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March DISCO/OBS: Please End It

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Typhoon Tip
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He launched an invalid interpretation of what I was discussing ... you bit on it as if that interpretation was correct, therefore ...blah This is how our society got a demagogue into power -

ORH_wxman
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Euro finally gives Kevin his catastrophic ice storm in clown range. Let’s do it. 

CoastalWx
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Definitely not letting us out. Well next two weeks. Maybe she lets us outside on a leash next week.

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Snowcrazed71

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2 hours ago, CoastalWx said:

You haven’t been beaten up enough?

I totally get what you're saying. But I also get what other people are saying. We've had a lot of opportunities that have slipped away as far as a big storm idea for our area. However, it's not over. Big things have happened in March. And we are in a pattern where if it breaks right, we could have something big. With that said, I understand where you're at, part of me is trying to separate that winter's almost over, but the other part of me tells me that there have been many opportunities in March that we've seen that put big smiles on everyone's faces. Just be careful what you say, because if something big does come along, you know you yourself will be just as happy and part of the conversation

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4 minutes ago, Snowcrazed71 said:

I totally get what you're saying. But I also get what other people are saying. We've had a lot of opportunities that have slipped away as far as a big storm idea for our area. However, it's not over. Big things have happened in March. And we are in a pattern where if it breaks right, we could have something big. With that said, I understand where you're at, part of me is trying to separate that winter's almost over, but the other part of me tells me that there have been many opportunities in March that we've seen that put big smiles on everyone's faces. Just be careful what you say, because if something big does come along, you know you yourself will be just as happy and part of the conversation

I did say that regarding your last sentence.

I’m sure we’ll have a nice 128 N&W event to top off winter. We can only hope.

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2 hours ago, Ginx snewx said:

Lots of warminstas in here and life.  Love it when we finally get a thaw for 3 days and everyone thinks winter is over 

I remember everyone at work and out and about saying that in 2018 when we had that February 70F torch and then we had 40”+ in March. :lol:
 

I’m sure this year will be 45F and rain. 

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This incoming week should get the Maple syrup industry up and running.  Unless that's already underway... but, I was under the impression that the sap starts moving when days are above freezing, which tends to begin in February, which is why tapping begins after Valentines.   If Monday-Thursday work out as 45ers and generally tepid west breezes under nape sun, that seems to fit.  

Looking forward to that, actually.   Even today ... it's 32 on the button this hour, but the wind is very light and sun is a different bird compared to what it was a month ago at this time.  The inside of my car is hot  LOL.  It's nice to amble a bit with arm crossed, pausing to stair for a moment. 

Later in the week my suspicion is that system between the 28th and 1st ends up piece-of-shitting like all else have.  I've really lost patience with this oddity of NOTHING lasting from extended into mid range without attenuation.   I'm not even sure it is the pattern and not just an artifact of the modeling technology.  I can remember us making this observation and ruminating/commiserating it's occurring with the models back in like 2018 at one of this meet and greets at Funky Murphy's.      Yeah, the pattern foot is more progressive, with S/W's moving very fast through a medium with strong base-line geostrophic winds setting air traffic air-land speed records...blah blah...  Not sure if it's just this latter aspect causing the models to do that... Either way, I can already see having to rely on the UKfuckumMET to maintain an event diagnostic for the 28th as a tempo for same dance.

Beyond that, there's still a -EPO, although the tele prog has backed off a little.  Hopefully, it continues to back off... I realize there are those that don't want winter to end, and will see any kind of mood post that doesn't agree as an affront to them personally ... but no.  I really don't want winter to continue.  PERIOD.   

I am however capable of compartmentalizing my druthers, and looking at the outlook objectively.   With/should a -EPO succeeding, we are not likely going to sustain a 3 day thaw in the foreground.  Prooobably have to go back the other way.   This is wrt to temperatures... 

Once we get out past about mm   Mar 10... that's when the last of any -EPO is behind; the ongoing -PNA and +NAO will probably mean a more meaningful seasonal change around then.  And no, this is not merely hurrying up spring every year.   That's for simpletons.   It's not just the teleconnector prognostics that signal that.  There's other aspects that no one reads when one writes about them -

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59 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

I remember everyone at work and out and about saying that in 2018 when we had that February 70F torch and then we had 40”+ in March. :lol:
 

I’m sure this year will be 45F and rain. 

I think it was closer to 80 degrees here. We had two years back to back with Feb reaching upper 70’s(‘17 and ‘18?) .  One of them had an upper 70’s day, and literally 24 hrs later it was snowing. 

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23 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

I think it was closer to 80 degrees here. We had two years back to back with Feb reaching upper 70’s(‘17 and ‘18?) .  One of them had an upper 70’s day, and literally 24 hrs later it was snowing. 

Yeah... this is the way I remember those heat bursts as well.   Actually was 81, 2017's then 79 2018.  I worked in Westborough/Rt 9 just east of Worcester, and my commute took me up 91 to Rt 2 every day. On the both afternoons, it was a similar weird experience having the windows down at 70 mph and still getting back sweat ... in February.  Never experienced that kind of heat, at that time of year, ever, in my life, living along 42 N as I have.

Just will add, we were at least 70 a couple of other years, too - just not quite as audacious as 2017 and 2018.  And in 2016 ( I think it was...) we soared to the mid 80s in that March.  

I think these occurrences are enough to set people's wick like it's possible to shut things down early.   And they are right.  

However, so is Will. 

Both are right... It can mean the end.  It can also NOT mean the end.  

March is a fickle month.  I remember back in 2011 I think it was, climate sites put up a nearly +10 month. That's hard to do.  That requires consistently warm readings from front to back door. I may not have the year right just off the top of my head, but I do recall the immense anomaly of it.  And seeing ridic early green up.  Even large deciduous species unfurling leafs prior to the end of the month. 

But on the other hand, we had some years in the last 12 where we warm burst in Feb, and with 0 indicators for a cold March, still ended thumped by major blue bombs. 

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48 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

This incoming week should get the Maple syrup industry up and running.  Unless that's already underway... but, I was under the impression that the sap starts moving when days are above freezing, which tends to begin in February, which is why tapping begins after Valentines.   If Monday-Thursday work out as 45ers and generally tepid west breezes under nape sun, that seems to fit.  

Looking forward to that, actually.   Even today ... it's 32 on the button this hour, but the wind is very light and sun is a different bird compared to what it was a month ago at this time.  The inside of my car is hot  LOL.  It's nice to amble a bit with arm crossed, pausing to stair for a moment. 

Later in the week my suspicion is that system between the 28th and 1st ends up piece-of-shitting like all else have.  I've really lost patience with this oddity of NOTHING lasting from extended into mid range without attenuation.   I'm not even sure it is the pattern and not just an artifact of the modeling technology.  I can remember us making this observation and ruminating/commiserating it's occurring with the models back in like 2018 at one of this meet and greets at Funky Murphy's.      Yeah, the pattern foot is more progressive, with S/W's moving very fast through a medium with strong base-line geostrophic winds setting air traffic air-land speed records...blah blah...  Not sure if it's just this latter aspect causing the models to do that... Either way, I can already see having to rely on the UKfuckumMET to maintain an event diagnostic for the 28th as a tempo for same dance.

Beyond that, there's still a -EPO, although the tele prog has backed off a little.  Hopefully, it continues to back off... I realize there are those that don't want winter to end, and will see any kind of mood post that doesn't agree as an affront to them personally ... but no.  I really don't want winter to continue.  PERIOD.   

I am however capable of compartmentalizing my druthers, and looking at the outlook objectively.   With/should a -EPO succeeding, we are not likely going to sustain a 3 day thaw in the foreground.  Prooobably have to go back the other way.   This is wrt to temperatures... 

Once we get out past about mm   Mar 10... that's when the last of any -EPO is behind; the ongoing -PNA and +NAO will probably mean a more meaningful seasonal change around then.  And no, this is not merely hurrying up spring every year.   That's for simpletons.   It's not just the teleconnector prognostics that signal that.  There's other aspects that no one reads when one writes about them -

I had tons of sap last year at this time. This year, barely any from even the southern facing trees. The ones in the woods, absolutely nothing...Definitely need some warm temperatures to kick start things. At some point we will get so warm that the trees will start budding and the season will be over.. 

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26 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

Yeah... this is the way I remember those heat bursts as well.   Actually was 81, 2017's then 79 2018.  I worked in Westborough/Rt 9 just east of Worcester, and my commute took me up 91 to Rt 2 every day. On the both afternoons, it was a similar weird experience having the windows down at 70 mph and still getting back sweat ... in February.  Never experienced that kind of heat, at that time of year, ever, in my life, living along 42 N as I have.

Just will add, we were at least 70 a couple of other years, too - just not quite as audacious as 2017 and 2018.  And in 2016 ( I think it was...) we soared to the mid 80s in that March.  

I think these occurrences are enough to set people's wick like it's possible to shut things down early.   And they are right.  

However, so is Will. 

Both are right... It can mean the end.  It can also NOT mean the end.  

March is a fickle month.  I remember back in 2011 I think it was, climate sites put up a nearly +10 month. That's hard to do.  That requires consistently warm readings from front to back door. I may not have the year right just off the top of my head, but I do recall the immense anomaly of it.  And seeing ridic early green up.  Even large deciduous species unfurling leafs prior to the end of the month. 

But on the other hand, we had some years in the last 12 where we warm burst in Feb, and with 0 indicators for a cold March, still ended thumped by major blue bombs. 

2012 was the furnace month. Everything was blooming and outdoor beachside bars hopping. 

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56 minutes ago, dendrite said:

My Top 3 March torches

1. 2012
2. 1998
3. 2016

Top 3 here, 1999-2024, with max, min, precip, snow

1.   2010   35.0   64    11    6.44     0.6
2.  2012   34.4   80   -10   1.85    14.6   That 90° is the greatest span I've recorded, 3° more than Jan 1979 in Fort Kent (which has had much the most extremes).
3.  2024   32.6   51     4    8.67   29.3

4th was 2000
 

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10 minutes ago, tamarack said:

Top 3 here, 1999-2024, with max, min, precip, snow

1.   2010   35.0   64    11    6.44     0.6
2.  2012   34.4   80   -10   1.85    14.6   That 90° is the greatest span I've recorded, 3° more than Jan 1979 in Fort Kent (which has had much the most extremes).
3.  2024   32.6   51     4    8.67   29.3

4th was 2000
 

2000 was 80+ I remember. Also I think mid-March 1990 had a sneaky 80s at ORH….very hard to do there. 

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