LibertyBell Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 7 minutes ago, cleetussnow said: Solar isn’t a solution up here for many, especially NYC dwellers. Like at all. The nuke plant worked great. Now we have an extension cord running up to a waterfall in another country for power. Which by the way the Indians up there want to shut down. Sacred fishing or some shit. Risk management office derelicts in NYC. a lot of brownstones in Brooklyn have solar panels on their roofs from what I have read and even make money from it by selling excess power to their neighbors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Talk about records-- on this date in March 1990 it was 85 degrees, on this day in March 1888 it was only 6 degrees ! That 6 might be the March monthly record set right after the big blizzard. The March 1990 temperature of 85 is close to the monthly record, I think it hit 88 the next day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 A warming trend will commence tomorrow. The weekend could end with unseasonably warm temperatures in the lower and middle 60s. In addition, rain will likely arrive on Sunday and continue into Monday. A general 0.50"-1.50" rainfall is likely in and around New York City. In the wake of the rainstorm, the mild weather will continue. The long-range guidance has turned warmer for much of the remainder of March. As a result, there is an increasing prospect that New York City has seen its last measurable snowfall of the 2024-2025 season. The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was +1.6°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was 0.0°C for the week centered around March 5. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged +0.68°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged -0.37°C. Neutral ENSO conditions have developed. Neutral ENSO conditions will likely continue into at least late spring. The SOI was +12.35 today. The preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) was -1.369 today. Based on sensitivity analysis applied to the latest guidance, there is an implied 92% probability that New York City will have a warmer than normal March (1991-2020 normal). March will likely finish with a mean temperature near 46.9° (4.1° above normal). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjay Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 10 hours ago, bluewave said: Part of the challenge in conveying that these winters just aren’t as cold as the used to be is making the bar lower for what constitutes a cold winter. Updating the climate normals every 10 years normalizes how much warmer the winters are getting. The NOAA NCEI should probably settle on a baseline from before the rapid increase in temperatures prior to 1980 like NASA, Berkeley Earth, and other centers do for determining the global temperatures.The record winter warmth in recent years made this winter seem like a cold one in comparison. But the actual temperature rankings place this winter closer to the old average or even warmer. Strong agree 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 8 hours ago, Rjay said: Strong agree !@#$% ocean ruins the eclipse for long island a solution to the sea level rise problem and to cloudy skies near the coast pump up 20% of ocean waters to the moon and mars We do not need 70% of this planet covered in water, it's way too much, especially with sea level rise. 50% land and 50% ocean is far better. Plus pumping the excess water to the moon and mars will get rid of this cloud pollution. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 14 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: !@#$% ocean ruins the eclipse for long island a solution to the sea level rise problem and to cloudy skies near the coast pump up 20% of ocean waters to the moon and mars We do not need 70% of this planet covered in water, it's way too much, especially with sea level rise. 50% land and 50% ocean is far better. Plus pumping the excess water to the moon and mars will get rid of this cloud pollution. You should probably consult with @BxEngine on the hose lay required for that project... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 4 minutes ago, IrishRob17 said: You should probably consult with @BxEngine on the hose lay required for that project... Haha this is awesome. Lots of money in this for any prospective space colonies we might build. PS you must have had an awesome view of the eclipse, I thought of you guys when I saw all the clear skies to the N&W.... did you get to see it, Rob? I woke up at 2:30 and waited until 3:30 but there wasn't even a little break in the clouds =\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 2 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: Haha this is awesome. Lots of money in this for any prospective space colonies we might build. PS you must have had an awesome view of the eclipse, I thought of you guys when I saw all the clear skies to the N&W.... did you get to see it? I woke up at 2:30 and waited until 3:30 but there wasn't even a little break in the clouds =\ The moon was super bright last night when I went I bed. I did not get up in the middle to the night. 25 degrees here currently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve392 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Was semi-gorgeous out yesterday. A tad chilly with the winds. Will we ever have a non-windy day? It's like the fall all over again minus the fires. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundog Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 hour ago, steve392 said: Was semi-gorgeous out yesterday. A tad chilly with the winds. Will we ever have a non-windy day? It's like the fall all over again minus the fires. Yesterday was really nice. I kind of like the wind. Around the city and inland away from the water the wind goes dead for long stretches with dewpoints in the mid 70s, that's the worst part of summer for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 We are beginning to shift into the spring pattern was has much less westerly flow than the winter did. Yesterday was the first day with stronger easterly flow. Every warm up will have to compete with onshore flow. So the 70° warmth will probably line up west of the Hudson on the warmer days. And the onshore flow will be very noticeable especially near the coast. We will probably have to wait a week for our next stronger westerly flow event behind one of the cuttters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudsonvalley21 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 2 hours ago, IrishRob17 said: You should probably consult with @BxEngine on the hose lay required for that project... Absolutely . That’s a long lay line, friction loss is a definite. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 25 minutes ago, bluewave said: We are beginning to shift into the spring pattern was has much less westerly flow than the winter did. Yesterday was the first day with stronger easterly flow. Every warm up will have to compete with onshore flow. So the 70° warmth will probably line up west of the Hudson on the warmer days. And the onshore flow will be very noticeable especially near the coast. We will probably have to wait a week for our next stronger westerly flow event behind one of the cuttters. What was odd yesterday was the clear skies despite stronger east winds--was gusting to 25mph here-usually that means a stratus deck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 35 minutes ago, bluewave said: We are beginning to shift into the spring pattern was has much less westerly flow than the winter did. Yesterday was the first day with stronger easterly flow. Every warm up will have to compete with onshore flow. So the 70° warmth will probably line up west of the Hudson on the warmer days. And the onshore flow will be very noticeable especially near the coast. We will probably have to wait a week for our next stronger westerly flow event behind one of the cuttters. when will the westerly flow resume? we need a strong enough westerly flow to overpower the ocean, that strong Pac jet should help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 2 hours ago, IrishRob17 said: The moon was super bright last night when I went I bed. I did not get up in the middle to the night. 25 degrees here currently. Next total lunar eclipse is March 3 next year, at a more convenient time, totality begins at 6:04 am, 24 minutes before the moon sets. It's doable to take pictures of that here weather and clouds permitting, we had a similar one to that on November 8 2022 and I took these pictures between 6:18-6:30 and the moon set at 6:42 am. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 39 minutes ago, bluewave said: We are beginning to shift into the spring pattern was has much less westerly flow than the winter did. Yesterday was the first day with stronger easterly flow. Every warm up will have to compete with onshore flow. So the 70° warmth will probably line up west of the Hudson on the warmer days. And the onshore flow will be very noticeable especially near the coast. We will probably have to wait a week for our next stronger westerly flow event behind one of the cuttters. Right on cue for backdoor gunk season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 31 minutes ago, Brian5671 said: What was odd yesterday was the clear skies despite stronger east winds--was gusting to 25mph here-usually that means a stratus deck The sun comes out during the day (like it is out now) and it's cloudy at night. It's mostly sunny now, about 6 hours too late. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Just now, LibertyBell said: The sun comes out during the day (like it is out now) and it's cloudy at night. It's mostly sunny now, about 6 hours too late. Still socked in here.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Cloudy here 47 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 21 hours ago, LibertyBell said: I don't even consider the measurement of *drought* to be accurate, the normal rainfall for NYC (as an example) is around 41-42 inches per year not the 50 inches or so we've been averaging the last period or so. Keep in mind, using the traditional PDSI formula, you need to offset the increase in PET due to temperatures. If temperatures have risen 4-6F since the mid 20th century, then you would need about 3 or 4 more inches of rainfall each year just to offset the increase in PET [assuming an average annual precipitation in the low 40 inch range]. If you have been getting 50" or so, then it's still been overall pretty wet. But, at least, using the PDSI, if precipitation dropped back to 41-42 inches, that would actually a mild to moderate drought. Here's Grok's explanation: \ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 4 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said: Keep in mind, using the traditional PDSI formula, you need to offset the increase in PET due to temperatures. If temperatures have risen 4-6F since the mid 20th century, then you would need about 3 or 4 more inches of rainfall each year just to offset the increase in PET [assuming an average annual precipitation in the low 40 inch range]. If you have been getting 50" or so, then it's still been overall pretty wet. But, at least, using the PDSI, if precipitation dropped back to 41-42 inches, that would actually a mild to moderate drought. Here's Grok's explanation: \ Interesting-- I like drier here because drier means hotter. In the summer, when we have a wet one, it's also cooler because the sun's radiation is used up trying to dry the ground. I don't like averages because they don't properly account for day time extreme temperatures and hot days (highs above 90). That's how I judge a summer's heat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 23 minutes ago, Brian5671 said: Still socked in here.. It's actually pretty humid here too, feels like later in the season with sunny and humid hazy skies. Chicago supposed to hit 81 today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 46 / 31 clouds burning off and perhaps sunny by noon or 1:00. ENE flow. Clouds back for the weekend then a warm / wet Sunday into Monday with 1.00 - >1.00 inch of rain. Overall warm week a bit cooler by Friday into next weekend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Records: Highs: EWR: 79 (2007) NYC: 75 (1946) LGA: 75 (1946) JFK: 72 (2012) Lows: EWR: 17 (1993) NYC: 12 (1888) LGA: 18 (1993) JFK: 19 (1993) Historical: 1870 - The term blizzard was first applied to a storm which produced heavy snow and high winds in Minnesota and Iowa. (David Ludlum) 1933: A deadly tornado outbreak affected the Middle Tennessee region, including Nashville, on this day. The outbreak, which produced five or more tornadoes, killed 44 people and injured at least 461 others. The strongest tornado, F3, cut a path through the center of Nashville. About 1,400 homes were damaged or destroyed. Windows were blown out of the State Capitol Building. 1935: Suffocating dust storms frequently occurred in southeast Colorado between the 12th and the 25th of the month. Six people died, and many livestock starved or suffocated. Up to six feet of dust covered the ground. Schools were closed, and tenants deserted many rural homes. 1944 - A single storm brought a record 21.6 inches of snow to Salt Lake City UT. (The Weather Channel) 1960 - Northern Georgia was between snowstorms. Gainesville GA received 17 inches of snow during the month, and reported at least a trace of snow on the ground 22 days in March. Snow was on roofs in Hartwell GA from the 2nd to the 29th. (The Weather Channel) 1987 - A powerful storm in the western U.S. produced 15 inches of snow in the Lake Tahoe Basin of Nevada, and wind gusts to 50 mph at Las Vegas NV. Thunderstorms in the Sacramento Valley of California spawned a tornado which hit a turkey farm near Corning. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1988 - Squalls in the Great Lakes Region continued to produce heavy snow in northwest Wisconsin and Upper Michigan, and produced up to 14 inches of snow in northeast Ohio. Poplar WI reported 27 inches of snow in two days. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1989 - High winds in Colorado and Wyoming gusted above 120 mph at Horsetooth Heights CO. High winds in the Central Plains sharply reduced visibilities in blowing dust as far east as Kansas City MO. Winds gusting to 72 mph at Hill City KS reduced the visibility to a city block in blowing dust. Soil erosion in northwest Kansas damaged nearly five million acres of wheat. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1990 - Fifty-three cities reported record high temperatures for the date as readings warmed into the 70s and 80s from the Gulf coast to the Great Lakes Region. Charleston WV was the hot spot in the nation with a record high of 89 degrees. It was the fourth of five consecutive days with record warm tempeatures for many cities in the eastern U.S. There were 283 daily record highs reported in the central and eastern U.S. during between the 11th and the 15th of March. (The National Weather Summary) 2007 - The temperature in Concord, NH, reaches a record high of 74 degrees less than one week after a record low temperature of 7 degrees below zero on March 8, an 81 degree temperature swing in six days. 2008: An EF2 tornado moved through downtown Atlanta, Georgia, shortly before 10 pm, damaging the Georgia Dome where the SEC men's basketball tournament was underway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 March 14 The touted March blizzard that was not near the foot plus forecast https://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/storm_summaries/event_reviews/2017/WPC_EventReview_March2017.pdf 2017 NYC: 7.6 inches of snow LGA: 7.4 EWR: 7.3 JFK: 5.1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 6 minutes ago, SACRUS said: March 14 The touted March blizzard that was not near the foot plus forecast https://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/storm_summaries/event_reviews/2017/WPC_EventReview_March2017.pdf 2017 NYC: 7.6 inches of snow LGA: 7.4 EWR: 7.3 JFK: 5.1 Yep. Utter disaster east of the city, blizzard warning for a few inches that was gone by the end of the storm. The mounds of sleet in the city were impressive though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 8 minutes ago, SACRUS said: March 14 The touted March blizzard that was not near the foot plus forecast https://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/storm_summaries/event_reviews/2017/WPC_EventReview_March2017.pdf 2017 NYC: 7.6 inches of snow LGA: 7.4 EWR: 7.3 JFK: 5.1 Was a hugger in the end--I remember it inching closer and closer in the last 48 hrs, however today, we'd love a storm like this! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Most of this Sunday / Monday morning with the California wet pattern continuing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Busy days in the Midwest 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 3 minutes ago, jm1220 said: Yep. Utter disaster east of the city, blizzard warning for a few inches that was gone by the end of the storm. The mounds of sleet in the city were impressive though. I didn't even remember that we had a blizzard warning for this lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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