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March 2025 General Discussion


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7 hours ago, michsnowfreak said:

Ive learned over the years that there are very few TRUE blizzards. Quite a few strong storms have blizzard or near blizzard conditions, but very few true blizzards. I see time and time again these NWS offices issue blizzard warnings and when you check the conditions, it does not end up being a blizzard. Many times its not even really close. Locally, the storms of 1999, 2005, and 2015 and Im sure multiple others had the criteria met for snow reducing visibility to 1/4 or less for 3+ consecutive hours, but sustained winds were not 35mph+.

I would imagine Buffalo and its southern suburbs sees true blizzard conditions fairly often, albeit that's due to the convective nature of the snow with the long fetch and friction from the lake enhancing the wind.

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10 minutes ago, Powerball said:

I would imagine Buffalo and its southern suburbs sees true blizzard conditions fairly often, albeit that's due to the convective nature of the snow with the long fetch and friction from the lake enhancing the wind.

Yes, in narrow bands. And probably the open Plains. I mean, I always take the word "blizzard" with a grain of salt because so many of our great storms feel and look like a blizzard in every sense of the word but are technically not. It's why unlike many I couldn't care less whether it's a winter storm warning or blizzard warning. I don't make or agree with the official NWS definition of a blizzard, but it is what it is.

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41 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said:

Skyrocketed MSP up to 25.6", so they are still well below normal. However additional potential likely lies ahead in March. I thought Rochester MN would do better. They only got around 3" and sit at 15.8" on season.

Average to date here is 41.3” so still -15.7” on the season but this made a huge dent and the long range holds promise. 

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Icy roads this morning with flash freeze and a dusting of snow. Temps fell to 27F with wind chills in the teens following yesterdays 56F and damp. Sounds like lots of accidents this morning with the icy roads. The temp fall was forecast, so not sure why they didnt salt good. Lord knows they had no problem dumping heaps of salt from late Nov thru Feb lol. Storm total imby 0.79" precip, 0.2" snow. DTW 0.86" precip, 0.2" snow. Season snow is at 27.7" imby and 26.7" DTW.

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12 hours ago, OrdIowPitMsp said:

Average to date here is 41.3” so still -15.7” on the season but this made a huge dent and the long range holds promise. 

DTW's 26.7" is -12.3" to date. More promise in MSP than here, although knowing our Mar/Apr history and the forecast SSW, I definitely can see some more snow following next weeks warmup. Every year in late winter/spring I mention how annoying the phrase "stat padder" snow is, but this year itll be even more annoying :lol:. After we stretched this seasons snowfall pretty far with snowcover days, it absolutely wouldnt hurt to bump up the total with some "stat padder" snow. 

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Chicago NWS

 
While the strength of this system is expected to begin a
weakening trend as it encounters more confluent mid-level flow
across the western Great Lakes on Friday, there is concern that
the snow could still fall at moderate to heavy rates at times
(up to an inch per hour) during the day. This occurs as a band
rather potent 850 to 700 mb frontogenesis looks to set up right
across northern IL during the late morning and afternoon. Model
cross sections across this tightening baroclinic zone depict a
rather classic frontogenetical response, with forced ascent
right into a layer characterized by negative Theta-E lapse rates
(convectively unstable) through the DGZ. This suggests that
some narrow heaver bands of snow will certainly be possible,
with the most favored location for this being areas from I-80
northward late in the morning through the afternoon.

Surface temperatures are expected to remain near freezing across
far northern IL during the snowfall into Friday afternoon.
Accordingly, this raises questions as to the extent of road
snow accumulations and hence if any real travel impacts other
than reduced visibilities will materialize. Current thinking is
that most areas will only see some slushy accumulations on area
roads, but in an areas that happen to fall under one of the
more intense narrow bands, the snow may fall at a high enough
rate to result in some snow covered roads and possible travel
impacts. Unfortunately, however, the exact locations in which
these narrow intense snow bands setup are very difficult to
pinpoint with any degree of skill this far out. At this time,
the most favored area for these bands of heavy snow resides
north of I-80 in northern IL.

The precipitation will come to an end by early Friday evening.
Total snow accumulations of 2 to 3 inches (locally higher) look
favorable north of I-80. Farther south, (south of I-80) warmer
temperatures will limit accumulations, and may even result in
any lingering precipitation falling as rain in the afternoon.

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, michsnowfreak said:

DTW's 26.7" is -12.3" to date. More promise in MSP than here, although knowing our Mar/Apr history and the forecast SSW, I definitely can see some more snow following next weeks warmup. Every year in late winter/spring I mention how annoying the phrase "stat padder" snow is, but this year itll be even more annoying :lol:. After we stretched this seasons snowfall pretty far with snowcover days, it absolutely wouldnt hurt to bump up the total with some "stat padder" snow. 

It wasn’t until 4 days out on this latest storm that the prospects of accumulating snow became a realistic possibility, anything can happen and that’s what makes weather awesome. 

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13 hours ago, OrdIowPitMsp said:

It wasn’t until 4 days out on this latest storm that the prospects of accumulating snow became a realistic possibility, anything can happen and that’s what makes weather awesome. 

One thing thats particularly intriguing about spring snowstorms, unlike any other season, is that there is absolutely NO way to realistically guess with ANY lead time if youll get one or not this year. The data speaks for itself. Some of the warmest springs have suddenly had a dynamic snowstorm spring up and hit us. And some cold springs get next to nothing snow-wise (and of course, some cold springs yield good snows and some warm springs yield nada).

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