April 2025 Discussion/Obs

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

Gorgeous sunset just now, very vivid.

 

[Wannabehippie]

2 hours ago, Stormlover74 said:

Big time

Wow. I hope they get it under control quickly.

 

[LibertyBell]

1 hour ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

Gorgeous sunset just now, very vivid.

 

wow this is absolutely amazing, I saw it too, in the northwest.

you took this image with your cell phone?

[LibertyBell]

3 hours ago, Sundog said:

Back up to 76 degrees. Oh well. 

At least lows are still comfortable. 

I dread the lows of 75+ degrees with a 70+ dewpoint that have become all too common. 

we're going to have to learn how to pump that shit into outer space.

They did a whole thing on ABC today for Earth Day about a certain kind of sand that absorbs CO2.  If sand can absorb CO2 and remove it from the air, then we can also pump excess water vapor into outer space.  Get rid of two greenhouse gases at once.

 

[LibertyBell]

4 hours ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

Yeah that’s part of it too. Plus plants aren’t fans of chlorine and fluorine.  

thats exactly why you need a whole home multistage filter (one of many reasons).

[Wannabehippie]

54 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

we're going to have to learn how to pump that shit into outer space.

They did a whole thing on ABC today for Earth Day about a certain kind of sand that absorbs CO2.  If sand can absorb CO2 and remove it from the air, then we can also pump excess water vapor into outer space.  Get rid of two greenhouse gases at once.

 

I would rather find a way to capture that water vapor so it can be converted to clean drinking water.

[LibertyBell]

6 hours ago, Wannabehippie said:

I would rather find a way to capture that water vapor so it can be converted to clean drinking water.

Probably a better idea, I think small scale versions of that are already happening.

 

[Sundog]

30 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Probably a better idea, I think small scale versions of that are already happening.

 

If we reduce CO2 levels (no chance lol) then water vapor will also reduce naturally. No need to do anything about the water vapor. 

[ag3]

High of 82.8 degrees yesterday on my station.

Incredible weather.

[SACRUS]

 

Highs 4.22

 

 

EWR: 83
NYC: 82
LGA: 82
TEB: 82
ACY: 82
BLM: 81
PHL: 80
New Brnswck: 79
TTN: 76
JFK: 75
ISP: 72

[bluewave]

Repeating pattern going forward. Warmer weather next several days before the next cold front. Then stronger winds over 30 mph or 40 mph yet again.

 

[Monty]

I'm a little late on the tree talk, but when there's police reports of someone driving copper nails into all the invasive pear trees across NJ ... Know it was me. 

[Sundog]

1 hour ago, ag3 said:

High of 82.8 degrees yesterday on my station.

Incredible weather.

Too hot, had to turn on the AC. 

[LibertyBell]

1 hour ago, Sundog said:

If we reduce CO2 levels (no chance lol) then water vapor will also reduce naturally. No need to do anything about the water vapor. 

Looks like most of the processes in place are to remove CO2 from the air rather than cutting down on fossil fuels.

Removing water vapor to make more drinking water has a lot of merit and could help a lot of people that don't have access to clean drinking water around the world.

 

[LibertyBell]

20 minutes ago, Monty said:

I'm a little late on the tree talk, but when there's police reports of someone driving copper nails into all the invasive pear trees across NJ ... Know it was me. 

it's a great idea for the Tree From Hell too lol

[jm1220]

2 hours ago, Sundog said:

If we reduce CO2 levels (no chance lol) then water vapor will also reduce naturally. No need to do anything about the water vapor. 

Way beyond any of our lifetimes obviously, but in a couple hundred million years the Sun will heat up to an extent that our oceans will evaporate away. Our magnetic field will keep the water vapor from being leached out into space so our planet will be a gigantic pressurized teakettle pretty much. It’ll be hot like Venus but even more pressurized because of the water vapor. Fun! 

Of course the immediate problem is CO2 and methane which will kill us a lot sooner if we don’t get it under control. 

[bluewave]

15 hours ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

Hands down the best severe thunderstorm I have ever experienced. I was life guarding at Eisenhower park. It got so dark inside the aquatic center that everyone got out of the pool, indoors! I was able to run outside and watched garbage cans get launched into the building. It was also covered in that green leaf paste you only see with high end winds. 

Yeah, Labor Day 1998 was probably the top ranking derecho when you include NYC and Long Island. The speed at which it turned from day to night with darkness of the clouds really stood out. Many boaters were caught off guard as the storm swept in so fast. Spoke to friends who saw how dark the sky had become and immediately ran down into the basement.

The September 2010 event was very impressive but more narrowly focused in NYC. My top ranked event for continuous lighting was 5-31 to 6-1-85. That began as one of the most severe tornado outbreaks in PA before evolving into a squall line with record lightning flash rates.

[gravitylover]

So what are we thinking for Saturday? Will it be more wet than dry? 

[LibertyBell]

23 minutes ago, bluewave said:

Yeah, Labor Day 1998 was probably the top ranking derecho when you include NYC and Long Island. The speed at which it turned from day to night with darkness of the clouds really stood out. Many boaters were caught off guard as the storm swept in so fast. Spoke to friends who saw how dark the sky had become and immediately ran down into the basement.

The September 2010 event was very impressive but more narrowly focused in NYC. My top ranked event for continuous lighting was 5-31 to 6-1-85. That began as one of the most severe tornado outbreaks in PA before evolving into a squall line with record lightning flash rates.

Didn't 1998 also have another big severe weather outbreak around Memorial Day?  So strange to have them bookend summer like that-- both Memorial Day AND Labor Day!

Also going back, does anyone remember the historic October 1989 outbreak? I feel like that entire month was extremely windy and all our leaves were down by Halloween (got any stats on that Chris-- was October 1989 one of our windiest months)?  People remember the tragic deaths of 10 children up in Westchester at Coldenham -- that was part of a nationwide severe weather outbreak wasn't it?  What was going on that month that made it so bad?

[cleetussnow]

31 minutes ago, gravitylover said:

So what are we thinking for Saturday? Will it be more wet than dry? 

Depends how much co2 and water vapor these guys vent into space this week.  I guess

[Dark Star]

11 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

we're going to have to learn how to pump that shit into outer space.

They did a whole thing on ABC today for Earth Day about a certain kind of sand that absorbs CO2.  If sand can absorb CO2 and remove it from the air, then we can also pump excess water vapor into outer space.  Get rid of two greenhouse gases at once.

 

Dunno.  The theory is that the oceans were absorbing the CO2 for a while, which would explain the brief cooldown during the early 1980's?  Recently, NJ wanted to install a sequestration operation where they would take CO2 from nearby plants in Linden, and pipe into the underground sea caverns in the Atlantic.  What would have prevented the gas from dislodging and percolating back to the surface?  Christie nixed the idea (probably a good thing?)

[Dark Star]

59 minutes ago, jm1220 said:

Way beyond any of our lifetimes obviously, but in a couple hundred million years the Sun will heat up to an extent that our oceans will evaporate away. Our magnetic field will keep the water vapor from being leached out into space so our planet will be a gigantic pressurized teakettle pretty much. It’ll be hot like Venus but even more pressurized because of the water vapor. Fun! 

Of course the immediate problem is CO2 and methane which will kill us a lot sooner if we don’t get it under control. 

CO2 and Methane will not directly have an effect on human health.  It is a matter of time when the warming effect will melt the ice caps enough to begin flooding coastal areas, permanently.  Sorry, but I won't be around to see it...

[LibertyBell]

29 minutes ago, Dark Star said:

Dunno.  The theory is that the oceans were absorbing the CO2 for a while, which would explain the brief cooldown during the early 1980's?  Recently, NJ wanted to install a sequestration operation where they would take CO2 from nearby plants in Linden, and pipe into the underground sea caverns in the Atlantic.  What would have prevented the gas from dislodging and percolating back to the surface?  Christie nixed the idea (probably a good thing?)

Look at this, this is going to happen.

 

https://x.com/i/trending/1915031013295878203

 

UK Set to Experiment with Sun Dimming Against Climate Change

Last updated 23 minutes ago

The UK Government is reportedly preparing to approve geoengineering experiments aimed at mitigating global warming by reducing sunlight reaching the Earth. These experiments, which might include techniques like aerosol injection and cloud brightening, have sparked a mix of reactions from skepticism to outright opposition on social media. Critics are voicing concerns about the lack of transparency, potential global effects, and the adequacy of these methods in addressing climate change.

[Stormlover74]

1 hour ago, bluewave said:

Yeah, Labor Day 1998 was probably the top ranking derecho when you include NYC and Long Island. The speed at which it turned from day to night with darkness of the clouds really stood out. Many boaters were caught off guard as the storm swept in so fast. Spoke to friends who saw how dark the sky had become and immediately ran down into the basement.

The September 2010 event was very impressive but more narrowly focused in NYC. My top ranked event for continuous lighting was 5-31 to 6-1-85. That began as one of the most severe tornado outbreaks in PA before evolving into a squall line with record lightning flash rates.

Yeah the only F5 to ever hit PA was during that 85 outbreak

[LibertyBell]

1 minute ago, Stormlover74 said:

Yeah the only F5 to ever hit PA was during that 85 outbreak

western or eastern?

[LibertyBell]

https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1914995234892546508

 

NEW - Experiments to "dim sunlight to fight global warming" will be given the green light by the British government within weeks.

https://t.co/ioBL0llDmR

[Sundog]

10 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Look at this, this is going to happen.

 

https://x.com/i/trending/1915031013295878203

 

UK Set to Experiment with Sun Dimming Against Climate Change

Last updated 23 minutes ago

The UK Government is reportedly preparing to approve geoengineering experiments aimed at mitigating global warming by reducing sunlight reaching the Earth. These experiments, which might include techniques like aerosol injection and cloud brightening, have sparked a mix of reactions from skepticism to outright opposition on social media. Critics are voicing concerns about the lack of transparency, potential global effects, and the adequacy of these methods in addressing climate change.

I am a supporter of aerosol injection into the stratosphere. It is suprisingly feasible and not outrageously expensive. 

I only support it because there is no way that we are not only stopping CO2 emissions, but even reduce them from the atmosphere. The USA is not the world. Most emissions come from China and India. 

I also want a ton of nuclear plants built. But for some reason environmentalists are against both nuclear and aersol injections. I consider myself a pragmatist. Obviously ideally the world somehow reduces the greenhouse gas levels back to 1880 levels. But that's not happening and we need to do SOMETHING. To me, sitting idle is not an option. And again, we are not the world. We can't solve this on our own, even if we get down to zero emissions in the USA. At the same time, I want do move to renewable as much as possible worldwide so that we don't need to mask the warming effects with annual aerosol injections forever. 

I am also aware that masking the effects of the warming doesn't make greenhouse gases neutral. They will still acidify the oceans for example. But that's happening anyway, we might as well try to kill the heating effects at least. 

[Stormlover74]

5 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

western or eastern?

Eastern OH and western PA

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

13 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

wow this is absolutely amazing, I saw it too, in the northwest.

you took this image with your cell phone?

Yeah with my phone. I did increase the contrast and zoomed in. It was an especially vivid sunset. 

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

1 hour ago, Sundog said:

I am a supporter of aerosol injection into the stratosphere. It is suprisingly feasible and not outrageously expensive. 

I only support it because there is no way that we are not only stopping CO2 emissions, but even reduce them from the atmosphere. The USA is not the world. Most emissions come from China and India. 

I also want a ton of nuclear plants built. But for some reason environmentalists are against both nuclear and aersol injections. I consider myself a pragmatist. Obviously ideally the world somehow reduces the greenhouse gas levels back to 1880 levels. But that's not happening and we need to do SOMETHING. To me, sitting idle is not an option. And again, we are not the world. We can't solve this on our own, even if we get down to zero emissions in the USA. At the same time, I want do move to renewable as much as possible worldwide so that we don't need to mask the warming effects with annual aerosol injections forever. 

I am also aware that masking the effects of the warming doesn't make greenhouse gases neutral. They will still acidify the oceans for example. But that's happening anyway, we might as well try to kill the heating effects at least. 

I couldn’t agree more. Nuclear fission technology has advanced to a point that it is absolutely the way to go. Unfortunately countries like Germany would rather burn biomass like trees and have shut down their last remaining reactors. Chernobyl just did so much PR damage. The reality is that a repeat is a near zero chance with current tech. The real hope to stopping climate change in my eyes lies with fusion. The problem is it’s always 20 years out from a viability. Some progress has been made, like more energy output then input in the last few years but it’s just not viable yet. We can only hope we get there before it’s too late.