March DISCO/OBS: Please End It

[radarman]

2 hours ago, weatherwiz said:

Wow

AFW 66 knots, DFW 64 knots with that line of thunderstorms this morning...why we can't get that. 

Timing always blows this time of year.  Those lines come through the metroplex between 2 and 5 AM like 90% of the time.  Even QLCS leading edge spinups are rare for lack of surface instability.

[RUNNAWAYICEBERG]

52 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

Cuz it’s F’d up.  Totally Ridiculous.  But it goes in the books. Such crap. 

How mad are you about it being AN? Like throw a bottle on the runway mad..or ride your sled through the terminal and berate air traffic control mad?

[RUNNAWAYICEBERG]

2 hours ago, Snowcrazed71 said:

So Am I correct in saying that the GFS seemed to be more correct this winter with the cold temperatures over the Euro forecast. Where the Euro was much more reliable when it came to showing the big storms being a miss are going to our South ( Where's the GFS kept showing these big bombs hitting us before finally backing off )

More or less, yes. Euro had some bizarre big solutions in the mid range as well on some individual threats so it is a JAM.

[weatherwiz]

7 minutes ago, radarman said:

Timing always blows this time of year.  Those lines come through the metroplex between 2 and 5 AM like 90% of the time.  Even QLCS leading edge spinups are rare for lack of surface instability.

Yeah I’ve noticed that..they seemed to be primed for timing in that period of time. 

[WinterWolf]

10 minutes ago, Great Snow 1717 said:

BDL is +1.2 like the Pats, Jets and Giants made the playoffs..

Agreed!  But it will go in like that…and that’s pathetic. 

[Great Snow 1717]

1 minute ago, WinterWolf said:

Agreed!  But it will go in like that…and that’s pathetic. 

I agree.  What are unofficial sites reporting in the BDL area?

[dendrite]

Congrats BDL on the AN winter! 

[WinterWolf]

21 minutes ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said:

How mad are you about it being AN? Like throw a bottle on the runway mad..or ride your sled through the terminal and berate air traffic control mad?

This is funny.  
 

But I’d be irritated if it was mild and the thing had it below normal too.  This is the problem with alot of this automated crap. 

[dendrite]

5 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

This is funny.  
 

But I’d be irritated if it was mild and the thing had it below normal too.  This is the problem with alot of this automated crap. 

Techs went out there and tested the sensor and there was negligible error. It has nothing to do with automation. 

[WinterWolf]

3 minutes ago, dendrite said:

Techs went out there and tested the sensor and there was negligible error. It has nothing to do with automation. 

Something ain’t right. 

[WinterWolf]

11 minutes ago, dendrite said:

Congrats BDL on the AN winter! 

Total BS! 

[WinterWolf]

15 minutes ago, Great Snow 1717 said:

I agree.  What are unofficial sites reporting in the BDL area?

Definitely not AN that’s for sure. 

[Damage In Tolland]

Can look at HFD, IJD.. even Staffordville co-op 

[dendrite]

I’m not saying it isn’t off…it appears to be a good +2F to me. But the problem is apparently more than just a faulty sensor.

The good ol’ days weren’t always good either. 

[RUNNAWAYICEBERG]

9 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

This is funny.  
 

But I’d be irritated if it was mild and the thing had it below normal too.  This is the problem with alot of this automated crap. 

Just running TSA employees over with your sled. 
 

But agree, data needs to be good/legit otherwise it’s not data.

[dendrite]

5 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

Definitely not AN that’s for sure. 

We’re all above normal using 1961-1990. 

[Layman]

2 minutes ago, dendrite said:

We’re all above normal using 1961-1990. 

Is there a resource to compare current temps to the various 30 year norms?  Curious what current temps are like compared to the 1931-1960 period.  I may be mistaken, but I thought the 1930's had significant warmth but I may be confusing that with a lack of snow...?

[WinterWolf]

15 minutes ago, dendrite said:

I’m not saying it isn’t off…it appears to be a good +2F to me. But the problem is apparently more than just a faulty sensor.

The good ol’ days weren’t always good either. 

Agree that it’s more than a sensor.  But as Luke said…if it’s not good data, it isn’t worth Jack. 

[WinterWolf]

12 minutes ago, dendrite said:

We’re all above normal using 1961-1990. 

That 30 year chunk of time was dam cold though too. 

[dendrite]

30 minutes ago, Layman said:

Is there a resource to compare current temps to the various 30 year norms?  Curious what current temps are like compared to the 1931-1960 period.  I may be mistaken, but I thought the 1930's had significant warmth but I may be confusing that with a lack of snow...?

I have bookmarks somewhere, but I’m on mobile right now. Here’s some saved from the old BOX site with 1961-1990 normals. Click annual averages 
https://web.archive.org/web/20000815054151/http://www.nws.noaa.gov/er/box/

[Typhoon Tip]

There's two things going on concurrently ...

1   sensors being above normal

2  the baseline normal is actually a +d(normal)   

For sensors that are manifesting only minor error, it gets difficult to parse out how much is the sensor's fault vs the changing background state.

What's annoying is when any one attempts to divisively use the sensor's contribution to the error, to downplay and/or avoid accepting the background state. 

Having said that... yeah, in this case, +2 when every other surrounding climo site is mere decimals above or below ( most below...), that's fairly suspect.

[CCHurricane]

1 hour ago, Layman said:

Is there a resource to compare current temps to the various 30 year norms?  Curious what current temps are like compared to the 1931-1960 period.  I may be mistaken, but I thought the 1930's had significant warmth but I may be confusing that with a lack of snow...?

Black line is the 30-year rolling average; for BOS the 1930-1960 period was around 32.7F. Current "climate" is about +2F greater at 34.6F.

Most notable is that pre-2002 and over the course of +125 years, BOS did not once see a Dec-Mar winter where avg. temps were +37.5F. Since 2002 we've seen 6 years +37.5... 

https://xmacis.rcc-acis.org/ 

[wx2fish]

Euro is ugly in the extended. Sandbar weather may have to take a hiatus for a week or two

[Cyclone-68]

1 hour ago, radarman said:

Timing always blows this time of year.  Those lines come through the metroplex between 2 and 5 AM like 90% of the time.  Even QLCS leading edge spinups are rare for lack of surface instability.

I love predawn strong thunderstorms 

[weatherwiz]

Well spring is here, baseball spring training games well underway, the NHL trade deadline is a few days away, the Bruins have started selling off, I've heard lots of birds chirping today, we set the clocks ahead Saturday night. Curtains closed on winter...except NNE where I'm sure they'll sneak in another 20-30 inches by the end of April

[40/70 Benchmark]

50 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

Something ain’t right. 

 

50 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

Total BS! 

Poor Wolfie...having his one cold winter in a decade snatched from him.

[Baroclinic Zone]

3 hours ago, 40/70 Benchmark said:

Have the ham radio at the ready.

Ham in one hand, meat sausage in the other.

[tamarack]

47 minutes ago, Layman said:

Is there a resource to compare current temps to the various 30 year norms?  Curious what current temps are like compared to the 1931-1960 period.  I may be mistaken, but I thought the 1930's had significant warmth but I may be confusing that with a lack of snow...?

The 1930s were a decade of extremes.  I've looked up statewide records for hottest and coldest days, wettest and driest years for each state, thus 200 total records.  It's not comprehensive - haven't found any more recent than 2011 (no updated tables?) and only 9 of the 200 pre-date 1880.  That said, the 1930s own 55 records; 2nd place is the 1950s with 28.  The '30s records:

Hottest   24  (14 in 1936 alone)
Coldest   10 
Wettest    2   (ID, WA)
Driest      19

[Baroclinic Zone]

So much anger over an airport sensor. Get yourself a PWS and establish your own baseline.

[Damage In Tolland]

1 hour ago, WinterWolf said:

Agree that it’s more than a sensor.  But as Luke said…if it’s not good data, it isn’t worth Jack. 

You’re out in my backyard today ?