March 2025

[LibertyBell]

25 minutes ago, SnoSki14 said:

Permanent daylight savings time has been tried and failed. Doesn't matter what your preference is, that's just reality. 

Either way I doubt anything will change anytime soon given these pointless debates rage on. 

What made it fail?

I'm neutral on this and can make arguments both ways, we should just stick to one and not change back and forth

A third option is keep it 30 minutes ahead of standard time all year long.

[Sundog]

28 minutes ago, SnoSki14 said:

Permanent daylight savings time has been tried and failed. Doesn't matter what your preference is, that's just reality. 

Either way I doubt anything will change anytime soon given these pointless debates rage on. 

 

Metric was sort of given a shot and failed too, but it's still the correct system to use haha

 

5 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Is there really much of a difference between the sun rising at 4 am or 5 am in July? I would be sleeping through it either way.

I have black out curtains, everyone should, it also keeps light pollution at bay.

Healthcare workers point to numerous signs that Daylight time is bad.

 

You actually prove my point, sunlight at 4AM is a waste, you'll be sleeping through it anyway. 

Do healthcare workers say the switch is bad or the light itself is bad?

People already live with permanent DST conditions that we would experience here on the western end of time zones and/or higher latitudes. 

[LibertyBell]

1 hour ago, Sundog said:

@bluewave why is the 7 year snowfall running mean most significant? 

In other words how did we arrive to 7 years instead of 5 or 10 or some other number?

It's not lol, he picked 7 years because it's been 7 years since our heavy snow period ended in 2017-18.

 

[LibertyBell]

1 hour ago, Sundog said:

Bad luck I think. 

At some point in the future though even good tracks will yield rain along the coast more often. Not always, but a higher probability. 

 

 

 

No it's the fast pacific jet, we've had this same thing before in the 80s, this is worse with more warming plus that heatwave out in the Pacific.

Back in the 80s I noticed this as a teen that there were two predominant tracks for storms that go west to east, one goes south of us the other goes north of us.  NYC is in a bad spot for west to east storms because we are too far south for one track and too far north for the other track and this is why DC beat us for snowfall so often back then, for us to get good amounts of snow we need south to north or southwest to northeast tracks.  This is even moreso the case now because clippers have become much more rare.

[donsutherland1]

There were some snow flurries in Larchmont.

[LibertyBell]

7 minutes ago, Sundog said:

 

Metric was sort of given a shot and failed too, but it's still the correct system to use haha

 

You actually prove my point, sunlight at 4AM is a waste, you'll be sleeping through it anyway. 

Do healthcare workers say the switch is bad or the light itself is bad?

People already live with permanent DST conditions that we would experience here on the western end of time zones and/or higher latitudes. 

It has something to do with solar noon being at 12 noon vs 1 pm.

They've been saying that having equal amounts of light both before and after 12 noon is beneficial to our health.

I'm not sure about that being a permanent issue, it's more like a short term thing because I think our bodies adjust to Daylight time.  It might be better to take it easy for the first week and go to sleep earlier though.  I do know that the day after the time change there's a spike in heart attacks, strokes and car accidents, so whatever we choose we should stick with it.

The 30 minutes ahead option year round might be the best to satisfy the most people.

[Sundog]

7 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

No it's the fast pacific jet, we've had this same thing before in the 80s, this is worse with more warming plus that heatwave out in the Pacific.

Back in the 80s I noticed this as a teen that there were two predominant tracks for storms that go west to east, one goes south of us the other goes north of us.  NYC is in a bad spot for west to east storms because we are too far south for one track and too far north for the other track and this is why DC beat us for snowfall so often back then, for us to get good amounts of snow we need south to north or southwest to northeast tracks.  This is even moreso the case now because clippers have become much more rare.

The 80s were good for the Mid Atlantic indeed. Cold but not very snowy here. 

The clipper has become like the white tiger, exceedingly rare. 

[Brian5671]

21 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Is there really much of a difference between the sun rising at 4 am or 5 am in July? I would be sleeping through it either way.

I have black out curtains, everyone should, it also keeps light pollution at bay.

Healthcare workers point to numerous signs that Daylight time is bad.

 

No, but people are more likely to take advantage of that hour b/w 7:30-8:30pm in the summer vs 4-5am

[Sundog]

1 minute ago, Brian5671 said:

No, but people are more likely to take advantage of that hour b/w 7:30-8:30pm in the summer vs 4-5am

Not just more likely, it's like 99% of people. Walk/drive around at 4AM and see how dead it is. 

[SACRUS]

 

46 / 18 breezy and partly to mostly cloudy. Coolest/coldest day of the next 10.   Warmer this week warmest days Tue/Wed (may fall shy of 70 even in the warmer spots, but still potential) before potential change to wetter by the 16th.   

 

[LibertyBell]

6 minutes ago, Sundog said:

The 80s were good for the Mid Atlantic indeed. Cold but not very snowy here. 

The clipper has become like the white tiger, exceedingly rare. 

Some things I've noticed about clippers is that the kind of track they used to take back in the 80s and 90s, which was across the DelMarVa or offshore off of southern NJ has migrated farther north and now those clippers go across upstate NY and/or New England.  And they're also much more moisture starved than they used to be-- back then they were good for at least 2-4 / 3-5 inches of snow and sometimes 4-6.  Now getting 1-2 inches out of such storms is a big deal.  It's why our moderate sized snowstorms have become so rare.

[LibertyBell]

3 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

46 / 18 breezy and partly to mostly cloudy. Coolest/coldest day of the next 10.   Warmer this week warmest days Tue/Wed (may fall shy of 70 even in the warmer spots, but still potential) before potential change to wetter by the 16th.   

 

Tony, what do you think.... is tonight / tomorrow morning our last freeze of the season for urban and near urban areas?

 

[SACRUS]

 

Records:

Highs:

EWR: 77 (1987)
NYC: 76 (1987) 
LGA: 74 (1987)
JFK: 72 (1987)


Lows:

EWR: 13 (1996)
NYC: 8 (1883)
LGA: 14 (1996)
JFK: 14 (1996)

 

Historical:
 

1717 - On Fishers Island in Long Island Sound, 1200 sheep were discovered to have been buried under a snow drift for four weeks. When finally uncovered, one hundred sheep were still alive. (The Weather Channel)

1909 - The town of Brinkley AR was struck by a tornado which killed 49 persons and caused 600,000 dollars damage. The tornado, which was two-thirds of a mile in width, destroyed 860 buildings. Entire families were killed as houses were completely swept away by the tornado. Tornadoes killed 64 persons and injured 671 others in Dallas and Monroe counties during the Arkansas tornado outbreak. (David Ludlum)

1984 - A freak thunder snowstorm produced high winds, vivid lightning, and up to seven inches of snow in the northern suburbs of Washington D.C. (Sandra and TI Richard Sanders - 1987)

1987 - Thirty-two cities in the eastern U.S. reported new record high temperatures for the date, including Madison WI with a reading of 71 degrees. Afternoon highs of 68 degrees at Houghton Lake MI and 72 degrees at Flint MI smashed their previous records for the date by fourteen degrees. (The National Weather Summary)

1988 - A cold front brought wintry weather to the north central U.S. Snowfall totals in northwestern Minnesota ranged up to eight inches at Roseau and Hallock. Winds in South Dakota gusted to 61 mph at Brookings. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1989 - While arctic cold gripped the northeastern U.S., unseasonably warm weather prevailed across the southwestern states. Albany NY reported a record low of 2 degrees below zero. Tucson AZ reported a record high of 90 degrees. (The National Weather Summary)

1990 - Late afternoon thunderstorms produced severe weather in east central Iowa and west central Illinois. Thunderstorms spawned a tornado south of Augusta IL which traveled 42 miles to Marbleton. Golf ball size hail was reported at Peoria IL and near Vermont IL. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

 

2000: An F1 tornado traveled a short distance across Milwaukee, Wisconsin, during the evening hours. The tornado injured 16 people.

2004 - The California coast warms up. San Francisco broke a 112-year record by reaching 82 degrees. Los Angeles soared to 93 degrees.

2005 - A line of strong to severe thunderstorms affected the eastern portions of North and South Carolina, with wind damage and a few tornadoes reported. Winds gusted over 70 MPH with some of the stronger storms.

 

2018: A horseshoe cloud was seen over Battle Mountain, Nevada.

 

[LibertyBell]

5 minutes ago, Sundog said:

Not just more likely, it's like 99% of people. Walk/drive around at 4AM and see how dead it is. 

It's true, everything seems to start up at 5 am, the garbage truck comes by, our local post office opens up for mail delivery trucks, etc.

 

[SACRUS]

 

1984 Mar 8-9

 

NYC: 6.9 inches of snow
EWR: 6.4 inches of snow

[SACRUS]

2 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Tony, what do you think.... is tonight / tomorrow morning our last freeze of the season for urban and near urban areas?

 

 

Id wager no and would watch a brief colder day or 2 between the 18-19 as next colder shot.  Would not shock me to progress to a wetter period after mid month also.

[LibertyBell]

2 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

Records:

Highs:

EWR: 77 (1987)
NYC: 76 (1987) 
LGA: 74 (1987)
JFK: 72 (1987)


Lows:

EWR: 13 (1996)
NYC: 8 (1883)
LGA: 14 (1996)
JFK: 14 (1996)

 

Historical:
 

1717 - On Fishers Island in Long Island Sound, 1200 sheep were discovered to have been buried under a snow drift for four weeks. When finally uncovered, one hundred sheep were still alive. (The Weather Channel)

1909 - The town of Brinkley AR was struck by a tornado which killed 49 persons and caused 600,000 dollars damage. The tornado, which was two-thirds of a mile in width, destroyed 860 buildings. Entire families were killed as houses were completely swept away by the tornado. Tornadoes killed 64 persons and injured 671 others in Dallas and Monroe counties during the Arkansas tornado outbreak. (David Ludlum)

1984 - A freak thunder snowstorm produced high winds, vivid lightning, and up to seven inches of snow in the northern suburbs of Washington D.C. (Sandra and TI Richard Sanders - 1987)

1987 - Thirty-two cities in the eastern U.S. reported new record high temperatures for the date, including Madison WI with a reading of 71 degrees. Afternoon highs of 68 degrees at Houghton Lake MI and 72 degrees at Flint MI smashed their previous records for the date by fourteen degrees. (The National Weather Summary)

1988 - A cold front brought wintry weather to the north central U.S. Snowfall totals in northwestern Minnesota ranged up to eight inches at Roseau and Hallock. Winds in South Dakota gusted to 61 mph at Brookings. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1989 - While arctic cold gripped the northeastern U.S., unseasonably warm weather prevailed across the southwestern states. Albany NY reported a record low of 2 degrees below zero. Tucson AZ reported a record high of 90 degrees. (The National Weather Summary)

1990 - Late afternoon thunderstorms produced severe weather in east central Iowa and west central Illinois. Thunderstorms spawned a tornado south of Augusta IL which traveled 42 miles to Marbleton. Golf ball size hail was reported at Peoria IL and near Vermont IL. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

 

2000: An F1 tornado traveled a short distance across Milwaukee, Wisconsin, during the evening hours. The tornado injured 16 people.

2004 - The California coast warms up. San Francisco broke a 112-year record by reaching 82 degrees. Los Angeles soared to 93 degrees.

2005 - A line of strong to severe thunderstorms affected the eastern portions of North and South Carolina, with wind damage and a few tornadoes reported. Winds gusted over 70 MPH with some of the stronger storms.

 

2018: A horseshoe cloud was seen over Battle Mountain, Nevada.

 

 

So the decent winter of 1986-87 was basically over by now and we almost hit 80 degrees.

It's amazing how the great winter of 1995-96 kept going and we were record cold on this date back then!

I guess 1717 must have been a great winter for our area too if there were snow drifts like that on Long Island Sound!

March 1984--- we had a nice snowstorm from that, over 6 inches of snow I think?

March 1989-- were we in the teens for that Arctic Outbreak, Tony?

Records:

Highs:

EWR: 77 (1987)
NYC: 76 (1987) 
LGA: 74 (1987)
JFK: 72 (1987)


Lows:

EWR: 13 (1996)
NYC: 8 (1883)
LGA: 14 (1996)
JFK: 14 (1996)

 

Historical:
 

1717 - On Fishers Island in Long Island Sound, 1200 sheep were discovered to have been buried under a snow drift for four weeks. When finally uncovered, one hundred sheep were still alive. (The Weather Channel)

1909 - The town of Brinkley AR was struck by a tornado which killed 49 persons and caused 600,000 dollars damage. The tornado, which was two-thirds of a mile in width, destroyed 860 buildings. Entire families were killed as houses were completely swept away by the tornado. Tornadoes killed 64 persons and injured 671 others in Dallas and Monroe counties during the Arkansas tornado outbreak. (David Ludlum)

1984 - A freak thunder snowstorm produced high winds, vivid lightning, and up to seven inches of snow in the northern suburbs of Washington D.C. (Sandra and TI Richard Sanders - 1987)

1987 - Thirty-two cities in the eastern U.S. reported new record high temperatures for the date, including Madison WI with a reading of 71 degrees. Afternoon highs of 68 degrees at Houghton Lake MI and 72 degrees at Flint MI smashed their previous records for the date by fourteen degrees. (The National Weather Summary)

1988 - A cold front brought wintry weather to the north central U.S. Snowfall totals in northwestern Minnesota ranged up to eight inches at Roseau and Hallock. Winds in South Dakota gusted to 61 mph at Brookings. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1989 - While arctic cold gripped the northeastern U.S., unseasonably warm weather prevailed across the southwestern states. Albany NY reported a record low of 2 degrees below zero. Tucson AZ reported a record high of 90 degrees. (The National Weather Summary)

[SACRUS]

30 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

What made it fail?

I'm neutral on this and can make arguments both ways, we should just stick to one and not change back and forth

A third option is keep it 30 minutes ahead of standard time all year long.

 

 

As thought there is too much opposing opinions on staying at Standard time permanently (like AZ nd HI) or DST (as was tried during other periods) and the outcome would be stay on ST for 4 months and DST for the other 8 as has been since 2007.  I doubt any of the state bills will get traction (outside Florida and TN which is trying for DST permanent).

[nycwinter]

such a beautiful day i will remember days like this when it starts to get warm. what a day chilly temps gusty wind  i wore my winter coat with a hoodie face mask winter hat and gloves..

[LibertyBell]

2 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

Id wager no and would watch a brief colder day or 2 between the 18-19 as next colder shot.  Would not shock me to progress to a wetter period after mid month also.

Thanks Tony, also medium range look for the total lunar eclipse on Pi Day 3/14 at 3:14 AM (lol), looks like good weather to see it? Totality is for around 1 hour (2:30 am - 3:30 am) approximately.

[LibertyBell]

Just now, nycwinter said:

such a beautiful day i will remember days like this when it starts to get warm. what a day chilly temps gusty wind  i wore my winter coat with a hoodie face mask winter hat and gloves..

You sure do love covering yourself up.

[SACRUS]

5 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

 

So the decent winter of 1986-87 was basically over by now and we almost hit 80 degrees.

It's amazing how the great winter of 1995-96 kept going and we were record cold on this date back then!

I guess 1717 must have been a great winter for our area too if there were snow drifts like that on Long Island Sound!

March 1984--- we had a nice snowstorm from that, over 6 inches of snow I think?

March 1989-- were we in the teens for that Arctic Outbreak, Tony?

 

 

March 7-8 1989

 

NYC:

3/7: 25 / 13
3/8: 32   15
 

[SACRUS]

 

Dry week here / wet (needed) in California , suspect the following period 3/16 - 3/23 too trend wetter.

 

[LibertyBell]

1 minute ago, SACRUS said:

 

Dry week here / wet (needed) in California , suspect the following period 3/16 - 3/23 too trend wetter.

 

as long as it's after the total lunar eclipse on 3/14, I'm happy :-)

all of next week should be nice.

[Stormlover74]

11 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

 

So the decent winter of 1986-87 was basically over by now and we almost hit 80 degrees.

 

We still had more snow to come

12 - Four days after the temperature soared to 76°, the final snow of the winter fell, accumulating 1.9" between this afternoon into early morning on 3/13.  Additionally, there was only a two-degree difference between today's high (33°) and low (31°).

but we had a very warm April with 80s on Easter 

[LibertyBell]

6 minutes ago, Stormlover74 said:

We still had more snow to come

12 - Four days after the temperature soared to 76°, the final snow of the winter fell, accumulating 1.9" between this afternoon into early morning on 3/13.  Additionally, there was only a two-degree difference between today's high (33°) and low (31°).

but we had a very warm April with 80s on Easter 

wow that might have been close to a record of getting a snowfall within a week after it hit 75+

 

[psv88]

2 hours ago, IrishRob17 said:

So is getting up in the dark 

So wake up later 

[Stormlover74]

5 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

wow that might have been close to a record of getting a snowfall within a week after it hit 75+

 

St Patrick 2007 storm was 79 2 days before

[steve392]

49 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said:

There were some snow flurries in Larchmont.

Had them in little ferry also around 10am

[MJO812]

2 hours ago, Sundog said:

 

I'd love DST all year. Early sunsets are depressing. 

No they are not . Early sunsets are the best.