Discussion-OBS Weekend Feb 8-9 Another mainly 12 hour snow-ice event possibly changing to rain before ending Sunday. NYC-LI-S of I78 on the edge?

[Dark Star]

2 minutes ago, JustinRP37 said:

What has happened to forecasting recently? This is the second “winter storm warning” we have had this year for 5-10 and we ended up with barely 3.5. The only over performer was back in December with a “dusting to inch” that resulted in 5.5. 

Depends which time the forecast was issued.  I never saw an official 5" to 10" from the NWS, but who knows?

[Dark Star]

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

it was a consistent 3-5 inches, JFK and NYC got the exact same amount, which is interesting.

I think all our stations are now at or near double digits?

Nope.  8" for the season in Garwood NJ.

[JustinRP37]

4 minutes ago, ag3 said:

It’s weather. Weather varies. 3.5” is not a bad bust for your area. There has been much worse.

Enjoy what you got.

They just used to be much more conservative handing out winter storm warnings and more about the winter weather advisories. That is all I meant. 

[LibertyBell]

20 minutes ago, ag3 said:

There will be updates later. Just click latest snow totals on top:

https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=40.7877336&lon=-73.8106719

https://partnerservices.nws.noaa.gov/products/cf2683134646bf94474f9da9618b5ecf

Highest total around here 5.1 at Muttontown

[IrishRob17]

3" melted down to .46, the densest snowfall so far this year. 4" at the snow stake,  27.4" on the season. 

[dWave]

10 hours ago, Krs4Lfe said:

JFK is usually the lowest of the 3 climate sites, I expect that to be reflected by this storm as well. It’s funny because the way NYC is spread out, I feel like they are all equally accurate for their respective areas. JFK is usually indicative of south shore Queen/BK, Staten Island. Central Park is usually indicative of Manhattan and Bronx. And LaGuarida is usually indicative of the city’s largest borough, Queens. So I guess they each have some value but Central Park definitely under measures most of the time 

Yeah I agree they all have their place. For me, in the Bx I find I tend to match up with LGA better, espically when E to NE winds are a big factor. It better captures any Sound influence which will effect some eastern areas of the boro as well. It's also significantly closer to me than CPK (as the crow flies), it's easier to get in the same snow bands etc. LGA obs on avg are actually more similar year round, especially in Spring with back door cold fronts.

[anthonymm]

I was extremely incorrect. Too jaded from the past lol. It seems like we might make out decently this winter. Next storm looks like it's trending NW

[wdrag]

Hope we agree that the NAM and SREF are not always best... certainly not last night.  This time the EC-EPS kind of nailed it, Canadian and GFS not too bad either, as opposed to last Thursday when the NAM/SREF prevailed. 

That is why pronouncements need to be counted in uncertainty.  

CoCoRaHs for last nights snow attached. Please click for clarity and unless your amount differs by more than 20% from these numbers, please accept this as reasonable. 

[WxDom]

Any snow/ice reports we can include in our next PNS?

Please include time/location of measurement.

[mob1]

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

it was a consistent 3-5 inches, JFK and NYC got the exact same amount, which is interesting.

I think all our stations are now at or near double digits?

What's NYC at for the season now?

[LibertyBell]

10 hours ago, Krs4Lfe said:

JFK is usually the lowest of the 3 climate sites, I expect that to be reflected by this storm as well. It’s funny because the way NYC is spread out, I feel like they are all equally accurate for their respective areas. JFK is usually indicative of south shore Queen/BK, Staten Island. Central Park is usually indicative of Manhattan and Bronx. And LaGuarida is usually indicative of the city’s largest borough, Queens. So I guess they each have some value but Central Park definitely under measures most of the time 

JFK is usually the lowest only in mixed storms, in all snow event noreasters it's usually the highest (Feb 83, PD2, Jan 2016).

LGA is in a commercial area and usually hotter than the others

[BxEngine]

4” on the nose. 3rd event of at least a few inches, plus a white christmas, and a below avg (yeah yeah i know still warm as hell, not the point rjay lol) winter so far. Throw in a double digit storm at some point and this winter goes to a B+ or A- quickly. 

[LibertyBell]

2 minutes ago, mob1 said:

What's NYC at for the season now?

over 10 now, 10.9 I think

 

[LibertyBell]

13 minutes ago, wdrag said:

Hope we agree that the NAM and SREF are not always best... certainly not last night.  This time the EC-EPS kind of nailed it, Canadian and GFS not too bad either, as opposed to last Thursday when the NAM/SREF prevailed. 

That is why pronouncements beed to be counted in uncertainty.  

CoCoRaHs for last nights snow attached. Please click for clarity and unless your amount differs by more than 20% from these numbers, please accept this as reasonable. 

3.7 at JFK based on that map

[NittanyWx]

1 hour ago, JustinRP37 said:

What has happened to forecasting recently? This is the second “winter storm warning” we have had this year for 5-10 and we ended up with barely 3.5. The only over performer was back in December with a “dusting to inch” that resulted in 5.5. 

Everyone thinks it’s easy until they have to do it for a living, then it’s not so easy.

 

 

[NittanyWx]

18 minutes ago, WxDom said:

Any snow/ice reports we can include in our next PNS?

Please include time/location of measurement.

Mine was 6AM measure. 4.5”.  Wilton, CT

[LibertyBell]

Was there a snowfall total update? JFK snow amount updated to 3.4"....

 

[romba]

Eye balled about 3-4 here in Eastern Bergen county before the changeover compacted it down.

 

Was beautiful to see it really coming down hard for a couple of hours last night, hardest I’ve seen in about 3 years, and wasn’t bad shoveling as it came off in nice chunks.

[donsutherland1]

5 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Was there a snowfall total update? JFK snow amount updated to 3.4"....

 

That was the updated figure from the 7 am report. The 7 am reports for Central Park (freezing rain report, only), La Guardia Airport, and Newark have not yet been posted.

[WxDom]

2 minutes ago, NittanyWx said:

Mine was 6AM measure. 4.5”.  Wilton, CT

Thanks, wiIl get into our final report later today.

Latest PNS just out: https://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=OKX&product=PNS&format=CI&version=1&glossary=1&highlight=off

[WxDom]

1 minute ago, donsutherland1 said:

That was the updated figure from the 7 am report. The 7 am reports for Central Park (freezing rain report, only) and La Guardia Airport have not yet been posted.

• As of 7 AM...
• Central Park - 3.1"
• JFK - 3.4"
• LaGuardia - 3.6"
• Islip - 4.0"
• Newark - 3.0"
• Bridgeport - 5.0"

[The 4 Seasons]

i will be doing a map for the snowfall totals in the tri-state area so let me know your location and amount if you want to be included, thanks!

[donsutherland1]

The NWS New York PNS has just been posted:

599 
NOUS41 KOKX 091443
PNSOKX
CTZ005>012-NJZ002-004-006-103>108-NYZ067>075-078>081-176>179-100243-

Public Information Statement
National Weather Service New York NY
943 AM EST Sun Feb 9 2025

...SNOWFALL AND ICE REPORTS FROM SATURDAY EVENING THROUGH THIS MORNING...

...SNOWFALL REPORTS...

Location                     Amount    Time/Date       Provider             

...Connecticut...

...Fairfield County...
Bridgeport Airport           5.0 in    0700 AM 02/09   Official NWS Obs     
Bridgeport                   5.0 in    0700 AM 02/09   HADS                 
1 E Danbury                  5.0 in    0700 AM 02/09   Trained Spotter      
New Canaan                   5.0 in    0800 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
Ridgefield                   4.8 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
Ridgefield 2.4 NNE           4.6 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
Bethel                       4.5 in    0600 AM 02/09   Emergency Mngr       
3 NNE Southport              4.4 in    0600 AM 02/09   Public               
Stamford 1.0 S               4.4 in    0800 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
4 NNW New Fairfield          4.2 in    0630 AM 02/09   Trained Spotter      
Southport                    4.1 in    0130 AM 02/09   Public               
Norwalk                      4.1 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
2 N Stamford                 4.1 in    0800 AM 02/09   Public               
Stratford                    4.0 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
Easton                       4.0 in    0800 AM 02/09   Public               
2 SSW Weston                 3.8 in    1200 AM 02/09   Trained Spotter      
Bethel 4.5 SSE               3.7 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             

...Middlesex County...
Killingworth                 4.5 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
Clinton                      4.4 in    0900 AM 02/09   Broadcast Media      
Durham                       4.0 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
Higganum                     4.0 in    0800 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
Westbrook                    3.8 in    0649 AM 02/09   Trained Spotter      
Middlefield 1.4 W            3.7 in    0600 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             

...New Haven County...
Hamden                       5.2 in    0800 AM 02/09   Trained Spotter      
Seymour                      5.0 in    0107 AM 02/09   Trained Spotter      
North Haven                  5.0 in    0810 AM 02/09   Trained Spotter      
Madison Center 1.3 N         4.2 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
1 ENE North Haven            4.0 in    1200 AM 02/09   Trained Spotter      
Branford                     4.0 in    1200 AM 02/09   Public               
Southbury 2.3 W              4.0 in    0800 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
Wallingford                  3.8 in    0825 AM 02/09   Public               
1 NNW Meriden                3.6 in    0145 AM 02/09   Public               
Prospect                     3.6 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
Naugatuck                    3.5 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
Meriden                      3.5 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
Waterbury                    3.3 in    1230 AM 02/09   Trained Spotter      
Waterbury                    3.0 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             

...New London County...
Old Lyme 1.7 NNE             5.0 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
New London                   4.7 in    0600 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
Mystic                       4.6 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
Groton                       4.5 in    0100 AM 02/09   Public               
Niantic                      4.5 in    0500 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
East Lyme                    4.5 in    0600 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
Pawcatuck                    4.5 in    0800 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
1 SSW New London             4.2 in    0245 AM 02/09   Trained Spotter      
Waterford                    4.2 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
Norwich                      4.0 in    0700 AM 02/09   COOP                 
Norwich 5.2 SE               4.0 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
Uncasville 2.4 NNW           3.9 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
4 SW Voluntown               3.8 in    0727 AM 02/09   Public                     
Norwich                      3.6 in    0600 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             

...New Jersey...

...Bergen County...
North Arlington              3.0 in    0800 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
Montvale 1.8 ESE             3.0 in    0800 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
Oakland                      3.0 in    0800 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
Fair Lawn                    3.0 in    0822 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
East Rutherford              2.9 in    1050 PM 02/08   Trained Spotter      
Franklin Lakes               2.6 in    1025 PM 02/08   Public               
Hasbrouck Heights            2.5 in    1151 AM 02/08   Public               
River Edge 0.4 NNE           1.8 in    0600 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             

...Essex County...
West Orange                  3.0 in    0100 AM 02/09   Public               
North Caldwell               3.0 in    0445 AM 02/09   Public               
Montclair                    2.8 in    0800 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             

...Hudson County...
Harrison                     2.8 in    0700 AM 02/09   COOP                 
1 WSW Hoboken                2.6 in    0800 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
Hoboken                      2.1 in    1000 PM 02/08   Trained Spotter      

...Passaic County...
Little Falls                 3.1 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             

...Union County...
Newark Airport               3.0 in    0700 AM 02/09   Official NWS Obs     
Elizabeth                    2.8 in    1200 AM 02/09   Trained Spotter      
Cranford Twp 0.6 NNW         2.4 in    0800 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
Westfield                    2.0 in    0615 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             

...New York...

...Bronx County...
1 ENE Fordham                4.6 in    1215 AM 02/09   Public               
1 NW Fordham                 3.1 in    0701 AM 02/09                        

...Kings County...
1 WNW Crown Heights          3.0 in    1200 AM 02/09   Trained Spotter      
Sheepshead Bay               3.0 in    1230 AM 02/09   Trained Spotter      
Midwood                      2.8 in    1200 AM 02/09   Broadcast Media      

...Nassau County...
Muttontown                   5.1 in    1250 AM 02/09   Public               
Jericho                      4.9 in    1200 AM 02/09   Public               
Hicksville 1.4 SSE           4.3 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
2 N Massapequa               4.2 in    0250 AM 02/09   Trained Spotter      
Syosset                      4.0 in    1230 AM 02/09   Trained Spotter      
Manhasset Hills              3.9 in    1200 AM 02/09   Public               
Herricks                     3.9 in    0830 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
Westbury                     3.8 in    1045 PM 02/08   Public               
Floral Park                  3.7 in    1200 AM 02/09   Public               
Plainview                    3.6 in    0245 AM 02/09   Public               
Farmingdale                  3.5 in    1045 PM 02/08   Public               
1 WSW Plainview              3.5 in    1051 PM 02/08   Public               
Hicksville                   3.5 in    1130 PM 02/08   Public               
Syosset                      3.5 in    0800 AM 02/09   COOP                 
Massapequa Park              3.2 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
Sea Cliff                    3.1 in    1133 PM 02/08   Public               
Bellmore                     3.0 in    1115 PM 02/08   Public               
Bethpage                     2.8 in    1050 PM 02/08   Public               
Merrick                      2.8 in    0115 AM 02/09   Trained Spotter      
Seaford 0.4 SE               2.2 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             

...New York (Manhattan) County...
Central Park                 3.1 in    0700 AM 02/09   Official NWS Obs     
1 SSW Greenwich Village      1.5 in    0830 AM 02/09   Public               

...Orange County...
Washingtonville              4.1 in    0600 AM 02/09   Trained Spotter      
Chester                      3.9 in    0825 AM 02/09   Public               
4 SSE Chester                3.8 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
1 WNW Monroe                 3.8 in    0700 AM 02/09   Trained Spotter      
2 E Highland Mills           3.5 in    1100 PM 02/08   Public               
Warwick                      3.1 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
Greenwood Lake               2.8 in    0800 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
Port Jervis                  2.6 in    0630 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             

...Putnam County...
Cold Spring                  3.0 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             

...Queens County...
Whitestone                   4.1 in    0800 AM 02/09   Public               
NYC/La Guardia               3.6 in    0700 AM 02/09   Official NWS Obs     
NYC/JFK                      3.4 in    0925 AM 02/09   Official NWS Obs     
Little Neck 0.3 SE           3.2 in    0800 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
Bellerose                    3.1 in    1225 AM 02/09   Public               
2 S Elmhurst                 2.4 in    0730 AM 02/09   Trained Spotter      

...Richmond County...
Dongan Hills                 2.2 in    1250 AM 02/09   Public               

...Rockland County...
Stony Point                  3.9 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
New City                     3.5 in    0700 AM 02/09   Trained Spotter      

...Suffolk County...
1 SSE Commack                5.0 in    0100 AM 02/09   Public               
Hauppauge                    5.0 in    0230 AM 02/09   Public               
Smithtown                    5.0 in    0445 AM 02/09   Trained Spotter      
Ridge 1.5 SE                 5.0 in    0500 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
Commack                      4.8 in    1215 AM 02/09   Public               
Hampton Bays                 4.8 in    0150 AM 02/09   Public               
1 S Port Jefferson           4.8 in    0230 AM 02/09   Public               
Centerport                   4.7 in    0700 AM 02/09   COOP                 
Upton                        4.6 in    0700 AM 02/09   COOP                 
Yaphank                      4.5 in    1115 PM 02/08   Public               
Centereach                   4.5 in    1205 AM 02/09   NWS Employee         
North Patchogue              4.5 in    0105 AM 02/09   Public               
Stony Brook                  4.5 in    0130 AM 02/09   Public               
1 N Setauket-East Seta       4.5 in    0555 AM 02/09   NWS Employee         
Commack 1.3 SW               4.5 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
Smithtown                    4.5 in    0720 AM 02/09   Trained Spotter      
Stony Brook                  4.4 in    0845 AM 02/09   NWS Employee         
Ridge                        4.3 in    1159 PM 02/08   COCORAHS             
Ronkonkoma                   4.3 in    1230 AM 02/09   Public               
Hauppauge                    4.3 in    0720 AM 02/09   Trained Spotter      
2 E Commack                  4.3 in    0730 AM 02/09   Broadcast Media      
Miller Place                 4.2 in    1150 AM 02/08   Public               
Center Moriches              4.1 in    0600 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
Islip Terrace                4.0 in    1200 AM 02/09   Trained Spotter      
1 WSW Commack                4.0 in    1200 AM 02/09   Broadcast Media      
Islip Airport                4.0 in    0700 AM 02/09   Official NWS Obs     
Deer Park                    3.8 in    1240 AM 02/09   Public               
East Quogue                  3.6 in    0400 AM 02/09   NWS Employee         
Sayville                     3.5 in    1055 PM 02/08   Public               
Patchogue                    3.4 in    1115 PM 02/08   NWS Employee         
Babylon                      3.3 in    1030 PM 02/08   Public               
Islip Terrace 0.5 W          3.3 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
Smithtown                    3.2 in    0945 PM 02/08   Public               
Amityville                   3.0 in    0800 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
Manorville                   2.9 in    1024 PM 02/08   Public               
Sayville                     2.9 in    0700 AM 02/09   NWS Employee         
Bay Shore                    2.9 in    0730 AM 02/09   NWS Employee         
East Islip                   2.5 in    1045 PM 02/08   Public               

...Westchester County...
Armonk                       4.0 in    0800 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
Peekskill                    4.0 in    0800 AM 02/09   Trained Spotter      
Shrub Oak                    3.8 in    0630 AM 02/09   COOP                 
Peekskill 2.8 NNE            3.7 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
South Salem                  3.7 in    0715 AM 02/09   COCORAHS             
Eastchester                  3.5 in    1135 PM 02/08   Public               
Ossining                     3.5 in    1215 AM 02/09   Public               
Croton-on-Hudson             3.3 in    1240 AM 02/09   Public               

...FREEZING RAIN REPORTS...

Location                     Amount    Time/Date       Provider             

...Connecticut...

...Fairfield County...
Bridgeport Airport           0.08 in   0652 AM 02/09   ASOS                 
Danbury Airport              0.02 in   0209 AM 02/09   ASOS                 

...New Haven County...
Meriden Airport              0.05 in   0729 AM 02/09   ASOS                 
New Haven Airport            0.01 in   0722 AM 02/09   ASOS                 

...New Jersey...

...Essex County...
Caldwell                     0.08 in   0653 AM 02/09   ASOS                 

...New York...

...New York (Manhattan) County...
Central Park                 0.03 in   0651 AM 02/09   ASOS                 

...Orange County...
1 WNW Monroe                 0.06 in   0700 AM 02/09   Trained Spotter      
Montgomery Airport           0.02 in   0654 AM 02/09   AWOS                 

...Suffolk County...
Islip Airport                0.10 in   0700 AM 02/09   Official NWS Obs                 
Shirley Airport              0.01 in   0726 AM 02/09   ASOS                 
Westhampton Airport            T  in   0153 AM 02/09   ASOS                 
&&

[WestBabylonWeather]

36 minutes ago, WxDom said:

Any snow/ice reports we can include in our next PNS?

Please include time/location of measurement.

I measured 3” at 10:24pm in west babylon but we definitely got another inch which coincides with other reports around me 

[Picard]

49 minutes ago, wdrag said:

Hope we agree that the NAM and SREF are not always best... certainly not last night.  This time the EC-EPS kind of nailed it, Canadian and GFS not too bad either, as opposed to last Thursday when the NAM/SREF prevailed. 

That is why pronouncements beed to be counted in uncertainty.  

CoCoRaHs for last nights snow attached. Please click for clarity and unless your amount differs by more than 20% from these numbers, please accept this as reasonable. 

We're spot on with you on Sparta.
I measured 2.4", broken out with my best estimates as follows:
1" of snow
1.2" of sleet, 
0.1" ZR
0.1" snow to finish.

 

[Allsnow]

Rgem bumped north 

[Rjay]

1 hour ago, Sampson said:

Not all that much snow overall this winter, but I’ve enjoyed the season more than many in the past where we had more. Feels like we had snow on the ground since 12/20 and lots of little events to track. Pretty cold too. I give it a solid B right now. 

Many kids wish you were their teacher lol 

[WestBabylonWeather]

Too many misses and too much missed opportunity in January for me to give it a B but I like the enthusiasm

[Rjay]

49 minutes ago, BxEngine said:

4” on the nose. 3rd event of at least a few inches, plus a white christmas, and a below avg (yeah yeah i know still warm as hell, not the point rjay lol) winter so far. Throw in a double digit storm at some point and this winter goes to a B+ or A- quickly. 

This month could easily change this winter from a D to B+/A- but we'll see. 

[USCG RS]

2 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

wow so the lightning actually hit the snow and melted it? how fascinating!

To my understanding, it was more that the latent heat from the sheer amount of lighting in the atmosphere was enough to cause the heat to melt the snow.