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2/12 Winter Storm


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1 minute ago, HillsdaleMIWeather said:

Grr also cut off their southeast counties

Kinda off since even if get shafted by the snow the ice plus snow would be warning criteria 

Confidence might not be quite high enough yet the "wintry mix/freezing rain/ice" would hit warning criteria.

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11 minutes ago, HillsdaleMIWeather said:

Grr also cut off their southeast counties

Kinda odd since even if get shafted by the snow the ice plus snow would be warning criteria 

Makes not sense for watch IMO.  They must be banking on a solid NW shift from all the major model guidance and buying the NAM 12k. :blink:

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13 minutes ago, sbnwx85 said:

Confidence might not be quite high enough yet the "wintry mix/freezing rain/ice" would hit warning criteria.

Nor should it be. You have the GFS with a weaker system sliding east of Cleveland giving huge snows west and NW of the Maumee River while the Euro & NAM take the SLP center directly over Toledo. That’s still quite a bit of uncertainty for 2.5 days out. I would lean towards the NAM & Euro at this time

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Izzi

Unfortunately, as far as amounts go, there remains uncertainty
in regards to specific totals. The uncertainty is driven largely
by the questions in regards to the snow:liquid ratios (SLRs),
with climo for southwest originating storms and the Cobb method
both favoring SLRs closer to 10 to 11:1. NBM guidance is
substantially higher, closer to 14-18:1, highest northwest CWA.
For this forecast have split the difference between the 2
extremes, though forecast soundings (particularly in the warmer
NAM) show a fairly deep isothermal layer closer to the -5C with
the heavier precip, which would tend to favor more aggregates
and lower SLRs.
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12 minutes ago, ILSNOW said:

Izzi

Unfortunately, as far as amounts go, there remains uncertainty
in regards to specific totals. The uncertainty is driven largely
by the questions in regards to the snow:liquid ratios (SLRs),
with climo for southwest originating storms and the Cobb method
both favoring SLRs closer to 10 to 11:1. NBM guidance is
substantially higher, closer to 14-18:1, highest northwest CWA.
For this forecast have split the difference between the 2
extremes, though forecast soundings (particularly in the warmer
NAM) show a fairly deep isothermal layer closer to the -5C with
the heavier precip, which would tend to favor more aggregates
and lower SLRs.

Wow that's quite a bit different than what DVN's disco mentioned early this morning.  Guess we'll just split the difference and go with 15:1 lol

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3 minutes ago, cyclone77 said:

Wow that's quite a bit different than what DVN's disco mentioned early this morning.  Guess we'll just split the difference and go with 15:1 lol

and Milwaukee

In addition to storm track and strength, there are a couple of
other uncertainties associated with Wednesday`s system. First,
as east to northeast winds become better focused early
Wednesday, and winds then turn more northerly during the day,
lake enhanced snow is possible for locations near Lake Michigan,
particularly from Milwaukee south toward Chicago. This could
result in higher totals for this area. Second, SLRs look to be
above average for much of this event, meaning this should be a
dry and fairly fluffy snow. However, several factors have to
come together just right to generate these higher SLRs, so any
deviation could result in lower snow amounts. For now kept SLRs
around 15:1 for this event, which is above climatology of 12:1,
but lower than what some guidance is showing (closer to 20:1).
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13 minutes ago, cyclone77 said:

Wow that's quite a bit different than what DVN's disco mentioned early this morning.  Guess we'll just split the difference and go with 15:1 lol

Well, LOT/Izzi is going with warmest/farthest northwest model (NAM) for this system. Kind of a bold call, but what do I know.   

There has been a bit of a northwest jog in the track of this
system in this morning`s guidance, most notably in the NAM.
Often times in strong warm air advection regimes, the NAM ends
up being closest to reality with how far north the snow/mix/rain
line gets, so did lean a bit more toward the NAM solution
bringing some freezing rain and sleet north into our far
southern and southeastern CWA.
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8 minutes ago, Chicago WX said:

Well, LOT/Izzi is going with warmest/farthest northwest model (NAM) for this system. Kind of a bold call, but what do I know.   

There has been a bit of a northwest jog in the track of this
system in this morning`s guidance, most notably in the NAM.
Often times in strong warm air advection regimes, the NAM ends
up being closest to reality with how far north the snow/mix/rain
line gets, so did lean a bit more toward the NAM solution
bringing some freezing rain and sleet north into our far
southern and southeastern CWA.

Rgem took a step towards gfs/ukie. Interesting battle setting up as usual.

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11 minutes ago, Chicago WX said:

18z GFS ticked northwest. I mean, I'm not surprised. 

They both take the low pressure on a similar track but the intensity is the big difference. Probably lil things at this point and will come down to nowcasting as usual

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