March 2025

[Northof78]

We are currently in a very cold area of Earth History....Enjoy it, no matter what the Earth should mean revert to warmer temperatures after coming out of the ice age/abnormally cold period, but we are still well below long term averages. 

 

[psv88]

7 minutes ago, Northof78 said:

We are currently in a very cold area of Earth History....Enjoy it, no matter what the Earth should mean revert to warmer temperatures after coming out of the ice age/abnormally cold period, but we are still well below long term averages. 

 

Yes we all know it was warmer 35 million years ago. You back even further before the earth had an atmosphere and it was probably 0 kelvin. So we are still warm compared to historical records…the Cryogenian period was much colder…600-750 million years ago

[LibertyBell]

3 minutes ago, psv88 said:

Yes we all know it was warmer 35 million years ago. You back even further before the earth had an atmosphere and it was probably 0 kelvin. So we are still warm compared to historical records…

And in the middle, during the Mesozoic, when the dinosaurs roamed, there was a lot more oxygen in the atmosphere and that's why all creatures back then were HUGE.

Back before the Cambrian before there was multicellular life the earth didn't have any oxygen, only CO2 and N2.  We needed plants and blue green algae (not really algae) to convert some CO2 into O2 as O2 is highly reactive with rocks and without plants would be removed from the atmosphere very quickly.

[bluewave]

It’s the speed of the warming which is unprecedented in the last 24,000 years.

https://news.arizona.edu/news/global-temperatures-over-last-24000-years-show-todays-warming-unprecedented

A University of Arizona-led effort to reconstruct Earth's climate since the last ice age, about 24,000 years ago, highlights the main drivers of climate change and how far out of bounds human activity has pushed the climate system.

The study, published Wednesday in Nature, has three main findings: 

• It verifies that the main drivers of climate change since the last ice age are rising greenhouse gas concentrations and the retreat of the ice sheets.
• It suggests a general warming trend over the last 10,000 years, settling a decade-long debate the paleoclimatology community about whether this period trended warmer or cooler.
• The magnitude and rate warming over the last 150 years far surpasses the magnitude and rate of changes over the last 24,000 years.

"This reconstruction suggests that current temperatures are unprecedented in 24,000 years, and also suggests that the speed of human-caused global warming is faster than anything we've seen in that same time," said Jessica Tierney, a UArizona geosciencesassociate professor and co-author of the study.

[EastonSN+]

48 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

the new england forum is a little anal retentive, although I find it interesting how they don't have as much conflict in north vs south, inland vs coast, even though they cover a much larger area.

 

I do believe the new England forum, specifically Orhwxman, Coastal WX and 40/70 benchmark, have a great understanding of the current environment and recent below average snowfall years. Great discussion in the March sub forum there from yesterday if you have time. 

I wish Don would post more often in that forum, after All Westchester county is right on the border of New England. 

[LibertyBell]

4 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said:

I do believe the new England forum, specifically Orhwxman, Coastal WX and 40/70 benchmark, have a great understanding of the current environment and recent below average snowfall years. Great discussion in the March sub forum there from yesterday if you have time. 

I wish Don would post more often in that forum, after All Westchester county is right on the border of New England. 

I love them but that forum as a whole is like a clique.  We talk in the CC forum or the main forum.  They used to be more present in the sports forum-- they are missed there.

[wishcast_hater]

18 minutes ago, bluewave said:

It’s the speed of the warming which is unprecedented in the last 24,000 years.

https://news.arizona.edu/news/global-temperatures-over-last-24000-years-show-todays-warming-unprecedented

 

A University of Arizona-led effort to reconstruct Earth's climate since the last ice age, about 24,000 years ago, highlights the main drivers of climate change and how far out of bounds human activity has pushed the climate system.

The study, published Wednesday in Nature, has three main findings: 

• It verifies that the main drivers of climate change since the last ice age are rising greenhouse gas concentrations and the retreat of the ice sheets.
• It suggests a general warming trend over the last 10,000 years, settling a decade-long debate the paleoclimatology community about whether this period trended warmer or cooler.
• The magnitude and rate warming over the last 150 years far surpasses the magnitude and rate of changes over the last 24,000 years.

"This reconstruction suggests that current temperatures are unprecedented in 24,000 years, and also suggests that the speed of human-caused global warming is faster than anything we've seen in that same time," said Jessica Tierney, a UArizona geosciencesassociate professor and co-author of the study.

What nonsense. The data suggests. No one can tell how warm it was 500 years ago let alone 24000.  Now  that I hit the hornets nest regarding the religion of climate changte you will tell me how simple I am and how i dont understand the data and how ITS DEFINATELY happening and the science is settled. Save your breath.

 

[Stormlover74]

2 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

I love them but that forum as a whole is like a clique.  We talk in the CC forum or the main forum.  They used to be more present in the sports forum-- they are missed there.

I don't think our subforum has that much conflict. I just think some posters forget where they live

[psv88]

2 minutes ago, wishcast_hater said:

What nonsense. The data suggests. No one can tell how warm it was 500 years ago let alone 24000.  

 

That’s false…maybe sit this one out chief 

[wishcast_hater]

1 minute ago, psv88 said:

That’s false…maybe sit this one out chief 

Now  that I hit the hornets nest regarding the religion of climate changte you will tell me how simple I am and how i dont understand the data and how ITS DEFINATELY happening and the science is settled. Save your breath.

[psv88]

4 minutes ago, wishcast_hater said:

Now  that I hit the hornets nest regarding the religion of climate changte you will tell me how simple I am and how i dont understand the data and how ITS DEFINATELY happening and the science is settled. Save your breath.

At least you are self aware. That’s a start champ

[LibertyBell]

1 hour ago, wishcast_hater said:

Now  that I hit the hornets nest regarding the religion of climate changte you will tell me how simple I am and how i dont understand the data and how ITS DEFINATELY happening and the science is settled. Save your breath.

There were no scientific instruments to measure it of course but comparative analyses can be done between eras using tree rings and arctic ice core samples and even observing sedimentary rocks to determine when the largest storms or other events in a given era occurred.  There's a whole field called paleoclimatology that is based on this.

Using paleoclimatology we have been able to determine a giant hurricane (Cat 4?) hit our area in PreColumbian times (somewhere between the 1200s and 1400s.)  There is also evidence of a megatsunami possibly caused by a meteoroid strike (perhaps the same one that created Chesapeake Bay), it broke off into two pieces and one part hit down in the DelMarva and the other part hit near Toms River, the resulting megatsunami could have been over 50 feet high and left tell tale signs in the sedimentary bedrock of our near coastal waters.

 

 

 

[bluewave]

1 hour ago, wishcast_hater said:

What nonsense. The data suggests. No one can tell how warm it was 500 years ago let alone 24000.  Now  that I hit the hornets nest regarding the religion of climate changte you will tell me how simple I am and how i dont understand the data and how ITS DEFINATELY happening and the science is settled. Save your breath.

 

If the data suggested that it was getting much colder over that period, then my guess is that you would have no problem believing it. Plus when you use terms like “no one can tell” it shows that you didn’t read the study. The issue is that you are viewing scientific information through a political filter which is warping your perception of reality. 

[weatherpruf]

18 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

There were no scientific instruments to measure it of course but comparative analyses can be done between eras using tree rings and arctic ice core samples and even observing sedimentary rocks to determine when the largest storms or other events in a given era occurred.  There's a whole field called paleoclimatology that is based on this.

Using paleoclimatology we have been able to determine a giant hurricane (Cat 4?) hit our area in PreColumbian times (somewhere between the 1200s and 1400s.)  There is also evidence of a megatsunami possibly caused by a meteoroid strike (perhaps the same one that created Chesapeake Bay), it broke off into two pieces and one part hit down in the DelMarva and the other part hit near Toms River, the resulting megatsunami could have been over 50 feet high and left tell tale signs in the sedimentary bedrock of our near coastal waters.

 

 

 

You are falling into the trap of trying to present the facts,and assuming it will have an effect; it will not work. 

[cleetussnow]

and…that’s all folks for this forum for the winter season. See ya’ll in the Fall

[Nibor]

5 minutes ago, cleetussnow said:

and…that’s all folks for this forum for the winter season. See ya’ll in the Fall

There’s weather to talk about year round. 

[Dark Star]

Wow, 9 pages for March, and it hasn't even begun.  There must be a lot of weather going on...

[MJO812]

22 minutes ago, cleetussnow said:

and…that’s all folks for this forum for the winter season. See ya’ll in the Fall

There are other seasons

[RedSky]

But if the 12z euro was a little norther and stronger..

[snowman19]

8 minutes ago, RedSky said:

But if the 12z euro was a little norther and stronger..

Always at day 10+ isn’t it?

[winterwx21]

13 minutes ago, RedSky said:

But if the 12z euro was a little norther and stronger..

Yeah Euro keeps showing a threat around the 8th. Fantasy range but something to keep an eye on. Probably our last shot since it appears that major warmth with be coming in after the 10th. Obviously at this point you'd have to say it's a slim chance, but at least we still have a little bit of hope. I'd like to see one more snow event, but then I'm done. I'm looking forward to the warm pattern in mid march. 

[Dark Star]

6 hours ago, wishcast_hater said:

What nonsense. The data suggests. No one can tell how warm it was 500 years ago let alone 24000.  Now  that I hit the hornets nest regarding the religion of climate changte you will tell me how simple I am and how i dont understand the data and how ITS DEFINATELY happening and the science is settled. Save your breath.

 

I assume that general temperature profiles can be extracted through trees, Ice Cores, sediment cores?  I would trust data collected and assessed from before 1980, only because perhaps there could be a bias trying to prove an agenda *after that date).  Sorry for my cynicism.  I am among the minority of conservatives that A. there is global warming, and B. it is attributed to greenhouse gas emissions.  I could be wrong, since there is varying data, of which I am not an expert in.  The graph/chart/depiction that we are all "discussing", in and by itself, can make an argument both ways.  

[Allsnow]

On 2/24/2025 at 4:55 PM, donsutherland1 said:

That might be a final warming event. We'll see how it evolves.

 

[bluewave]

23 minutes ago, Allsnow said:

 

Hopefully, we remain uncoupled like we have all winter with everything remaining bottom up rather than top down. Since everyone is ready for spring now. But it would be pretty funny if we finally get a benchmark track in April with 45° and cold rain.

[golfer67]

24 minutes ago, Allsnow said:

 

FFS please no

[LibertyBell]

8 minutes ago, bluewave said:

Hopefully, we remain uncoupled like we have all winter with everything remaining bottom up rather than top down. Since everyone is ready for spring now. But it would be pretty funny if we finally get a benchmark track in April with 45° and cold rain.

snow is still possible in April but it seems most cases are after snowy winters?

This is an interesting test case since, although the winter didn't have much snow it was at least somewhat cold.

Snow in April after less snowy winters were on the minor side-- for example April 1990, April 1997, April 2000, April 2006. All were less than 2 inches.

 

[TheClimateChanger]

4 hours ago, wishcast_hater said:

What nonsense. The data suggests. No one can tell how warm it was 500 years ago let alone 24000.  Now  that I hit the hornets nest regarding the religion of climate changte you will tell me how simple I am and how i dont understand the data and how ITS DEFINATELY happening and the science is settled. Save your breath.

 

I mean we have a pretty good idea of both, especially 24k years ago. That wasn't far from the last glacial maximum. Pretty sure it was considerably colder than today, and we've known that since at least the early 19th century.

[JustinRP37]

It always amazes me that people forget the laws of physics when it comes to fossil fuels. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed (we must have forgotten that fossil fuels are exempt from this and once burned they disappear and have no effect on climate). Also, the “ it was warmer in the past” argument. Well, yes, it was, but let's also see how current-day plants and animals would survive in those climates millions of years ago. We aren't bacteria. And we wonder why measles is coming back when people believe scientists and doctors are full of $ hit. I swear we live in one weird timeline. 

 

Anyways, let's please talk about the weather and how after today we trend back down to below seasonal norms for temp before returning to right around seasonal norms next week? Maybe?

[TheClimateChanger]

4 hours ago, Northof78 said:

We are currently in a very cold area of Earth History....Enjoy it, no matter what the Earth should mean revert to warmer temperatures after coming out of the ice age/abnormally cold period, but we are still well below long term averages. 

 

There's no reason to believe that we would have reverted to even Pliocene conditions in the absence of manmade climate change any time in the near future. I suppose in hundreds of millions of years, the luminosity of the sun may have increased enough to create a new hothouse earth. Why do you think the climate should have reverted back to the conditions that were present millions of years ago? The Pleistocene began circa 2.8 mya and there have been periodic large-scale glaciations during that whole time.

[TheClimateChanger]

3 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

There were no scientific instruments to measure it of course but comparative analyses can be done between eras using tree rings and arctic ice core samples and even observing sedimentary rocks to determine when the largest storms or other events in a given era occurred.  There's a whole field called paleoclimatology that is based on this.

Using paleoclimatology we have been able to determine a giant hurricane (Cat 4?) hit our area in PreColumbian times (somewhere between the 1200s and 1400s.)  There is also evidence of a megatsunami possibly caused by a meteoroid strike (perhaps the same one that created Chesapeake Bay), it broke off into two pieces and one part hit down in the DelMarva and the other part hit near Toms River, the resulting megatsunami could have been over 50 feet high and left tell tale signs in the sedimentary bedrock of our near coastal waters.

 

 

 

We were talking about historic snows and I mentioned February 1798 in Norfolk, and one of the citations I saw given for that storm was to C. F. Volney's "A View of the Soil and Climate of the United States" (1803), so I decide to read this book. And I was quite surprised because he mentions parakeets [paroquets] overwintering in the valley of the Scioto River. I'm thinking "parrots in Ohio" - this guy must have been off his rocker.

It turns out there were literally parakeets in Ohio (and elsewhere in the eastern and central United States) and we killed them all. Insane.

Source: Carolina parakeet - Wikipedia