-9. They got 1.5”! It wouldn’t surprise me if this was a 1 in 1,000 year event. It almost had to have been a very strong bowling ball-ish upper level low.

This almost sounds like the very early season event NYC had in October 2011 which dumped 3 inches of snow (coincidentally enough.)  I don't know if this was NYC's earliest snowfall but if it was, it would be funny if the earliest and latest NYC snowfalls were both 3 inches!!!

 

[rclab]

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

the sky has been pale yellow all day

this fire was set by a 19 yr old kid on purpose?

No one under 21 should be allowed outside their house unattended.

 

Good evening Liberty. With that line of reasoning the next rule will apply to anyone over 75. On the upside I’d be spending more time with three of my girlfriends ….. PS 5, XBOX and Switch. Stay well, as always …..

 

 

[donsutherland1]

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

1875 - New York City received three inches of snow, the latest measurable snow of record for that location. (David Ludlum)

 

LONG LIVE APRIL 1875!  I JUST FIND IT A LITTLE WEIRD THAT THEIR LATEST MEASURABLE SNOWFALL WAS 3 INCHES LOL.  NORMALLY YOU'D EXPECT A MUCH SMALLER AMOUNT TO BE THE LATEST MEASURABLE SNOWFALL, I THINK IF WE GO FURTHER BACK INTO NEW YORK CITY HISTORY WE'LL FIND MEASURABLE SNOWFALL IN MAY.  I'M SURPRISED THERE WASN'T ANY ON MAY 9 1977 WHEN PROVIDENCE, RI GOT 7 INCHES.

There very likely was measurable snowfall on May 4, 1812. The newspapers described a violent snowstorm (likely heavy wet snow) that was "among the rarities of the season." The reports noted that the snow fell all day and accumulated.

[gravitylover]

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

the sky has been pale yellow all day

this fire was set by a 19 yr old kid on purpose?

No one under 21 should be allowed outside their house unattended.

 

Because 21 year olds are so much wiser and their actions are always so well thought out...

[JerseyWx]

55 minutes ago, Rjay said:

Trees are about 5-7 days early in my area. 

I'm speculating but I'd say it seems almost 2 weeks here.  Lot of stuff is purely green already.  Also the pollen is wicked and usually doesn't kick in for me like this until May lol.

[steve392]

30 minutes ago, JerseyWx said:

I'm speculating but I'd say it seems almost 2 weeks here.  Lot of stuff is purely green already.  Also the pollen is wicked and usually doesn't kick in for me like this until May lol.

Easily 2 weeks ahead.  Trees with full canopies by me.  Green coatings on everything. 

[SRRTA22]

4 hours ago, nycwinter said:

already did not like these warm days this week i wish i could live on the north slope of alaska to escape the warmth of late spring and summer currently 11 degrees in barrow alaska my kind of temp..

You and @winterwarlockare arch nemesis 

It's a beautiful night out there with some sprinkles and a hint of campfire. No complaints from me. Not one bit