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FOLKS Feb 19-20 Debacle


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3 minutes ago, 87storms said:

At least it's cold and windy outside rn.

The devils advocate in me says that if it wasn't this cold or windy we'd have a shot on Wednesday night. But it doesn't matter.  I'm dying on this hill. I still think it's possible to pull off a miracle few inches of snow, so I'm going down with the ship.  :flood:

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Just now, nw baltimore wx said:

The devils advocate in me says that if it wasn't this cold or windy we'd have a shot on Wednesday night. But it doesn't matter.  I'm dying on this hill. I still think it's possible to pull off a miracle, so I'm going down with the ship.  :flood:

Every time it slightly ticks NW it then proceeds to go even further SE. The bullseye is now in South Carolina…

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Just now, nw baltimore wx said:

The devils advocate in me says that if it wasn't this cold or windy we'd have a shot on Wednesday night. But it doesn't matter.  I'm dying on this hill. I still think it's possible to pull off a miracle, so I'm going down with the ship.  :flood:

I still think we can get some sneaky snow showers when the upper level energy swings thru.  The coastal is a wrap, though.

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22 minutes ago, nw baltimore wx said:

The devils advocate in me says that if it wasn't this cold or windy we'd have a shot on Wednesday night. But it doesn't matter.  I'm dying on this hill. I still think it's possible to pull off a miracle few inches of snow, so I'm going down with the ship.  :flood:

All it really says is a fast progressive flow where not much can develop. Fast and stage right OTS. 

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2 hours ago, Bob Chill said:

Both the nam and icon hang the tpv lobe back a little opening the door for more amplification before the TN valley. One thing that can help anyone/everyone is the shortwave to accumulate as much gulf juice as possible before approach. That + a modest adjustment in track can make up some lost ground 

someone posted that JB comment yesterday “the better h5 gets the worse the surface gets” it got me thinking last night. And it brought be back to what you said about the upper low being “dead”.  You were right. Getting a TPV stuck under a block and having a lobe tear off into the upper Midwest isn’t that unusual. It’s how several of our big snows came about.  But it remaining totally disconnected from the flow and acting like a kicker instead of flow pinwheel and  amplifying force is what is unusual. The detached lobe is acting more like the actual TPV than a typical ULL after detaching from a TPV.  We wanted it further away not closer in that case!  
 

But I do wonder if there is a tipping point at which if it does get far enough south it has to phase v act like a kicker?  That might be our only hope since we can’t get a storm with a PV sitting that close to us and the ULL is acting more like a weak PV than an ULL. 
 

This might also be why I didn’t see any in between solutions. Either snows way way south or north. This just might be a rare enough scenario though that I’m not finding any examples because the first such instance since we started keeping reliable upper level data is about to happen. 

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1 hour ago, WEATHER53 said:

I expected protect the  supplier pushback.  What the name for that?

Starts  with an “a” 

But in the case of the gfs/nam/hrrr the supplier is US!  They’re all funded with public dollars. There is no profit.
 

We aren’t defending some corporate overlords. We aren’t taking the same hostility towards these sources because we don’t share your opinion that the shortcomings of the models are some nefarious intentional design. We think the people working on them are doing the best they can and our science just isn’t as advanced as we’d like yet. 

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1 hour ago, IronTy said:

How do they train the AI?  Do they use basically all the historical data since the modeling era?  If that's the case you'd think it would be able to analogue the shit out of just about every situation.  

I don’t know. I’m very curious though. It’s possible this method could do better at reducing errors due to sampling. Possible. I don’t know enough. 

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1 hour ago, JenkinsJinkies said:

This winter puts those extreme points to bed. Like you said, overall it is snowing less, however it’s not as bad as some of the panic posts had been suggesting these past few years.

Let’s just hope the PDO actually is flipping and we get a Niño probably in 26-27 and score then. That way it’ll shut them up for a couple years.

Who was saying it can’t snow at all anymore?  Who?  You say “those” Who is “those”. It’s been snowing. It snowed last year. It snowed in 2023, granted like 1” lol. We got snow in 2022. It’s been snowing every freaking year. Just less. Who is this mythical “those people” saying it can’t ever snow they you are discrediting. This sounds a lot like a scarecrow argument. 

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1 minute ago, psuhoffman said:

Who was saying it can’t snow at all anymore?  Who?  You say “those” Who is “those”. It’s been snowing. It snowed last year. It snowed in 2023, granted like 1” lol. We got snow in 2022. It’s been snowing every freaking year. Just less. Who is this mythical “those people” saying it can’t ever snow they you are discrediting. This sounds a lot like a scarecrow argument. 

The posts I'm referring to were getting the point across via subtext, reading between the lines shows how they were feeling. They were also not saying it'll never snow at all again, they were saying that a 2016 style event may not happen again.

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