dendrite Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 2 minutes ago, WinterWolf said: So are you pal. lol Fuck off 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWolf Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 27 minutes ago, weatherwiz said: But climate change does not mean it can't snow or be cold anymore...and it doesn't mean that places that don't typically get snow can't. That's the problem...99% of people don't understand what climate change means. anyone who thinks this or believes this is extremely misguided. It’s all a crock of crap…has been since we were going into the next ice age in the70’s. Yes the globe warms and cools..end of story. It will snow and rain and be cold and be warm as it always has. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWolf Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 minute ago, dendrite said: lol Fuck off Same to you pal…and then some! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2Otown_WX Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 7 minutes ago, weatherwiz said: I'm actually fine with the differentiating between the two. IMO, climate change and global warming are two very different beasts. By definition, all global warming means is the average increase in the Earth's temperature. And since coming out of the last ice age, the Earth has been on a warming trend, however, the argument is the warming is being accelerated and this is what then has branched into the climate change aspect. Who cares if the warming is attributed to natural cycles, human activity, a mixture of both, or because aliens on Pluto are directing lasers at us. Maybe climate change isn't a good term though. But with global warming, that doesn't mean every single location is warming or there can't be any cold. there still needs to be a balance so if its anomalously warm somewhere, chances are it needs to be anomalously cold somewhere...otherwise the Earth's energy budget and balance would be severely disrupted. but I guess one argument can also be this budget is already severely disrupted...the balance is off. Ok yeah that actually makes a lot of sense regarding the budget. However, the lay person isn't going to understand that context so like you said, we need a better term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 minute ago, WinterWolf said: It’s all a crock of crap…has been since we were going into the next ice age in the70’s. Yes the globe warms and cools..end of story. It will snow and rain and be cold and be warm as it always has. but why is it a crock of crap. Also, there is more to it then just temperatures and precipitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 All of this is because Steve got in the AI and gave himself 3 weenies 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWolf Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 minute ago, weatherwiz said: but why is it a crock of crap. Also, there is more to it then just temperatures and precipitation. Cuz it’s been changed more times than I could count. The globe warns and cools..it’s always been that way. That’s my opinion. If you think otherwise, that’s cool too. I’m out boys…enjoy the day. Not too bad out there right now. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Just now, WinterWolf said: Cuz it’s been changed more times than I could count. The globe warns and cools..it’s always been that way. That’s my opinion. If you think otherwise, that’s cool too. I’m out boys…enjoy the day. Not too bad out there right now. Its unfortunate how such a topic has been approached and then conveyed. It is not about the science, unfortunately. This is what happens when information falls into the hands of the wrong people. I 10000% agree with you the globe warms and cools and its always been that way but the concern is the acceleration of this warming period. Unfortunately for something like this the best course of measure would be for one to conduct their own research and not listen to the media. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Unfortunate that the topic has to be so polarizing. Next thing you know they'll say measles is caused by diet.....oh wait. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 7 minutes ago, weatherwiz said: Its unfortunate how such a topic has been approached and then conveyed. It is not about the science, unfortunately. This is what happens when information falls into the hands of the wrong people. I 10000% agree with you the globe warms and cools and its always been that way but the concern is the acceleration of this warming period. Unfortunately for something like this the best course of measure would be for one to conduct their own research and not listen to the media. The temp debates are dumb. Just clean the damn planet…the land, oceans, and atmosphere. Flatten the damn keeling curve and let the global temp be whatever it decides to be. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 4 minutes ago, dendrite said: The temp debates are dumb. Just clean the damn planet…the land, oceans, and atmosphere. Flatten the damn keeling curve and let the global temp be whatever it decides to be. Bingo, agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcostell Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 35 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said: I see the problem being elitists using questionable data to grift billions of dollars. The earth has warmed but spare me the histrionic. I see the problem as OUR earth is warming to the point of irrefutable atmospheric change that is now altering global processes and harming ecosystems with no cohesive plan to stop... while we argue about politics. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 7 minutes ago, rcostell said: I see the problem as OUR earth is warming to the point of irrefutable atmospheric change that is now altering global processes and harming ecosystems with no cohesive plan to stop... while we argue about politics. They'll take those arguments to their graves ... metaphorically gasping at their last breath for enough to utter a last sentence about why it's not CC while they are dying from a cocktail of direct and indirect causalities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Anyway…32 years ago we would be weenieing out right now. And hopefully Greta takes this pack this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisrotary12 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 25 minutes ago, dendrite said: The temp debates are dumb. Just clean the damn planet…the land, oceans, and atmosphere. Flatten the damn keeling curve and let the global temp be whatever it decides to be. Boy have I got bad news for you.... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 We may see southwest Connecticut kiss a marginal risk Sunday 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Just now, Chrisrotary12 said: Boy have I got bad news for you.... Half the people on my road can’t even clean their damn yards 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 32 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: Unfortunate that the topic has to be so polarizing. Next thing you know they'll say measles is caused by diet.....oh wait. It’s crazy to me that looking at a 50 year trend line is polarizing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 We might be at risk for some sort organized storminess out there. Maybe even a high height late blue snow. I think Scott might of mentioned something a while ago? but the +PNA seems to be gaining some momentum. These subtleties for increasing amplitude between the 20th and 25th fit that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, Ginx snewx said: Wonder who here benefits with research dollars. so if a scientist doesn't do research for free they're corrupt? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROOSTA Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 You's guys need a storm really bad to dissect instead of arguing over CC. Seasonal changes are predictable. I think most will agree the planet is warming. The equilibrium over the past few hundred years has persisted. Now look at it from say the past thousands, tens of thousands of years. Those changes are subtle with little analysis hard to see a trend in the changing climate. Let's keep it to 10 days. Fast forward 20k years mankind will most likely be gone as in extinct. Oh, how briefly we live upon this planet, we are only stewards. Hopefully we don't leave it toxic, uninhabitable for future generations to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWolf Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 18 minutes ago, powderfreak said: It’s crazy to me that looking at a 50 year trend line is polarizing. 50 years ago it as 1975…we were said to be going into a mini ice age at that time by science…so I mean pick your poison. It’s changing, but it’s always been changing. But I certainly do agree, let’s all try and be as good stewards as we can while we’re here. Keep things as clean as we can. And as was said, let the planet do what it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 55 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: Unfortunate that the topic has to be so polarizing. Next thing you know they'll say measles is caused by diet.....oh wait. Next winter when sne gets AN snow with a couple big events, that will be our proof to all of you GW elitist humpers that it’s a hoax. And if you stop eating eggs, you’ll gain girth between your legs. Oh, and prices will come down as well. A win-win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 16 minutes ago, ROOSTA said: You's guys need a storm really bad to dissect instead of arguing over CC. Seasonal changes are predictable. I think most will agree the planet is warming. The equilibrium over the past few hundred years has persisted. Now look at it from say the past thousands, tens of thousands of years. Those changes are subtle with little analysis hard to see a trend in the changing climate. Let's keep it to 10 days. Fast forward 20k years mankind will most likely be gone as in extinct. Oh, how briefly we live upon this planet, we are only stewards. Hopefully we don't leave it toxic, uninhabitable for future generations to come. That's an interesting one ... 1stly, agreed with storm need ... a dopamine inject into the 'crowd dynamic' would do wonders for people to at least become amenable to listening, maybe even considering. I mean, ever try to talk sense into an inconsolably irate teenage girl that just broke up with her boyfriend ? This storm depravation thing is 10 X's worse because you're dealing with something creepy similar to a heroin addicts withdraw syndrome. 2ndly... the problem in why-for there's increasing arguments with CC is that one side is getting triggered by a sense that holy shit, there's a real existential threat here ... Whether or not that culminates in extinctions ... particularly of us, the current leadership of this very powerfully influential sovereignty that we take for granted is fucking making that happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 25 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said: We might be at risk for some sort organized storminess out there. Maybe even a high height late blue snow. I think Scott might of mentioned something a while ago? but the +PNA seems to be gaining some momentum. These subtleties for increasing amplitude between the 20th and 25th fit that. Yeah I see what you mean. GFS op was trying. Personally I'm not expecting anything...but it wouldn't be some extraordinary lucky circumstance if something came about. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWolf Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 3 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: Yeah I see what you mean. GFS op was trying. Personally I'm not expecting anything...but it wouldn't be some extraordinary lucky circumstance if something came about. Well, this would fit in…just when we think we’re out, here comes a late season snowstorm. Personally, I hope not at this stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Just now, WinterWolf said: Well, this would fit in…just when we think we’re out, here comes a late season snowstorm. Personally, I hope not at this stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radarman Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Folks round here largely prefer this new climate regime and if anything tend to move south rather than north. Vanuatu might be screwed but a series of late 1970s winters would have people begging for the current status quo back. Is it taboo to acknowledge that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2Otown_WX Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 14 minutes ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said: Next winter when sne gets AN snow with a couple big events, that will be our proof to all of you GW elitist humpers that it’s a hoax. And if you stop eating eggs, you’ll gain girth between your legs. Oh, and prices will come down as well. A win-win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 14 minutes ago, radarman said: Folks round here largely prefer this new climate regime and if anything tend to move south rather than north. Vanuatu might be screwed but a series of late 1970s winters would have people begging for warm winters back. Is it taboo to acknowledge that? Not at all ... Or shouldn't be. Unfortunately, in this increasingly intolerant douchy civility that morphed culture over the last 30 years ( I blame the Internet/socio-technological negative feed-back on stability but that's a vast digression that results in a 784 page dissertation - ), you'd be hard pressed to find someone that thinks chalk isn't taboo But the problem is way, waaaay outside the bounds of just preferences ( I figure you know that ..just sayn'). Like I was just mentioning to Roosta, tongue-in-cheek ( but is unfortunately true - ), the problem with CC is the rate of the change. It's been exceeding species adaptation rates. When that happens, one of two things happens: either they go extinct, or ... diaspora to an alien ecology where they cause all kinds of havoc to the indigenous ... and end up causing 2ndary or tertiary synergistic negative feedbacks because the new ecology cannot adapt in itself to the arriving opportunists... There's really no end to that rabbit hole of complexities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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