April 2025 Discussion/Obs

[FPizz]

5 hours ago, winterwx21 said:

Only 55 here right now. I don't think we're gonna make the forecasted low 60s today. Not a surprise that temps are underperforming with the clouds and wind off the ocean. I'm looking forward to the much warmer weather the rest of the week. 

Got to 62 here

[donsutherland1]

A few showers are possible tonight as a warm front moves across the region. It will again turn milder tomorrow. The generally mild weather will continue through the week. It will also remain mainly dry into at least the middle of the week. A moderate rainfall is possible during the weekend.

The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was +1.2°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was -0.1°C for the week centered around April 9. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged +1.25°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged +0.33°C. Neutral ENSO conditions will likely continue through at least late spring.

Early indications are that summer 2025 will be warmer than normal in the New York City and Philadelphia areas. The potential exists for a much warmer than normal summer (more than 1° above normal).

The SOI was +14.06 today.

The preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) was +0.131 today.

Based on sensitivity analysis applied to the latest guidance, there is an implied 60% probability that New York City will have a warmer than normal April (1991-2020 normal). April will likely finish with a mean temperature near 54.0° (0.3° above normal).

 

[Cfa]

Only made it to 59 here, I’m surprised it even went that high, the cloudiness made it feel like 40.

[psv88]

Only 57 today 

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

1 hour ago, Sundog said:

Just a couple years ago I had to cut down what was a healthy, large 60+ year old Ash tree because of the stupid Emerald Ash Borer. It was a gorgeous tree with a huge, solid shade. Then all within 3 years it went to hell. 

Just a couple months ago I had to cut down one of my Dogwoods because it hollowed out and was in danger of falling over even though it still had a pretty healthy canopy.  

I've been having terrible luck with trees the last 15 years. 

Wow, big White Ash are pretty rare this far south. Up north where they are plentiful the borer beetle has been nothing short of devastating. My uncle has a gorgeous property on 120 acres in NE Pa just south of Binghamton at 1900’ and Ash was the predominant tree. The fall foliage was spectacular. Now it’s a stick Forrest. I was up there in October and  cut down 30 decent size Ash’s nearest to the house. While that was fun for me, it’s an awful situation.

Im assuming you’re talking about an American Dogwood based on the rot pattern. Those too used to be very plentiful and have been dwindling over the years for various reasons.

[psv88]

1 hour ago, Sundog said:

Just a couple years ago I had to cut down what was a healthy, large 60+ year old Ash tree because of the stupid Emerald Ash Borer. It was a gorgeous tree with a huge, solid shade. Then all within 3 years it went to hell. 

Just a couple months ago I had to cut down one of my Dogwoods because it hollowed out and was in danger of falling over even though it still had a pretty healthy canopy.  

I've been having terrible luck with trees the last 15 years. 

Have to cut down a massive tree in my new yard. Tree itself has to be a 1/4 acre and its roots are ripping apart everything. I really hate to cut it down but I really have no choice, as it completely dominates the yard and is growing into the pool and buckling the patio 

[winterwx21]

3 hours ago, FPizz said:

Got to 62 here

It did manage to touch 60 here, but most of the afternoon was spent in the mid 50s. Felt chilly. 

[LibertyBell]

4 hours ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

That’s a pretty small impact except maybe locally in some suburbs that have strict planting and removal restrictions. The neighborhood I grew up in, in south Wantagh was completely tree covered in the 80s/90s. Between March 2010, Irene and Sandy we lost a tremendous amount of trees in a short time. After Sandy especially there was a panick of removals. Now there a very few trees in the entire neighborhood. Even in the wantagh woods which was known for its mature oaks and beech’s there are far, far fewer trees. Developers buy old houses on big lots, cut all the trees and build 2 McMansions. Again this is local, where I live now in Lynbrook there are still plenty of mature trees. 

I've read about male trees being a big problem because people are too lazy to plant female trees because they don't want to clean up after them.

 

[LibertyBell]

4 hours ago, Sundog said:

I lost a tremendous amount of large mature trees in my area starting with the Queens tornado in September 2010. 

My area is still pretty green but before 2010 you had to search for sunshine walking on the sidewalk. 

It's very saddening. 

We have these giant invasive trees here (I'm not sure what they are called) that are spreading like wildfire.  Completely cut off the sun and it's affected my planting.  Thinking of trimming the top off or just hiring someone to cut it down.

 

[LibertyBell]

4 hours ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

That’s a pretty small impact except maybe locally in some suburbs that have strict planting and removal restrictions. The neighborhood I grew up in, in south Wantagh was completely tree covered in the 80s/90s. Between March 2010, Irene and Sandy we lost a tremendous amount of trees in a short time. After Sandy especially there was a panick of removals. Now there a very few trees in the entire neighborhood. Even in the wantagh woods which was known for its mature oaks and beech’s there are far, far fewer trees. Developers buy old houses on big lots, cut all the trees and build 2 McMansions. Again this is local, where I live now in Lynbrook there are still plenty of mature trees. 

I wonder how much tree loss there was in September 1998 in Lynbrook when we had that severe wx outbreak on Labor Day and an F2 tornado directly hit Lynbrook.

That was our biggest severe wx outbreak for this area that I can remember.

[bluewave]

7 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

I wonder how much tree loss there was in September 1998 in Lynbrook when we had that severe wx outbreak on Labor Day and an F2 tornado directly hit Lynbrook.

That was our biggest severe wx outbreak for this area that I can remember.

It was nothing compared to all the tree damage which effectively began in March 2010. Which was followed up by the September 2010 Derecho in NYC then Irene in August 2011 and then the October 2011 snowstorm when the trees were still leafed out.

Sandy was the main event for trees especially in Long Beach when all the Sycamores had to be cut down due to the salt water root damage. Since Sandy we have seen periodic lesser events which have continued to damage the trees like Isaias back in 2021 and numerous other events.

Our winds continue to get stronger as we have seen with the record high average wind gusts since December. So tree preemptive tree removal near structures which could potentially fall in storms has become a big business. People just aren’t taking chances anymore. If the tree shows even the slightest damage or potential to fall on a house, people are just getting rid of them. 

[Brian5671]

8 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

We have these giant invasive trees here (I'm not sure what they are called) that are spreading like wildfire.  Completely cut off the sun and it's affected my planting.  Thinking of trimming the top off or just hiring someone to cut it down.

 

Tree of Heaven most likely?

[Brian5671]

12 hours ago, Sundog said:

Just a couple years ago I had to cut down what was a healthy, large 60+ year old Ash tree because of the stupid Emerald Ash Borer. It was a gorgeous tree with a huge, solid shade. Then all within 3 years it went to hell. 

Just a couple months ago I had to cut down one of my Dogwoods because it hollowed out and was in danger of falling over even though it still had a pretty healthy canopy.  

I've been having terrible luck with trees the last 15 years. 

Most of the ash trees here are long since dead.    Wiped them all out.    

[LibertyBell]

22 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

Tree of Heaven most likely?

Yes!  I call them the Tree from Hell.

[LibertyBell]

1 hour ago, bluewave said:

It was nothing compared to all the tree damage which effectively began in March 2010. Which was followed up by the September 2010 Derecho in NYC then Irene in August 2011 and then the October 2011 snowstorm when the trees were still leafed out.

Sandy was the main event for trees especially in Long Beach when all the Sycamores had to be cut down due to the salt water root damage. Since Sandy we have seen periodic lesser events which have continued to damage the trees like Isaias back in 2021 and numerous other events.

Our winds continue to get stronger as we have seen with the record high average wind gusts since December. So tree preemptive tree removal near structures which could potentially fall in storms has become a big business. People just aren’t taking chances anymore. If the tree shows even the slightest damage or potential to fall on a house, people are just getting rid of them. 

And also with more rainfall the winds required to topple over trees is less.  Now we're seeing trees come down in 40 mph gusts, which used to need 60 mph gusts to bring down.

[LibertyBell]

Still cloudy today, I hate it when fronts lag like this.

[SACRUS]

 

60 / 46 .  Cloulds clear before noon and off to the proverbial races upper 70s  / low 80s in the warmer spots.  Gorgeous stretch of weather through Friday.  Next shot at rain is Saturday where 025 - 0.50 is forecast.  Overall, warmer through the close of the month.

 

[SACRUS]

 

 

Records:
 

Highs:

EWR: 87 (1985)
NYC: 86 (2001)
LGA: 85 (2001)
JFK: 82 (2001)


Lows:

EWR: 32 (1947)
NYC: 28 (1875)
LGA: 33 (1947)
JFK: 36 (2021)

 

Historical:

 

1883 - An outbreak of tornadoes from Louisiana to Kansas claimed the lives to 200 persons. One of the tornadoes destroyed the town of Beauregard MS. (David Ludlum)

1978: Lightning sometimes strikes tents. In this case, a tent containing some sleeping Girl Scouts was hit by lightning as they were camping at DeGray Lake in Arkansas. Two of the Girl Scouts suffered minor burns.

1980 - A record April heat wave sent the mercury up to the 100 degree mark in Iowa. (The Weather Channel)

1987 - Fifteen cities in the southeastern U.S. reported new record high temperatures for the date. The afternoon high of 96 degrees at Pensacola FL established a record for the month of April. (The National Weather Summary)

1988 - Heavy snow fell over northern Nebraska, with 15 inches reported at Mullen. Heavy snow also blanketed the mountains of northern Arizona, with 16 inches reported at Munds Park. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1989 - Twenty-seven cities in the central U.S. reported record high temperatures for the date. The high of 96 degrees at Omaha was an April record, and the high of 100 degrees at Lubbock TX equalled their record for April. Hill City KS and Liberal KS tied for honors as the hot spot in the nation with afternoon highs of 103 degrees. (The National Weather Summary)

1990 - Thunderstorms produced severe weather from the Southern and Central High Plains to northwest Florida during the afternoon and evening. Thunderstorms produced wind gusts to 67 mph at Gillette WY, hail two inches in diameter west of Roswell NM, and deluged Cheyenne OK with 8.68 inches of rain leaving some parts of the town under five feet of water. Temperatures reached the low 90s in the north central U.S. Chamberlain SD and Pickstown SD tied Presidio TX for honors as the hot spot in the nation with afternoon highs of 94 degrees. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

 

1999: A one million dollar air charter Bowling 727 flew into large hail. Although the plane and it 66 occupants landed safely, the aircraft was declared a total loss.

2003: Tropical Storm Ana became the first Atlantic tropical storm since records began in 1871 to form during the month April. Maximum sustained winds reached 55 mph. Starting as a non-tropical area of low pressure on the 18th about 210 miles south-southwest of Bermuda, it was classified as a sub-tropical storm early on the 20th, it gained full tropical characteristics near 0000 UTC on the 21st, developing an "eye" feature.

2011 - Lambert International Airport in St. Louis experiences extensive damage as it is hit by a group of tornados, blowing out windows in the main terminal and tearing the roof off Concourse C. Five people were taken to the hospital with minor injuries from shattered glass and flying debris.

[SACRUS]

 

Next week  Sat (26th)  0.25 - 0.50 and then next week Wed wth the front (storms)

 

 

 

[FPizz]

32 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Yes!  I call them the Tree from Hell.

The spotted lanternfly's love those trees as well.  I had 4 in my back yard and 2 years in a row they were caked with the lanternfly's.  They pretty much killed them, so I had them taken down.  The only cool thing was that once they were almost dead, we had a pileated woodpecker doing a number on it.

[FPizz]

Just now, FPizz said:

The spotted lanternfly's love those trees as well.  I had 4 in my back yard and 2 years in a row they were caked with the lanternfly's.  They pretty much killed them, so I had them taken down.  The only cool thing was that once they were almost dead, we had a pileated woodpecker doing a number on it.

 

[FPizz]

Just now, FPizz said:

 

 

[Sundog]

4 minutes ago, FPizz said:

 

Wow this pic is crazy.

I consider the tree of heaven a weed tree, it grows in cracks in urban areas like a weed. It's also an ugly tree. For a tree lover like me it takes a lot for me to call a tree ugly lol

[Sundog]

My dogwood was a White Flowering Dogwood, I had two of them, one on each side of my front door and driveway. One of them is still ok I guess. But the other hollowed out and I was worried it would either fall on someone or fall on my driveway and crush the car.

  

[FPizz]

21 minutes ago, Sundog said:

Wow this pic is crazy.

I consider the tree of heaven a weed tree, it grows in cracks in urban areas like a weed. It's also an ugly tree. For a tree lover like me it takes a lot for me to call a tree ugly lol

Yeah, the ones I had were behind 2 giant pines that I have, so they weren't bothering me much.  Their leaves looked similar to the Eastern Black Walnut tree that was mixed in with them.  I was able to save that tree when the trees of heaven were removed.  

[IrishRob17]

33 minutes ago, FPizz said:

 

There's a ton of old dead ash trees around here that look just like that.

[LibertyBell]

51 minutes ago, FPizz said:

The spotted lanternfly's love those trees as well.  I had 4 in my back yard and 2 years in a row they were caked with the lanternfly's.  They pretty much killed them, so I had them taken down.  The only cool thing was that once they were almost dead, we had a pileated woodpecker doing a number on it.

omg two pests, this explains why I saw so many lanternflies here last summer.  One even got inside my house (I killed it immediately), but I see many of them flying around outside.

[LibertyBell]

52 minutes ago, FPizz said:

 

we need more woodpeckers!  I've only seen one here over the last few years, they will help control these weed trees and the lanternfly.

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

1 hour ago, FPizz said:

The spotted lanternfly's love those trees as well.  I had 4 in my back yard and 2 years in a row they were caked with the lanternfly's.  They pretty much killed them, so I had them taken down.  The only cool thing was that once they were almost dead, we had a pileated woodpecker doing a number on it.

Lantern flys shouldn’t be killing tree of Heaven as they are their natural hosts. They evolved together in China. Tree of Heaven was planted extensively in urban areas back in the early 1900s because of its extensive resistance to pollution. Much like Norway Maple. Both trees have become extremely invasive. In my opinion all should be removed when possible. This time of year it’s easy to see just how invasive, taking a ride on local highways. All that light green growth you see are the flowers of the Norway maple. In places it outcompetes all native trees and produces pure stands. Terrible for local fauna. Both trees also aren’t adapted to our coastal wind potential. They have weak wood and end up failing. 

[SACRUS]

 

Quickly to 68 here.