April 2025 Discussion/Obs

[LibertyBell]

10 hours ago, MJO812 said:

This weather is awesome. No Swamp ass.

dry heat does not produce *swamp ass*

[LibertyBell]

12 hours ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

 Cool 150,000,000$ that’s the asking price. It’s the highest residence in the world. It’s been sitting on the market for a while though last I heard.

I wonder if it's higher than that horrendous rectangular eyesore they built in Manhattan that looks like a giant middle finger? What is that monstrosity called-- something Park Avenue I think?

 

[bluewave]

18 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

we really don't need any more rain for a month.

I'm sure we will have a few more dry months, especially during the summer.

This is around the time it's supposed to rain.

We need to shift to a heavier than average rainfall regime to erase the drought.

 

[LibertyBell]

25 minutes ago, bluewave said:

We need to shift to a heavier than average rainfall regime to erase the drought.

 

We're already in a heavier than normal rainfall regime unfortunately. A light drought/D1 doesn't really matter around here.  I don't see it as a concern, we get plenty of rain as it is.  Our area does not need more than 40 inches of rain here.  The West needs rain MUCH more than we do.

If the argument is about fires, we really need to get rid of the excess greenery.

[bluewave]

Just now, LibertyBell said:

Not here, a light drought/D1 doesn't really matter around here.  I don't see it as a concern, we get plenty of rain as it is.  Our area does not need more than 40 inches of rain here.  The West needs rain MUCH more than we do.

Your local area rainfall is also a function of the general pattern across the U.S. which has been much drier than average. It’s not a major drought by any means since the NYC system is in good shape but some of the NJ reservoirs are lower than average. More of an issue for gardeners and agriculture. Plus it doesn’t take much drought in the warm season for a feedback situation to enhance the warmth. Like we saw in the summer of 2022 and the fall of 2019. Plus the record 80° warmth on Long Island a few weeks ago could have had some feedback influence when combined with the downslope flow. 

[Dark Star]

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

dry heat does not produce *swamp ass*

Feel free to conduct an inspection...

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

I wonder if it's higher than that horrendous rectangular eyesore they built in Manhattan that looks like a giant middle finger? What is that monstrosity called-- something Park Avenue I think?

 

Yes it’s higher. 1550’ for the Nordstrom tower vs 1396’ for 432 Park Ave. Both fully residential and have higher roof heights then 1 World Trade Center. While NYC no longer has the tallest buildings in the world it still has the highest residential buildings.

I think part of the reason they are having trouble selling that pent house is, it’s so high it’s often in the clouds. 

[LibertyBell]

11 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

Yes it’s higher. 1550’ for the Nordstrom tower vs 1396’ for 432 Park Ave. Both fully residential and have higher roof heights then 1 World Trade Center. While NYC no longer has the tallest buildings in the world it still has the highest residential buildings.

I think part of the reason they are having trouble selling that pent house is, it’s so high it’s often in the clouds. 

I really don't like that building 432 lol.  It should be called 666 ;-)

We never should have built those things they ruined the NYC skyline.

 

How do those supertall buildings hold up when we have an earthquake (like we had last April) or a  hurricane, I wonder?

[LibertyBell]

19 minutes ago, bluewave said:

Your local area rainfall is also a function of the general pattern across the U.S. which has been much drier than average. It’s not a major drought by any means since the NYC system is in good shape but some of the NJ reservoirs are lower than average. More of an issue for gardeners and agriculture. Plus it doesn’t take much drought in the warm season for a feedback situation to enhance the warmth. Like we saw in the summer of 2022 and the fall of 2019. Plus the record 80° warmth on Long Island a few weeks ago could have had some feedback influence when combined with the downslope flow. 

Yes I fully agree we need more rain in spring, but I really hope once we get to summer, our monthly rainfall goes down to 2-3 inches per month. I'm looking forward to some nice downslope dry heat this summer.  More rain often makes it more uncomfortable by raising the humidity and dew points. It also makes the bug and especially mosquito population explode.  I've noted far few bugs and especially no mosquitoes when we have dry heat.

Right now the rain is more needed, but super annoying to have it rain every weekend for multiple days.

1 inch of rain per week that only happened one day per week would be much nicer.

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

Yes spring is a completely useless season. I loved the 80s and 90s because we usually went straight from winter to summer.

Real spring weather is amazing. Having lived in Maryland for 4 years for college I miss those endless April days of sunny and 70s with low dews. Such a rarity on the south shore of Long Island. By the time we start seeing consistent 70s in Late May/June it’s already accompanied with and sea breeze and higher dews. 

[LibertyBell]

1 minute ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

Real spring weather is amazing. Having lived in Maryland for 4 years for college I miss those endless April days of sunny and 70s with low dews. Such a rarity on the south shore of Long Island. By the time we start seeing consistent 70s in Late May/June it’s already accompanied with and sea breeze and higher dews. 

Yes I love those kinds of days too, just not multiple days of rain every week.  I think ideally we would have 1 inch of rain every week that only fell on one day each week and the other 6 days would be sunny with low humidity.

I like low rainfall in the summer to keep humidity low and keep the bug population low.  I noticed when it rains a lot in the summer our mosquito numbers explode and the dew points are much higher.

 

[LibertyBell]

23 minutes ago, bluewave said:

Your local area rainfall is also a function of the general pattern across the U.S. which has been much drier than average. It’s not a major drought by any means since the NYC system is in good shape but some of the NJ reservoirs are lower than average. More of an issue for gardeners and agriculture. Plus it doesn’t take much drought in the warm season for a feedback situation to enhance the warmth. Like we saw in the summer of 2022 and the fall of 2019. Plus the record 80° warmth on Long Island a few weeks ago could have had some feedback influence when combined with the downslope flow. 

I forgot to add this to my other post-- how do we reconcile this pattern with the horrible flooding and entire towns almost being wiped out in the south and lower midwest with all the historic flooding there.  One mayor said that the waters came within 1 foot of wiping out her entire town and causing a mass casualty event (the waters came within 1 foot of topping the dam.)

 

 

[MJO812]

12 hours ago, psv88 said:

It’s awesome if you enjoy being inside and not doing outdoor activities. 

I have been outside 

[MJO812]

My friend sent me this from the Catskills

[donsutherland1]

1 hour ago, MJO812 said:

My friend sent me this from the Catskills

Very beautiful. They'll get more tonight.

[donsutherland1]

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

I forgot to add this to my other post-- how do we reconcile this pattern with the horrible flooding and entire towns almost being wiped out in the south and lower midwest with all the historic flooding there.  One mayor said that the waters came within 1 foot of wiping out her entire town and causing a mass casualty event (the waters came within 1 foot of topping the dam.)

 

 

The pattern led to a stalled front. Thunderstorms developed and trained along that front for days, producing extreme rainfall in parts of the Tennessee Valley.

[jm1220]

48 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

Yes it’s higher. 1550’ for the Nordstrom tower vs 1396’ for 432 Park Ave. Both fully residential and have higher roof heights then 1 World Trade Center. While NYC no longer has the tallest buildings in the world it still has the highest residential buildings.

I think part of the reason they are having trouble selling that pent house is, it’s so high it’s often in the clouds. 

OT but I also find those buildings to be hideous. No character or attractiveness to them whatsoever other than to be the tallest billionaire stick on 57th St, which then another developer builds a taller billionaire stick next door as a selling point. The skyline looks atrocious with those things. 

[jm1220]

49 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

Real spring weather is amazing. Having lived in Maryland for 4 years for college I miss those endless April days of sunny and 70s with low dews. Such a rarity on the south shore of Long Island. By the time we start seeing consistent 70s in Late May/June it’s already accompanied with and sea breeze and higher dews. 

When the gunk can finally clear away it can be very nice up here, way nicer than Long Beach for sure. The best weather period IMO is Sept through mid Oct generally. And the crowds on the beaches go away. When I lived in PA it was nice not having to worry about BDCFs coming through or seabreezes. 

[LibertyBell]

36 minutes ago, jm1220 said:

OT but I also find those buildings to be hideous. No character or attractiveness to them whatsoever other than to be the tallest billionaire stick on 57th St, which then another developer builds a taller billionaire stick next door as a selling point. The skyline looks atrocious with those things. 

Omg I hate how they were designed and I heard more are on the way-- and even in Brooklyn??

What happened to the kind of architecture we used to have, the NYC skyline used to be a source of pride.  

[LibertyBell]

32 minutes ago, jm1220 said:

When the gunk can finally clear away it can be very nice up here, way nicer than Long Beach for sure. The best weather period IMO is Sept through mid Oct generally. And the crowds on the beaches go away. When I lived in PA it was nice not having to worry about BDCFs coming through or seabreezes. 

October - mid November was really nice last year, we hit 80+ twice in November!

 

[LibertyBell]

48 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said:

Very beautiful. They'll get more tonight.

The Poconos too Don? Maybe a few inches down to I-80?

[SACRUS]

 

44 / 40 clouds drizzle.  Stuck in the cloudy, wet and cool the next 48-60 hours.  Another 1-1.5 inches of rain in the bucket by Sunday AM.  Warmer Sunday on a more southerly flow but dont think it'll clear out or see much sun till after 3/4pm.  Monday looks like the warmest day of the next 10.  Warmer next week and drier but no real warmer than normal sustained yet.  May deal with the next trough / cut off Easter weekend 4/19-4/21.  Looking at trough into the west pushing ridge and stronger warmth into the E the final week of the month.

 

[SACRUS]

Records:

Highs:

EWR:  87 (2011)
NYC: 85 (1955)
LGA: 82 (1955)
JFK: 73 (2023)


Lows:

EWR: 29 (1976)
NYC: 24 (1909)
LGA: 32 (1943)
JFK: 31 (2018)


Historical:

 

1935: Severe dust storms across Iowa and Kansas closed schools and highways. Dodge City, Kansas experienced its worst dust storm of record, with dense dust reported from the morning of the 9th until after sunset on the 11th. The sky was almost as dark as night at times during the daylight hours. The thick dust suspended traffic on highways and railroads and also suspended most business in town.  

1965 - Severe thunderstorms in the Upper Midwest spawned fifty-one tornadoes killing 256 persons and causing more than 200 million dollars damage. Indiana, Ohio and Michigan were hardest hit in the "Palm Sunday Tornado Outbreak". (David Ludlum)

 

1979: This day was known as "Terrible Tuesday" to the residents of Wichita Falls, Texas as a tornado rated F4 on the Fujita scale ripped through the city. A massive F4 tornado smashed into Wichita Falls killing 43 persons and causing 300 million dollars in damage. Another tornado struck Vernon, Texas killing eleven persons.

1987 - Ten days of flooding in the northeastern U.S. finally came to an end. Damage from flooding due to rain and snow melt ran into the billions of dollars. The collapse of the New York State Thruway Bridge over Schoharie Creek claimed ten lives. (Storm Data)

1988 - Sixteen cities in the western U.S., nine in California, reported new record high temperatures for the date. Afternoon highs of 95 degrees at Sacramento CA and 96 degrees at Bakersfield CA were the warmest of record for so early in the season. (The National Weather Summary)

1989 - Forty-four cities in the south central and eastern U.S. reported new record low temperatures for the date. Lows of 25 degrees at Conway AR, 29 degrees at Dallas/Fort Worth TX, and 22 degrees at Ozark AR, were April records. Lows of 26 degrees at Hot Springs AR and 31 degrees at Shreveport LA equalled April records. (The National Weather Summary)

1990 - While showers produced heavy rain over much of the northeastern U.S., heavy snow blanketed northern Maine, with 13 inches reported at Telos Lake. Strong southwesterly winds accompanying the rain and snow gusted to 68 mph at the Blue Hill Observatory in Massachusetts. Rainfall totals of 1.04 inch at Pittsburgh PA and 1.52 inch at Buffalo NY on the 10th were records for the date. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

[Sundog]

4 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Omg I hate how they were designed and I heard more are on the way-- and even in Brooklyn??

What happened to the kind of architecture we used to have, the NYC skyline used to be a source of pride.  

All architecture post 1940s is horrendous. That's the general rule. 

[LibertyBell]

Just now, Sundog said:

All architecture post 1940s is horrendous. That's the general rule. 

As an aside, Batman was based on pre 1940s architecture I feel like urban architects should read those comics and design those buildings that way (yes, Gotham was meant to be Gothic lol.)

 

[LibertyBell]

3 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

Records:

Highs:

EWR:  87 (2011)
NYC: 85 (1955)
LGA: 82 (1955)
JFK: 73 (2023)


Lows:

EWR: 29 (1976)
NYC: 24 (1909)
LGA: 32 (1943)
JFK: 31 (2018)


Historical:

 

1935: Severe dust storms across Iowa and Kansas closed schools and highways. Dodge City, Kansas experienced its worst dust storm of record, with dense dust reported from the morning of the 9th until after sunset on the 11th. The sky was almost as dark as night at times during the daylight hours. The thick dust suspended traffic on highways and railroads and also suspended most business in town.  

1965 - Severe thunderstorms in the Upper Midwest spawned fifty-one tornadoes killing 256 persons and causing more than 200 million dollars damage. Indiana, Ohio and Michigan were hardest hit in the "Palm Sunday Tornado Outbreak". (David Ludlum)

 

1979: This day was known as "Terrible Tuesday" to the residents of Wichita Falls, Texas as a tornado rated F4 on the Fujita scale ripped through the city. A massive F4 tornado smashed into Wichita Falls killing 43 persons and causing 300 million dollars in damage. Another tornado struck Vernon, Texas killing eleven persons.

1987 - Ten days of flooding in the northeastern U.S. finally came to an end. Damage from flooding due to rain and snow melt ran into the billions of dollars. The collapse of the New York State Thruway Bridge over Schoharie Creek claimed ten lives. (Storm Data)

1988 - Sixteen cities in the western U.S., nine in California, reported new record high temperatures for the date. Afternoon highs of 95 degrees at Sacramento CA and 96 degrees at Bakersfield CA were the warmest of record for so early in the season. (The National Weather Summary)

1989 - Forty-four cities in the south central and eastern U.S. reported new record low temperatures for the date. Lows of 25 degrees at Conway AR, 29 degrees at Dallas/Fort Worth TX, and 22 degrees at Ozark AR, were April records. Lows of 26 degrees at Hot Springs AR and 31 degrees at Shreveport LA equalled April records. (The National Weather Summary)

1990 - While showers produced heavy rain over much of the northeastern U.S., heavy snow blanketed northern Maine, with 13 inches reported at Telos Lake. Strong southwesterly winds accompanying the rain and snow gusted to 68 mph at the Blue Hill Observatory in Massachusetts. Rainfall totals of 1.04 inch at Pittsburgh PA and 1.52 inch at Buffalo NY on the 10th were records for the date. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

so JFK's low in 2018 was below freezing but NYC was not? April 11th below freezing date means it was the latest since 2014's April 16th date.

 

JFK: 31 (2018)

[SACRUS]

7 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

so JFK's low in 2018 was below freezing but NYC was not? April 11th below freezing date means it was the latest since 2014's April 16th date.

 

JFK: 31 (2018)

NYC: 37
EWR: 32
LGA: 38

[MANDA]

1 hour ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

Yes it’s higher. 1550’ for the Nordstrom tower vs 1396’ for 432 Park Ave. Both fully residential and have higher roof heights then 1 World Trade Center. While NYC no longer has the tallest buildings in the world it still has the highest residential buildings.

I think part of the reason they are having trouble selling that pent house is, it’s so high it’s often in the clouds. 

and from what I've read in high winds you can feel the sway.....no thanks.

[SACRUS]

 

[LibertyBell]

31 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

NYC: 37
EWR: 32
LGA: 38

omg how was there a 6 degree difference with NYC and 7 degree difference with LGA ???

a clear night no winds, great radiational cooling?