Brian D Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 After getting our region updated back to 1806, noticed something from the annual chart, and my MSP area corrected dataset. Early 1820's into the early 1830's were rather warm overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 nice dendrites with the morning mood dust 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Pretty big difference across Iowa this morning with 25 in the southeast, and -13 out in northwestern Iowa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrdIowPitMsp Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 -8 at MSP. Standard winter cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian D Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 -10's to -30's across NE MN this morning. Pretty much a cold week ahead with similar a.m. numbers on tap. Enjoy your winter stms in the S sub. My bitter is usually your snow hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 16 hours ago, Brian D said: Think your right. It's taking a bit longer. I also wonder if it has to do with how dry it has been. Not getting all that additional frozen precip falling into the lakes. Kinda like a glass of water cools faster with ice being added than just sitting in a cold room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian D Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 2 hours ago, Lightning said: I also wonder if it has to do with how dry it has been. Not getting all that additional frozen precip falling into the lakes. Kinda like a glass of water cools faster with ice being added than just sitting in a cold room. Thought about that later. Really hasn't been much snow hitting the Lake up here. You do get light stuff from the LES that helps, but synoptic help is a plus as it's much more widespread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartman Posted February 11 Author Share Posted February 11 By the time Friday comes, it will already be halfway through the month with literally no snowfall for the month so far. Just had the least snowiest February ever back in 2023 with only 0.1" for that February. #FebruarytoForget Suicide weather today. It's going to be that kind of week. Certainly a crappy weekend upcoming following Valentine's Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 38 minutes ago, Spartman said: By the time Friday comes, it will already be halfway through the month with literally no snowfall for the month so far. Just had the least snowiest February ever back in 2023 with only 0.1" for that February. #FebruarytoForget Suicide weather today. It's going to be that kind of week. Certainly a crappy weekend upcoming following Valentine's Day. Certainly a brutal start to February for Dayton. Since 1894, I could find only 5 years without at least some snowflakes flying in the first 10 days of the month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 34 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said: Certainly a brutal start to February for Dayton. Since 1894, I could find only 5 years without at least some snowflakes flying in the first 10 days of the month. Meanwhile, it has been 4,429 days since the last calendar day snowfall of 6.2" or more at Dayton. At this point, I'm unsure whether Dayton will see a daily snowfall that high ever again. I initially believed this to be a record; however, I noticed xMacis culminates streaks at days with missing data. Allowing for missing days, two potentially longer stretches arise. Of course, one would have to examine those streaks to see whether the missing data is impacted the longevity. The last time Dayton saw a snowfall that high was Boxing Day of 2012. That's a long time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackstraw Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 1 hour ago, Spartman said: By the time Friday comes, it will already be halfway through the month with literally no snowfall for the month so far. Just had the least snowiest February ever back in 2023 with only 0.1" for that February. #FebruarytoForget Suicide weather today. It's going to be that kind of week. Certainly a crappy weekend upcoming following Valentine's Day. That full run of the 12Z Euro to finish the month is ridiculously cruel. I'm not even going to post an image of such cruelty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrdIowPitMsp Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Heavy overcast and -2 this morning. Stacking below zero lows efficiently this month. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian D Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Significant cold this morning. I-Falls -33 (5th), Hibbing -36 (2nd), Duluth -26 (4th), Brainerd -29 (t4th), Park Rapids -29 (t5th), St. Cloud -19 (t5th), and Ashland, WI -18 (t6th). And it's not unusual for NWS DLH to undercast a.m. temps as you'll notice from yesterdays story board. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian D Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/4/2025 at 11:21 AM, Brian D said: Ice conditions as of Feb 3. Here's the current ice conditions as of Feb 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/8/2025 at 10:23 PM, mississaugasnow said: YHM was at 13.2" yesterday. My backyard was just above 14" This storm will end up being 4-8" for us I was doing some more research on Toronto seasonal snowfall. Look at these historic winter snow totals from the 19th century. Those are some "old-fashioned" winters! March 1870 must have been insane - wow! 62.4 inches of snow, with a 26.8F mean temperature. 21.5" of snow from the 15th to 17th, and 20" from the 26th to 28th. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowstorms Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 3 hours ago, TheClimateChanger said: I was doing some more research on Toronto seasonal snowfall. Look at these historic winter snow totals from the 19th century. Those are some "old-fashioned" winters! March 1870 must have been insane - wow! 62.4 inches of snow, with a 26.8F mean temperature. 21.5" of snow from the 15th to 17th, and 20" from the 26th to 28th. I wish there was more detailed records of some of these historic winters in the 1800s. Nothing has ever come close to how snowy some of them were. And I'm not sure why? Not sure if theres stations in Michigan, Ohio, or Illinois that go back that far? Even from a temperature standpoint and not just in winter, but yearly. Not sure if its a result of UHI, but a lot of the summers in the 1800s in Toronto were cold by today's standards only averaging around 68 (+/- 1.5). However, some of the numbers at YYZ are questionable for some winters especially 07-08. Every station in Toronto recorded 90-100" that winter with YYZ only at 76". Consequently YYZ fell short by 5" from breaking the all-time record (1938-39). Similar story with 08-09. YYZ recorded 60" but most stations were 70+". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Since today's system significantly underperformed compared to how it was looking a few days ago futility is still technically on the table for MLI. So far today they've officially picked up only an inch. Will probably end up with <3" for the storm total, which will keep seasonal total <6.5". With the way things are going the Fri-Sat system will find a way to miss or underperform. After that who knows how things go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrdIowPitMsp Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 -8F another chilly morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torchageddon Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Its been consistently cold here for a long time, typically <-4C/15F. Getting fewer peeks of sun recently so grumbling about that one. We got surprise snows on and off all last weekend which bumped totals even further. With the 15cm I got from this mediocre snowfall, I'll receive more from les today all the way til Tues! WUN has me for 9cm sat sun mon while twn just 5cm each day with 10-15 on Sun's system. TWN 14-day for entertainment shows snow of some form every day til Feb 23!! Solid snowy winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian D Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 On 2/12/2025 at 9:11 AM, Brian D said: Here's the current ice conditions as of Feb 11. Some big changes in just 1 day. The next arctic wave should cause some bigger increases depending on the wind velocities. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxim Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 On 2/12/2025 at 3:10 PM, Snowstorms said: I wish there was more detailed records of some of these historic winters in the 1800s. Nothing has ever come close to how snowy some of them were. And I'm not sure why? Not sure if theres stations in Michigan, Ohio, or Illinois that go back that far? Even from a temperature standpoint and not just in winter, but yearly. Not sure if its a result of UHI, but a lot of the summers in the 1800s in Toronto were cold by today's standards only averaging around 68 (+/- 1.5). However, some of the numbers at YYZ are questionable for some winters especially 07-08. Every station in Toronto recorded 90-100" that winter with YYZ only at 76". Consequently YYZ fell short by 5" from breaking the all-time record (1938-39). Similar story with 08-09. YYZ recorded 60" but most stations were 70+". I'd like to see more data of March 1843. That month was colder than like >90% of Jans and virtually every Feb and Dec from what I gather, which seems almost impossible, but apparently it really was THAT cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiño Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Good morning. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 -6 here this morning, but have already bumped back up to 1 above as WAA has commenced. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwx Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 hour ago, cyclone77 said: -6 here this morning, but have already bumped back up to 1 above as WAA has commenced. Down to -10 here. Likewise already up to 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrdIowPitMsp Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 -1F here already up to 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchaumburgStormer Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 At least I have some snow on the ground for this stretch of cold… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 On 2/12/2025 at 4:10 PM, Snowstorms said: I wish there was more detailed records of some of these historic winters in the 1800s. Nothing has ever come close to how snowy some of them were. And I'm not sure why? Not sure if theres stations in Michigan, Ohio, or Illinois that go back that far? Even from a temperature standpoint and not just in winter, but yearly. Not sure if its a result of UHI, but a lot of the summers in the 1800s in Toronto were cold by today's standards only averaging around 68 (+/- 1.5). However, some of the numbers at YYZ are questionable for some winters especially 07-08. Every station in Toronto recorded 90-100" that winter with YYZ only at 76". Consequently YYZ fell short by 5" from breaking the all-time record (1938-39). Similar story with 08-09. YYZ recorded 60" but most stations were 70+". There is some sparse data and journals and stuff that you can piece together what type of winter it was, but certainly not enough to get accurate or even semi-accurate precip/snow/temp data. I have studied it when I have spare time (often in the weather "off season" of summer lol) and have a document that I jot notes down, plus theres David Ludlum books that details things. But im nowhere NEAR done studying them. Honestly, it appears that the overall jist of winter over here (Detroit) was very similar to it is now, although a likely colder climate overall. Some winters were harsh and others were not. The 1830s to mid 1850s seemed to be dominated by mild, dry, "open" winters, though with exceptions of course (a HUGE exception being 1842-43). Then the mid 1850s to 1860s seemed to have a lot of harsh winters, tho again, with some exceptions. Notes of "easy" winters: 1846-47 (wheat crops destroyed due to open winter) 1847-48 (small quantity of snow fell, open winter; wheat damaged) 1849-50 (quite mild and snowless; only 1 day of sleighing as of Jan 28) 1852-53 (open winter, very dry) 1858-59 (crops likely damaged due to open winter) 1859-60 (wheat damaged somewhat due to open winter) 1860-61 (no ice on any river on any account, open winter) Notes of "severe" winters 1842-43 (most severe winter ever known; snowcover nov 17-apr 8) 1854-55 (open winter until deep snow late Jan, then it got the deepest since 1842-43) 1856-57 (houses suffered the rigors of the severe winter) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian D Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 18 hours ago, michsnowfreak said: There is some sparse data and journals and stuff that you can piece together what type of winter it was, but certainly not enough to get accurate or even semi-accurate precip/snow/temp data. I have studied it when I have spare time (often in the weather "off season" of summer lol) and have a document that I jot notes down, plus theres David Ludlum books that details things. But im nowhere NEAR done studying them. Honestly, it appears that the overall jist of winter over here (Detroit) was very similar to it is now, although a likely colder climate overall. Some winters were harsh and others were not. The 1830s to mid 1850s seemed to be dominated by mild, dry, "open" winters, though with exceptions of course (a HUGE exception being 1842-43). Then the mid 1850s to 1860s seemed to have a lot of harsh winters, tho again, with some exceptions. Notes of "easy" winters: 1846-47 (wheat crops destroyed due to open winter) 1847-48 (small quantity of snow fell, open winter; wheat damaged) 1849-50 (quite mild and snowless; only 1 day of sleighing as of Jan 28) 1852-53 (open winter, very dry) 1858-59 (crops likely damaged due to open winter) 1859-60 (wheat damaged somewhat due to open winter) 1860-61 (no ice on any river on any account, open winter) Notes of "severe" winters 1842-43 (most severe winter ever known; snowcover nov 17-apr 8) 1854-55 (open winter until deep snow late Jan, then it got the deepest since 1842-43) 1856-57 (houses suffered the rigors of the severe winter) I thought I would contribute with the data I have. Take it for what it's worth, but 1850 forward is a pretty solid avg, with pre 1850 in need of more datasets to make it better. Because your on the eastern edge of the zones I have, I've also included the NE data so you can get a better feel. Just as side note, the 1830's were more avg to above for winter in both sections. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 10 minutes ago, Brian D said: I thought I would contribute with the data I have. Take it for what it's worth, but 1850 forward is a pretty solid avg, with pre 1850 in need of more datasets to make it better. Because your on the eastern edge of the zones I have, I've also included the NE data so you can get a better feel. Just as side note, the 1830's were more avg to above for winter in both sections. Awesome! Thank you! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoboy645 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 One thing to note for our Toronto people on here. That's potentially 30 inches of snow on the ground. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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