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2025 Severe Weather General Discussion


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1 minute ago, high risk said:

           It has nicely cooled aloft.    This is what I was suggesting earlier that there might be a window for a couple of hours past sunset with a severe threat, as mid-level cooling would compensate for surface cooling.   Unfortunately, with the line (or whatever is left of it) not getting into the DC area for a few more hours, I'm just hoping for a rumble or two of thunder at this point.

The good(?) news is that the surface is hanging in there so far.  I’m 66/61.  IAD is 69 still.

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3 hours ago, yoda said:

Maybe something in the Sunday into Tuesday timeframe of next week?  Large 15% day 7 from Michigan south to the GoM... day 8 has a mention of us but no outlooked area

That discussion indicates we will have similar issues to our prior severe "threats" this year so far. Thermodynamics likely to be lacking. Though again - the further we get into spring, the "easier" it gets to not get wedged in...though if you ask Eskimo Joe you can probably still count on getting wedged in even into June lol. 

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38 minutes ago, Kmlwx said:

That discussion indicates we will have similar issues to our prior severe "threats" this year so far. Thermodynamics likely to be lacking. Though again - the further we get into spring, the "easier" it gets to not get wedged in...though if you ask Eskimo Joe you can probably still count on getting wedged in even into June lol. 

The wedge always holds....until it doesn't. 

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11 minutes ago, Eskimo Joe said:

That's why I'm such a big believer in EMLs. They are vital in overcoming the various mesoscale fail modes.

They are just so unusual and finicky - and they often are super cagey at range. And the best we can *usually* hope for is a modified EML that loses a lot of punch as it gets to use. The "big events" are the ones that really have a robust one. 

I haven't done a deep dive - but I'm guessing June 2008 had one, we all know June 2012 had one. 

Minus an EML - tropical action going to our west is always a good bet for tornadoes. 

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17 hours ago, Kmlwx said:

They are just so unusual and finicky - and they often are super cagey at range. And the best we can *usually* hope for is a modified EML that loses a lot of punch as it gets to use. The "big events" are the ones that really have a robust one. 

I haven't done a deep dive - but I'm guessing June 2008 had one, we all know June 2012 had one. 

Minus an EML - tropical action going to our west is always a good bet for tornadoes. 

Quick look at the SPC mesoscale analysis archive.

MLLRs June 4, 2008: 6.5-7C/km (modestly steep)

MLLRs June 29, 2012: 8+C/km (very steep). Evening sounding confirmed MLLRs of 8.6C/km.

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