The 4 Seasons Posted February 11 Author Share Posted February 11 17 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: It feels like JFK is weirdly low, there have been a few events this year where JFK had more snow than NYC. I also added up your numbers for JFK and they added up to 9.7 Good catch. i Just went back did some investigating. I didn't make an error. All my numbers do add up to 9.7". However it seems JFK changed their original report from the 1/19 storm from 2.2 to 1.6. That would decrease the amount from 9.7 to 9.1 which is what they officially have. I have no idea why they changed it for the official report after or it is an error. Also youll not that NYC recorded 1.6" for that event. I bet it was a book keeping error and they entered the NYC report of 1.6 for that 1/19 event instead of 2.2. I think ill tweet them when i have some time and let them know. Either they changed it for some reason or its an error. The fact its exactly the same as the NYC report from that date is also suspicious. Leads me to believe its an error 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 4 Seasons Posted February 11 Author Share Posted February 11 1.6" is the correct number. 2.2 was their error in the pns. I just heard back from okx @LibertyBell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 19 minutes ago, The 4 Seasons said: 1.6" is the correct number. 2.2 was their error in the pns. I just heard back from okx @LibertyBell Thanks. Wow, I was suspicious about that 1.6 from Central Park too and looking at the surrounding reporting stations, it seems like 2.2 for JFK is more supported than 1.6. So now both Central Park and JFK are recorded as having 1.6 in that storm? I wonder what the reason for the change was? Note Howard Beach, which is very close to JFK, measured 3.5 in that storm. That's a huge difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 4 Seasons Posted February 11 Author Share Posted February 11 Just now, LibertyBell said: Thanks. Wow, I was suspicious about that 1.6 from Central Park too and looking at the surrounding reporting stations, it seems like 2.2 for JFK is more supported than 1.6. So now both Central Park and JFK are recorded as having 1.6 in that storm? I wonder what the reason for the change was? Yeah weird 2.2 makes more sense but it is what it is 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Just now, The 4 Seasons said: Yeah weird 2.2 makes more sense but it is what it is and the lowest number in the entire county, it looks so off compared to the 3.5 at Howard Beach. I wish I remembered that storm better-- was it a snow changing to rain storm? Because 0.24 liquid equivalent and 1.6 inches of snow seems like a weird 8:1 ratio otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 4 Seasons Posted February 11 Author Share Posted February 11 7 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: and the lowest number in the entire county, it looks so off compared to the 3.5 at Howard Beach. I wish I remembered that storm better-- was it a snow changing to rain storm? Because 0.24 liquid equivalent and 1.6 inches of snow seems like a weird 8:1 ratio otherwise. Started as rain/mix changed to snow. Bust here we were under a warning for 5-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPcantmeasuresnow Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 4 hours ago, The 4 Seasons said: Good catch. i Just went back did some investigating. I didn't make an error. All my numbers do add up to 9.7". However it seems JFK changed their original report from the 1/19 storm from 2.2 to 1.6. That would decrease the amount from 9.7 to 9.1 which is what they officially have. I have no idea why they changed it for the official report after or it is an error. Also youll not that NYC recorded 1.6" for that event. I bet it was a book keeping error and they entered the NYC report of 1.6 for that 1/19 event instead of 2.2. I think ill tweet them when i have some time and let them know. Either they changed it for some reason or its an error. The fact its exactly the same as the NYC report from that date is also suspicious. Leads me to believe its an error And you believe the 1.6 surrounded by a sea of 2 and 3 somethings was a legit timely accurate measurement? Okay whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 4 Seasons Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 12 minutes ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said: And you believe the 1.6 surrounded by a sea of 2 and 3 somethings was a legit timely accurate measurement? Okay whatever. Did i say i believe that it is fully accurate timely report? I have to deal with BDR which is just as bad. But at the end of the day im going to use their climo data, it's official, it is what it is. I'm not going to change their numbers and just add an arbitrary amount to NYC or JFK or BDR or where ever. Also, its not that serious. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPcantmeasuresnow Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 59 minutes ago, The 4 Seasons said: Did i say i believe that it is fully accurate timely report? I have to deal with BDR which is just as bad. But at the end of the day im going to use their climo data, it's official, it is what it is. I'm not going to change their numbers and just add an arbitrary amount to NYC or JFK or BDR or where ever. Also, its not that serious. It's not, except they are the biggest city in the United States and they've been doing it for years. Sometimes it gets better for a short while when they pay attention. And I get it about Bridgeport too. They are always suspiciously low. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmillz25 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 14 hours ago, The 4 Seasons said: Good catch. i Just went back did some investigating. I didn't make an error. All my numbers do add up to 9.7". However it seems JFK changed their original report from the 1/19 storm from 2.2 to 1.6. That would decrease the amount from 9.7 to 9.1 which is what they officially have. I have no idea why they changed it for the official report after or it is an error. Also youll not that NYC recorded 1.6" for that event. I bet it was a book keeping error and they entered the NYC report of 1.6 for that 1/19 event instead of 2.2. I think ill tweet them when i have some time and let them know. Either they changed it for some reason or its an error. The fact its exactly the same as the NYC report from that date is also suspicious. Leads me to believe its an error This storm is the reason why I am at 13” 5 miles SE of Central Park for the season and they are at 11.8” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 9 hours ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said: And you believe the 1.6 surrounded by a sea of 2 and 3 somethings was a legit timely accurate measurement? Okay whatever. He doesn't think it's legit either. What makes it particularly ludicrous is JFK had it as 2.2 and then lowered it to 1.6 to match Central Park. I find that somewhat comical...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmillz25 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 4 hours ago, dmillz25 said: This storm is the reason why I am at 13” 5 miles SE of Central Park for the season and they are at 11.8” Updated. Bed stuy Brooklyn 1.7” for storm, 13.2” season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Up to 17" in Huntington Station after last night. Maybe a bit more but I measured this AM a few hours after the snow stopped. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 4 minutes ago, jm1220 said: Up to 17" in Huntington Station after last night. Maybe a bit more but I measured this AM a few hours after the snow stopped. our entire area is in double digits now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgwp96 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Up to 21.1 in northern Morris, these 1-3 storms aren’t helping much to get to average lol . Need at least one big one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 4 Seasons Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 Updated to include last nights light snow event and seasonal snowfall up to February 10th 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CPcantmeasuresnow Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 I have to say it one more time. This thread was a fantastic idea. Thanks again for updating and maintaining this. It's a great way to scroll through the whole winter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 4 Seasons Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 21 minutes ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said: I have to say it one more time. This thread was a fantastic idea. Thanks again for updating and maintaining this. It's a great way to scroll through the whole winter. Thanks, tons of works, so its good to hear people like it, makes it worth it...those seasonal maps take like 3-4 hours each, not to mention all the individual storms. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 4 hours ago, The 4 Seasons said: Looks good. That 13” line is a few miles too far north in Suffolk, but what’s a few miles between friends? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 8 hours ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said: I have to say it one more time. This thread was a fantastic idea. Thanks again for updating and maintaining this. It's a great way to scroll through the whole winter. You should see his maps for 09-10, 10-11, 13-14 and 14-15, a great look back at some of our most memorable winters! It was absolutely seeing a contour of 10 to 15 FEET of snow in 14-15 near Boston! I never thought you could see that much snow at the coast! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 On 2/11/2025 at 4:02 PM, EastonSN+ said: Yes it is. Don't know if you remember but a couple years ago and the New England forum I mentioned that my measurement in my yard is always low compared to my surroundings. I take three measurements one in the woods, and two in the cleared area of my yard and take the average. I do not clear snow I just take snow depth. What is odd is when I lived in Norwalk Connecticut pre-2015 I seem to almost always have the highest snow total. Not sure why this happens. Last time I had the most in the area was an overrunning event in January 2015 with 7. To get to my house you do have to go up a long sloped Hill. Not steeped, just long and it's facing south so I don't know if that has anything to do with it. I guess if there was a northerly wind I would be down sloped but slightly. It's wooded so I don't know why my measurements are usually low. Snowfall should be measured in an open area away from buildings or trees (e.g., not in the woods). I have some tall hemlocks out back and the ground under them often stays bare in a snowfall. Ditto some cedar in front. Some of yesterday's light snow fell never made it out of the trees. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 13 minutes ago, NorthShoreWx said: Snowfall should be measured in an open area away from buildings or trees (e.g., not in the woods). I have some tall hemlocks out back and the ground under them often stays bare in a snowfall. Ditto some cedar in front. Some of yesterday's light snow fell never made it out of the trees. I read that the relative warmth of the trees (dark colors absorb solar radiation, which occurs even when it's cloudy) is what makes the snow melt, in addition to preventing some of it from reaching the ground too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 4 Seasons Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 14 hours ago, psv88 said: Looks good. That 13” line is a few miles too far north in Suffolk, but what’s a few miles between friends? Too far north? i even put it south of where the NWS map has the 12-24" contour. Remember this ends on Feb 10th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 minute ago, The 4 Seasons said: Too far north? i even put it south of where the NWS map has the 12-24" contour. Remember this ends on Feb 10th. Hi, on your site, I saw your precise map of the 2015-16 season (one spot of 50" snowfall near Hicksville, NY), do you also have a map of the historic January 2016 blizzard? I want to see how extensive the 30"+ amounts were, I know they went from Allentown to Morristown to Somerville to Jackson Heights to JFK to Oceanside to Hicksville. But I've never seen a graphical hires representation of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 4 Seasons Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 47 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: Hi, on your site, I saw your precise map of the 2015-16 season (one spot of 50" snowfall near Hicksville, NY), do you also have a map of the historic January 2016 blizzard? I want to see how extensive the 30"+ amounts were, I know they went from Allentown to Morristown to Somerville to Jackson Heights to JFK to Oceanside to Hicksville. But I've never seen a graphical hires representation of it. just for ct for that storm https://www.jdjweatherconsulting.com/past-storms-15-16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 3 minutes ago, The 4 Seasons said: just for ct for that storm https://www.jdjweatherconsulting.com/past-storms-15-16 Thanks, is that 29.6 from Hicksville? Also please check the JFK amount, I think it was 30.7. There's also a 34.0 from Jackson Heights, Queens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 4 Seasons Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 Just now, LibertyBell said: Thanks, is that 29.6 from Hicksville? Also please check the JFK amount, I think it was 30.7 not my maps lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Just now, The 4 Seasons said: not my maps lol Oh I see! There was a revision of the numbers and seeing this map made me remember a big argument on this forum back in 2016, when this storm was ranked #4 all time behind March 1960. The NESIS calculations didn't include the revised data that upped the JFK total to 30.7. Based on the new data my contention was that this storm should rank higher than March 1960 on NESIS (widespread 30+ amounts in a densely populated area from Allentown to Hicksville) and should be number 3 on the list, right behind March 1993 and January 1996. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 4 Seasons Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 yea NYC was also changed from 26.8 which fell one tenth behind 2006 all time storm of 26.9 to 27.5...like 3 months later if IIRC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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