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February 11-12; 12-13: Are they real??


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3 minutes ago, DDweatherman said:

Its a different solution. Little space between the waves and a decent precip orientation at h84. Takes that first round south this run. 

So do you think the second wave would be a "hit" per the NAM? Or is this the path to failure @psuhoffman mentioned yesterday?

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In reality the storm is going to our NW...a little front runner wave sneaks out ahead when there is still cold and might give snow to our southeast...but in the larger sense what happened is more energy held back and is amplifying a wave too much so that it goes to our NW...which is kinda exactly what this pattern says is the most likely outcome, unfortunately.  It's why I had a hard time getting excited by those crazy snow means, it just didn't fit the longwave pattern. 

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1 minute ago, mitchnick said:

I'll repeat what I posted yesterday.  That storm moving off the SE coast Monday morning is pushing heights lower along the coast killing both northward progress and preventing a stronger overrunning flow. At least that's what I've been seeing on the fail models.

That isn't helping if we want to get some snow from the lead wave thingy, but the bigger issue if we wanted to actually get a legit snowstorm from this whole setup is the energy consolidating too much with the second wave.  I'm not even sure its accurate to call it that...its really just a bunch of weak waves along the boundary...and a few days ago models were keying on amplifying the whole thing sooner and not leaving any energy behind and that timed up the wave with our very short window of cold in an otherwise hostile period with the cold boundary to our NW.  Now they are waiting and amplifying a day later and...well no bueno.  The thing that confuses me in this whole mess isnt the result this is exactly what history says should happen, but why in gods name were all 4 ensembles (I saw the UK ensembles were nuts also) so damn sure out of all the possible variables and waves that it was going to amplify exactly the right time to hit us in such a short window we had for snow.  That's just weird to me, because there are so many ways this could have gone...so many small tweeks that send it in another tangent...yet all the guidance was like NO WE ARE SURE ITS THIS EXACT WAY and it was the only way that lead to big snow here...and obvsiously they were all wrong...I'd love to dig into what that was about.  Why they erroneously saw certainty in what I always saw as in inherently volatile unstable setup. 

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