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2/19-2/20 Miller A Magic?


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55 minutes ago, Daniel Boone said:

I hope/pray for a full recovery and wellness brother.

Thank you!  I am getting there.  Never had pneumonia but it sure makes one tired & short of breath.  Similar to Covid.  I even took the pneumonia vax due to my lungs being damaged from Covid.  Again thank you!

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1 minute ago, John1122 said:

It's wild how we used to have a Miller A system nearly every year and the last few years we can't buy anything but hand-off systems unless it's too warm to snow. 

Hopefully we see some better trends in the next 36 hours, instead of worse trends. 

Yeah, I remember when we had 4 in a month. I'm sure you do too.

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2 hours ago, fountainguy97 said:

Yeah what a brutal transfer.  Wish we could get back to the earlier phase solution but it is extremely unlikely at this point. 

almost completely blanks Western NC.

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Can confirm on this side of the apps - brutal trends! Just been a tough few years for us in the Lee. It’s been since Dec 2018 that this area has had a classic Miller A thumping. After Helene, I was hoping Mother Nature would reward the area with a good treat this winter but I have to remind myself that’s not how weather works. 

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Man, OHX got their Winter Storm Watch out earlier than usual! Gotta think confidence is increasing...

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
National Weather Service Nashville TN
134 PM CST Sun Feb 16 2025

TNZ005>011-023>031-033-034-056-057-059-170345-
/O.NEW.KOHX.WS.A.0002.250219T0300Z-250219T1800Z/
Stewart-Montgomery-Robertson-Sumner-Macon-Clay-Pickett-Houston-
Humphreys-Dickson-Cheatham-Davidson-Wilson-Trousdale-Smith-
Jackson-Overton-Fentress-Perry-Hickman-Williamson-
Including the cities of Lobelville, Dover, Ashland City,
Livingston, New Johnsonville, Lafayette, Mount Juliet,
Gainesboro, Celina, McEwen, Hartsville, South Carthage,
Nashville, Jamestown, Lebanon, Dickson, Kingston Springs,
Tennessee Ridge, Brentwood, Erin, Waverly, Carthage, Gallatin,
Centerville, Springfield, Gordonsville, Hendersonville,
Goodlettsville, Franklin, Byrdstown, Linden, Clarksville, and
Allardt
134 PM CST Sun Feb 16 2025

...WINTER STORM WATCH IN EFFECT FROM TUESDAY EVENING THROUGH WEDNESDAY MORNING...

* WHAT...Heavy snow possible. Total snow accumulations between 2 and 5 inches possible.
* WHERE...A portion of Middle Tennessee.
* WHEN...From Tuesday evening through Wednesday morning.
* IMPACTS...Plan on slippery road conditions. The hazardous conditions could impact the Wednesday morning commute.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

Monitor the latest forecasts for updates on this situation.

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31 minutes ago, *Flash* said:

Man, OHX got their Winter Storm Watches out earlier than usual! Gotta think confidence is increasing...

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
National Weather Service Nashville TN
134 PM CST Sun Feb 16 2025

TNZ005>011-023>031-033-034-056-057-059-170345-
/O.NEW.KOHX.WS.A.0002.250219T0300Z-250219T1800Z/
Stewart-Montgomery-Robertson-Sumner-Macon-Clay-Pickett-Houston-
Humphreys-Dickson-Cheatham-Davidson-Wilson-Trousdale-Smith-
Jackson-Overton-Fentress-Perry-Hickman-Williamson-
Including the cities of Lobelville, Dover, Ashland City,
Livingston, New Johnsonville, Lafayette, Mount Juliet,
Gainesboro, Celina, McEwen, Hartsville, South Carthage,
Nashville, Jamestown, Lebanon, Dickson, Kingston Springs,
Tennessee Ridge, Brentwood, Erin, Waverly, Carthage, Gallatin,
Centerville, Springfield, Gordonsville, Hendersonville,
Goodlettsville, Franklin, Byrdstown, Linden, Clarksville, and
Allardt
134 PM CST Sun Feb 16 2025

...WINTER STORM WATCH IN EFFECT FROM TUESDAY EVENING THROUGH WEDNESDAY MORNING...

* WHAT...Heavy snow possible. Total snow accumulations between 2 and 5 inches possible.
* WHERE...A portion of Middle Tennessee.
* WHEN...From Tuesday evening through Wednesday morning.
* IMPACTS...Plan on slippery road conditions. The hazardous conditions could impact the Wednesday morning commute.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

Monitor the latest forecasts for updates on this situation.

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That’s weird.  Rutherford not included. 

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1 hour ago, Daniel Boone said:

Yeah, I remember when we had 4 in a month. I'm sure you do too.

La Nina's don't offer up many Miller As.  During La Ninas, we often depend on NW flow(and sliders) which we didn't get this year during the cold shot.  We need a very weak El Nino (without La Nina characteristics like the recent one) for that.  We have been in a La Nina base state of late.

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North of I-40 in Tennessee looks ok right now but if we could get a 50 mile trend to the south, we would be in business. BAM weather on their last video thinks a south shift is possible. Also…. Just a little shift to the south would increase ratios north of 40. That would give us more bang for our buck without increasing qpf. 

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Just now, PowellVolz said:

North of I-40 in Tennessee looks ok right now but if we could get a 50 mile trend to the south, we would be in business. BAM weather on their last video thinks a south shift is possible. Also…. Just a little shift to the south would increase ratios north of 40. That would give us more bang for our buck without increasing qpf. 

Yes.  Modeling has been slowly creeping south during the last 36 hours.  We should be locked in by tomorrow morning one way or another.

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Just now, Carvers Gap said:

Yes.  Modeling has been slowly creeping south during the last 36 hours.  We should be locked in by tomorrow morning one way or another.

Is there any climo evidence that a solid high pressure over the top of a low pressure pass to our south ends up pushing the low further south than modeled? I don’t have a 1/4 of the knowledge you all do in winter storms but I can’t imagine this storm going back a little north in the 11th hour with how strong the cold push is on the NW side of the system. 

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1 minute ago, PowellVolz said:

Is there any climo evidence that a solid high pressure over the top of a low pressure pass to our south ends up pushing the low further south than modeled? I don’t have a 1/4 of the knowledge you all do in winter storms but I can’t imagine this storm going back a little north in the 11th hour with how strong the cold push is on the NW side of the system. 


im making a huge mistake here talking myself into believing common sense plays a role into forecasting winter weather in our neck of the woods. lol… take a breath Powell, or a Xanax. Lol

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3 minutes ago, John1122 said:

ICON looks good still. At least not like the NAM at all. 

I can’t remember but it seems like I’ve seen lots of chatter on twitter about the NAM not doing well this winter. I don’t think it did well in our January flizzard either. Correct me if I’m wrong please. 

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30 minutes ago, PowellVolz said:

Is there any climo evidence that a solid high pressure over the top of a low pressure pass to our south ends up pushing the low further south than modeled? I don’t have a 1/4 of the knowledge you all do in winter storms but I can’t imagine this storm going back a little north in the 11th hour with how strong the cold push is on the NW side of the system. 

If it creeps back north, it usually means the high was over modeled(in that particular scenario), OR it verified north of original guidance which I think is the most common problem.  Often modeling will overdo how far south the cold air actually gets.  Occasionally, it will under model very cold air as Arctic air is nearer the surface, and slides under 500 modeling.  And then of course sometimes it is just timing here in the subtropics where the base state mostly rain.

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