MJO812 Posted Friday at 10:30 PM Share Posted Friday at 10:30 PM Nice front end snow on the gfs so far on the run. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted Friday at 10:31 PM Share Posted Friday at 10:31 PM Just now, anthonymm said: Well surely it can. If the climate cant change so suddenly look at this chart and explain what happened after the year 2021 : https://www.weather.gov/media/okx/Climate/CentralPark/monthlyseasonalsnowfall.pdf that's not climate change after 2021 lol, otherwise you have to blame everything on climate change. How did the gulf coast get snow this winter (as an example). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted Friday at 10:32 PM Share Posted Friday at 10:32 PM 1 minute ago, MJO812 said: Nice front end snow on the gfs so far on the run. a back and forth pattern can do this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted Friday at 10:32 PM Share Posted Friday at 10:32 PM Just now, LibertyBell said: a back and forth pattern can do this I don't mind this at all. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted Friday at 10:32 PM Share Posted Friday at 10:32 PM Just now, MJO812 said: I don't mind this at all. much better than boring suppression that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted Friday at 10:35 PM Share Posted Friday at 10:35 PM 2 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: much better than boring suppression that's for sure. Bingo 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted Friday at 10:36 PM Share Posted Friday at 10:36 PM 16 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said: Allan is using 1988-89. He's referring to February 1989. The two storms were: February 17-19, 1989: Raleigh: 6.2"; Norfolk: 15.4"; New York City: None February 23-24, 1989: Raleigh: 4.9"; Norfolk: 9.0"; New York City: None that first one was such a busted forecast, we were supposed to get 6-8 inches. Atlantic City got 19 inches we just got overcast skies. in la ninas with a southeast ridge you don't expect a virga storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthonymm Posted Friday at 10:36 PM Share Posted Friday at 10:36 PM 5 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: Yes, it's actually extremely rare to get shut out in February. You could have 2 inches of snow at night and 50s during the day pretty easily. Get that twice in the month and you have your 4 inches. NYC hasnt had a 2" event this entire winter despite the cold! Face the reality man this is an anti-snowfall climate era 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted Friday at 10:38 PM Share Posted Friday at 10:38 PM Just now, anthonymm said: NYC hasnt had a 2" event this entire winter despite the cold! Face the reality man this is an anti-snowfall climate era actually we did, one in December and one in January. Central Park measurements are inaccurate, so go by the airports. Both LGA and JFK have had 2 such storms. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted Friday at 10:38 PM Share Posted Friday at 10:38 PM 2 minutes ago, anthonymm said: NYC hasnt had a 2" event this entire winter despite the cold! Face the reality man this is an anti-snowfall climate era Smfh which sock are you ? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthonymm Posted Friday at 10:41 PM Share Posted Friday at 10:41 PM 8 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: that's not climate change after 2021 lol, otherwise you have to blame everything on climate change. How did the gulf coast get snow this winter (as an example). I'm not talking about climate change in the colloquial sense. I mean the climate here literally changed in the sense that it is now MUCH harder to get snow to fall on the I95. This isnt up for debate the numbers dont lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthonymm Posted Friday at 10:43 PM Share Posted Friday at 10:43 PM 3 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: actually we did, one in December and one in January. Central Park measurements are inaccurate, so go by the airports. Both LGA and JFK have had 2 such storms. No, central park measurements are the most accurate ones. The other ones have amateur spotters that do it. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted Friday at 10:45 PM Share Posted Friday at 10:45 PM 5 minutes ago, MJO812 said: Smfh which sock are you ? we are now in The Twilight Zone airport measurements are by amateurs and climate change in the colloquial sense -- SAY WHAT?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthonymm Posted Friday at 10:47 PM Share Posted Friday at 10:47 PM 2 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: we are now in The Twilight Zone airport measurements are by amateurs and climate change in the colloquial sense -- SAY WHAT?? When I said the climate has changed, I'm not referring to global warming lmao. I literally mean that the background climate has changed to become much more hostile to snow (at least in our area). This isnt hard to understand but you're being bad faith. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveWinter Posted Friday at 11:07 PM Share Posted Friday at 11:07 PM 23 minutes ago, anthonymm said: No, central park measurements are the most accurate ones. The other ones have amateur spotters that do it. You obviously haven’t been paying attention and haven’t been on this board for long. Central Park snowfall measurements are NOTORIOUSLY undercounted. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve392 Posted Friday at 11:11 PM Share Posted Friday at 11:11 PM 3 minutes ago, ILoveWinter said: You obviously haven’t been paying attention and haven’t been on this board for long. Central Park snowfall measurements are NOTORIOUSLY undercounted. As are rainfall totals and temperatures too, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANDA Posted Friday at 11:14 PM Share Posted Friday at 11:14 PM This thread over the last 6-8 hours: 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted Friday at 11:15 PM Share Posted Friday at 11:15 PM 3 minutes ago, steve392 said: As are rainfall totals and temperatures too, no? and winds too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted Friday at 11:19 PM Share Posted Friday at 11:19 PM 48 minutes ago, MJO812 said: Nice front end snow on the gfs so far on the run. How many snow events has the gfs teased since last week? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveWinter Posted Friday at 11:30 PM Share Posted Friday at 11:30 PM 18 minutes ago, steve392 said: As are rainfall totals and temperatures too, no? Temperatures yes, especially with the vegetation in the warmer months. Precipitation/rain gauge I think works accurately. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted Friday at 11:32 PM Share Posted Friday at 11:32 PM 12 minutes ago, Allsnow said: How many snow events has the gfs teased since last week? Better pattern shaping up as we head into Mid February . 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjay Posted Saturday at 01:01 AM Share Posted Saturday at 01:01 AM 2 hours ago, anthonymm said: I'm not talking about climate change in the colloquial sense. I mean the climate here literally changed in the sense that it is now MUCH harder to get snow to fall on the I95. This isnt up for debate the numbers dont lie. Bad patterns mixed with bad luck. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted Saturday at 01:30 AM Share Posted Saturday at 01:30 AM Why am I getting a weenie for posting the MJO? Some weird people on here. Go ahead cancel winter but don't come back when the pattern gets better. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted Saturday at 01:30 AM Share Posted Saturday at 01:30 AM 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted Saturday at 01:30 AM Share Posted Saturday at 01:30 AM Long range but the PV is still on our side so we just need the ridge to not flex alot. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted Saturday at 01:31 AM Share Posted Saturday at 01:31 AM 29 minutes ago, Rjay said: Bad patterns mixed with bad luck. Or just climate change 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthonymm Posted Saturday at 01:54 AM Share Posted Saturday at 01:54 AM 52 minutes ago, Rjay said: Bad patterns mixed with bad luck. We just had a freezing January. Think it's either bad luck or some cyclical phenomenon that makes up for the ton of snow in the 2010s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Star Posted Saturday at 01:58 AM Share Posted Saturday at 01:58 AM 16 minutes ago, SnoSki14 said: Or just climate change Cold air is at least not far away. I don't want to post my NYC metro snow triangle again. I've lived through the 70's and 80's with some pretty darn cold winters, but just poor patterns for snow. They key ingredient is cold air. The next is of course everything lining up just right. We live in a zone where we typically straddle the 540 thickness line. One slight tick one way or the other means less snow. Then sometimes, we are in the model's bullseye, and then we get a subsidence zone right over us. I am normally one cancelling winter by late January if the pattern has been miserable and continues to look so on the long range models. This year is different. We have hope. The models aren't sniffing out cold or warm very well, but as long as Canada, especially eastern Canada has cold air, one can be optimistic. Yes, year by year we are warming. Around here especially, as we have learned on this site from the Labrador/Gulf Stream circulation slowing down. We have men on base, we just need the timely hit... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dark Star Posted Saturday at 02:01 AM Share Posted Saturday at 02:01 AM 4 minutes ago, anthonymm said: We just had a freezing January. Think it's either bad luck or some cyclical phenomenon that makes up for the ton of snow in the 2010s I think Don said -2.1 degrees for January? That's based on the previous 30 year average, which is a warmer average than taking the last 100 years or so. If we took the last 100 year average, this January was right around normal, maybe a smidgen above normal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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