March DISCO/OBS: Please End It

[CoastalWx]

2 minutes ago, jbenedet said:

Laughable having PWM as same climate to Dover NH. 

That's like Gloucester MA vs BED.

Not really. Interior SE NH is close to PWM.

[jbenedet]

Just now, CoastalWx said:

Not really. Interior SE NH is close to PWM.

Nope.

[jbenedet]

56 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

MHT also reported ice accretion in the I group. So yeah it’s off.

This is just a poor critical thinking exercise, honestly. 

Sorry you didn't get the observations you were hoping for. Try much harder --if you can-- at explaining the physics/chemistry. Hint: those dews were sitting in the upper 20's. Was that broken too?

Perhaps 1 hour obs and 1 temperature probe isn't telling the full picture??? LOL.

 

This is pathetic level thinking here. 

 

[jbenedet]

We all talk about the need for consistent low level cad drain wile precip is falling for ice accretion. Surely you understand the science as to why that's the case or you wouldn't have a degree.

 

We got to see the physics and chemistry in full-effect.

End of story.

 

[Zeppy]

1 hour ago, wxeyeNH said:

31.7F Moderate freezing rain.  Tree damage is begining to occur.  We have yet to go above 32.0F

35 here, ice melting quickly. Still don't expect power back on today.

[Sey-Mour Snow]

45 minutes ago, dave_wx said:

They can be quite impressive to witness. I have seen a few events while living in Southern Ontario and now in New Brunswick, like this from Jan 2023.

What in the sam hell am I looking at in this pic

[40/70 Benchmark]

Just now, Sey-Mour Snow said:

What in the sam hell am I looking at in this pic

Old man winter's schlong

[CoastalWx]

20 minutes ago, jbenedet said:

This is just a poor critical thinking exercise, honestly. 

Sorry you didn't get the observations you were hoping for. Try much harder --if you can-- at explaining the physics/chemistry. Hint: those dews were sitting in the upper 20's. Was that broken too?

Perhaps 1 hour obs and 1 temperature probe isn't telling the full picture??? LOL.

 

This is pathetic level thinking here. 

 

You proved my point. The same thing happened at KBOS several years ago. Ice reported with temps above 32 along with fog with T/Td spreads of 3F or more. That eventually got fixed. Even Legro at GYX has noticed this about MHT.

[weatherwiz]

Hoping to see a strong wind gust this evening 

[Typhoon Tip]

8 minutes ago, weatherwiz said:

Hoping to see a strong wind gust this evening 

You will ... if you're hanging around 1800' in altitude, as the pulses of wind glide right over top this latex paint spill

[Typhoon Tip]

I hate the way WPC has such a nice looking piece of shit inaccurate graphic for the surface synopsis...

there's no way this warm front is n of the interior at this moment and this is their latest achievement in analysis

[weatherwiz]

3 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

I hate the way WPC has such a nice looking piece of shit inaccurate graphic for the surface synopsis...

there's no way this warm front is n of the interior at this moment and this is their latest achievement in analysis

Even a quick look at some mesoanalysis products such as sfc obs/theta-e you can easily see the sfc warm front is well south of there. At least the kink in the warm front is correct  

[jbenedet]

65/61 already in Trenton NJ.

[Typhoon Tip]

10 minutes ago, jbenedet said:

65/61 already in Trenton NJ.

assuming the warm front really gets N ...this doesn't look like maximizing the potential given the lofty DP relative to climo and ongoing miasma ceilings...

misty warm sector spuge

[SouthCoastMA]

pretty torch today

60.6° / 56.4°

[Typhoon Tip]

up to 44 from 39 an hr ago...   Sky seems lighter, tho still an impenetrable abyss   - making progress.   You can see the undercast on the hi res vis loop.  It really does look like a white paint spill underneath higher filaments gliding over top.  Like traffic passing over smudge on the highway.

welcome to the bottom of the dumpster known as SNE April

Griping aside, days are long-ish now with higher sun lingering at mid day enough that we'll probably start cleaving thru

[wxeyeNH]

Finally above freezing  32.6F   Birch bender or Birch destroyer?  Amazing we have power.

[Typhoon Tip]

1 minute ago, wxeyeNH said:

Finally above freezing  32.6F   Birch bender or Birch destroyer?  Amazing we have power.

You'll be 60 by 6pm

[tamarack]

14 hours ago, Snowcrazed71 said:

I think I finally get you. You're just trying to get a rise out of people. Plus, no person in there right mind would ever want this. So that's why I know you just do this to get a rise out of people. 

Maybe.  I was utterly fascinated by the NNJ ice storm in January 1953; it planted seeds of both meteorology and forestry which are still growing.  Of course, I was only 6 and people at that general age look at things differently than grown-ups.  My reaction to 1998, which was precisely 45 years later (both accretions came Jan 8,9) was vastly different, as I was then responsible for 160k acres of forest in Western Maine.

Because you need an ideal combination of cold  air drain, moisture and lift which usually only occurs over a relatively small area.

edit: a stalled front is also helpful.   It's one of the more elusive weather events.

That's one reason that 1998 was such a unicorn, causing catastrophic damage from Montreal to Moncton.  And that NB pic several posts up-thread reminded me of the state lot in Hebron (10 miles NW from LEW) in 1998.  I found a one-year twig of ash - perhaps 0.15" diameter - that had ice 3.0" x 2.2", about the size of a Pringles can.  Blades of grass had ice the size of soda cans.

[Torch Tiger]

I'm in PYM and it's 56F. Torch!

[SouthCoastMA]

11 minutes ago, Torch Tiger said:

I'm in PYM and it's 56F. Torch!

61° on the upper cape

[dendrite]

46 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

You'll be 60 by 6pm

I’ll take the under. BDL and LWM are still shitstained.

[Typhoon Tip]

27 minutes ago, tamarack said:

Maybe.  I was utterly fascinated by the NNJ ice storm in January 1953; it planted seeds of both meteorology and forestry which are still growing.  Of course, I was only 6 and people at that general age look at things differently than grown-ups.  My reaction to 1998, which was precisely 45 years later (both accretions came Jan 8,9) was vastly different, as I was then responsible for 160k acres of forest in Western Maine.

Because you need an ideal combination of cold  air drain, moisture and lift which usually only occurs over a relatively small area.

edit: a stalled front is also helpful.   It's one of the more elusive weather events.

That's one reason that 1998 was such a unicorn, causing catastrophic damage from Montreal to Moncton.  And that NB pic several posts up-thread reminded me of the state lot in Hebron (10 miles NW from LEW) in 1998.  I found a one-year twig of ash - perhaps 0.15" diameter - that had ice 3.0" x 2.2", about the size of a Pringles can.  Blades of grass had ice the size of soda cans.

1921 was a bit of a unicorn - not sure it reached up that far in Maine. Back then there probably wasn't a whole helluva lot goin' on up there I'm guessin' so no exposure, but who knows.

But interior SNE was demolished.  It would be interesting to redux that sucker given modern demographic explosion while dependency on infrastructure and all that.  And in fact, it extended almost to shore zones.  Pretty much the entire region was dealt 2.5"+ accretion. Reports were as high as 4" of rhymed gray.   Thing is, it was later reanalyzed to have had a coastal storm get involved of all things. Highly...highly unusual delivery method. 

[Typhoon Tip]

9 minutes ago, dendrite said:

I’ll take the under. BDL and LWM are still shitstained.

I could almost see elevations from EEN to the lower Presidentials surging past me down here.  I've seen these scenarios before when the cold is denser because it's saturated, and takes more energy to mix out... so we get a kind of "cold seclusion" - transient situation.  

But the models do have a bit of a llv jet - if we wanna call it that... and I've seen those also be remarkably efficient at scouring out at the last minute like 10 minutes before the CF, too.   

Plus, it'd be neat to see a leanin' ice storm by dawn, and crockus shootin' by dusk.

[Cyclone-68]

11 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

1921 was a bit of a unicorn - not sure it reached up that far in Maine. Back then there probably wasn't a whole helluva lot goin' on up there I'm guessin' so no exposure, but who knows.

But interior SNE was demolished.  It would be interesting to redux that sucker given modern demographic explosion while dependency on infrastructure and all that.  And in fact, it extended almost to shore zones.  Pretty much the entire region was dealt 2.5"+ accretion. Reports were as high as 4" of rhymed gray.   Thing is, it was later reanalyzed to have had a coastal storm get involved of all things. Highly...highly unusual delivery method. 

I would love to see a picture of this exact location from today. 

[Chrisrotary12]

Impressive fog this morning.

[SJonesWX]

53 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

1921 was a bit of a unicorn - not sure it reached up that far in Maine. Back then there probably wasn't a whole helluva lot goin' on up there I'm guessin' so no exposure, but who knows.

But interior SNE was demolished.  It would be interesting to redux that sucker given modern demographic explosion while dependency on infrastructure and all that.  And in fact, it extended almost to shore zones.  Pretty much the entire region was dealt 2.5"+ accretion. Reports were as high as 4" of rhymed gray.   Thing is, it was later reanalyzed to have had a coastal storm get involved of all things. Highly...highly unusual delivery method. 

DIT just got 2.5" of accretion in his dungarees.

[CoastalWx]

4 minutes ago, SJonesWX said:

DIT just got 2.5" of accretion in his dungarees.

On “elevated” surfaces. 

[jbenedet]

2 hours ago, Typhoon Tip said:

assuming the warm front really gets N ...this doesn't look like maximizing the potential given the lofty DP relative to climo and ongoing miasma ceilings...

misty warm sector spuge

Yea it certainly has that vibe.

 

BUT...

 

Syracuse NY 70/52, and that's in overcast.

SW winds 21, gust 29.

 

It's coming...

[jbenedet]

Albany 67/54...