February 2025

[EastonSN+]

7 minutes ago, psv88 said:

No there shouldn’t be. People just need to not get triggered so easily by the words “not very cold”. Too many snowflakes 

I think the snowflake is clearly you. You just got triggered by somebody who may have gotten triggered by someone who said it's not too cold so therefore you're part of the issue. 

Listen if you have an issue with me message me directly and we can settle it one to one instead of clogging up this forum with insults. 

[LibertyBell]

14 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said:

I just responded to rjay, for these monthly forums we have a 30-year average established and we can have the true statistics for each month. We can create other channels where we can compare to past averages or past decades. Could be the memories forum or a new one. 

What is the value in saying it's below average statistically but heck I was colder in 2004. To me that's a memory.

I think we have to designate cold and hot by something more than raw averages.  I suggest using a combo of statistics including dividing the 30 year period into thirds and designating top third, middle third and bottom third.  I also suggested using number of cold days (days with highs of 32 or below) just like we use hot days (days with highs of 90 or above) to rank our hottest summers.

There's a huge difference between this winter and the winters I mentioned previously from this same 30 year period, so you can't just all group them together as *cold*.  

Just for clarity, here are the winters I'm talking about:

2000-01

2002-03

2003-04

2004-05

 

2008-09

2009-10

2010-11

 

2013-14

2014-15

 

I'd add 2017-18 to this list too because of its big cold wave in January although I understand it might not rank as cold because of February (though March-early April more than made up for that.)

 

 

[Sampson]

58 minutes ago, NorthShoreWx said:

Only 39% of the winters in Don's stats were warmer than this one (61% were colder than this "cold" winter).

There seems to be an argument in some posts about where to place the threshold for whining about cold weather.  Whining is unhealthy.

No, I think it’s just perspective. This was the coldest in the last 10 years and basically average historically, which is cold in comparison to current temperature averages. No need to get all bent out of shape about it. 

[EastonSN+]

14 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

I think we have to designate cold and hot by something more than raw averages.  I suggest using a combo of statistics including dividing the 30 year period into thirds and designating top third, middle third and bottom third.  I also suggested using number of cold days (days with highs of 32 or below) just like we use hot days (days with highs of 90 or above) to rank our hottest summers.

There's a huge difference between this winter and the winters I mentioned previously from this same 30 year period, so you can't just all group them together as *cold*.  

Just for clarity, here are the winters I'm talking about:

2000-01

2002-03

2003-04

2004-05

 

2008-09

2009-10

2010-11

 

2013-14

2014-15

 

I'd add 2017-18 to this list too because of its big cold wave in January although I understand it might not rank as cold because of February (though March-early April more than made up for that.)

 

 

The problem is cold is is subjective. No matter how we carve it up everybody is going to view it differently, so we kind of need that one common denominator which the common public uses 30-year averages. This winter will end up being colder than average. 

I am all for a historic forum where we could keep track of top coldest warmest snowiest rainiest of all time. 

[NorthShoreWx]

37 minutes ago, MorristownWx said:

We’re just saying that there should be a different thread to discuss this. 

I still haven't seen a reasonable justification for this position.

[NorthShoreWx]

18 minutes ago, Sampson said:

No, I think it’s just perspective. This was the coldest in the last 10 years and basically average historically, which is cold in comparison to current temperature averages. No need to get all bent out of shape about it. 

Really?

[EastonSN+]

12 minutes ago, NorthShoreWx said:

I still haven't seen a reasonable justification for this position.

I still haven't seen reasonable justification against this position

[NorthShoreWx]

Just now, EastonSN+ said:

I still haven't seen reasonable justification against this position

See Bluewave's post.

[LibertyBell]

Just now, EastonSN+ said:

I still haven't seen reasonable justification against this position

I think the reason to keep it all in one place is because it's a discussion about weather (Forky stated this earlier too.)

 

[EastonSN+]

Just now, NorthShoreWx said:

See Bluewave's post.

I responded to it already

[EastonSN+]

Just now, LibertyBell said:

I think the reason to keep it all in one place is because it's a discussion about weather (Forky stated this earlier too.)

 

Then why do we split out separate weather events? They are weather too.

[psv88]

26 minutes ago, Sampson said:

No, I think it’s just perspective. This was the coldest in the last 10 years and basically average historically, which is cold in comparison to current temperature averages. No need to get all bent out of shape about it. 

Well put

[LibertyBell]

Just now, EastonSN+ said:

Then why do we split out separate weather events? They are weather too.

That's super inconvenient to have separate threads for 3+ events.  I suggested that earlier we should just have one modeling thread and one observation thread.  Keep it simple.

 

[Rjay]

It's only 46 degrees and it feels like spring somehow lol.  Add that to the list of ways I know we've actually had winter this year.  

[Birds~69]

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

They might be too humid or very warm and humid but if they don't have a set number of 90 degree days (24 in the case of NYC) it can't be considered a hot summer.

I'll take 90F dry over 85F and humid any day of the week. The whole 90F thing is stupid....

[Stormlover74]

6 minutes ago, Rjay said:

It's only 46 degrees and it feels like spring somehow lol.  Add that to the list of ways I know we've actually had winter this year.  

No coat. Feels great

[LibertyBell]

5 minutes ago, Birds~69 said:

I'll take 90F dry over 85F and humid any day of the week. The whole 90F thing is stupid....

No it's the definition of a hot day (hot day = 90 degree high).  I'll take 90 degrees and dry and even 100 degrees and dry too, but it's about actual heat, not what feels more uncomfortable to us.  Humid will always feel more uncomfortable.

 

[LibertyBell]

9 minutes ago, Rjay said:

It's only 46 degrees and it feels like spring somehow lol.  Add that to the list of ways I know we've actually had winter this year.  

don't forget no wind either :-)

doing spring cleaning today!

 

[NorthShoreWx]

9 minutes ago, Rjay said:

It's only 46 degrees and it feels like spring somehow lol.  Add that to the list of ways I know we've actually had winter this year.  

It'll really feel like LI spring when the seabreeze kicks in.

 

[bluewave]

52 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said:

The problem is cold is is subjective. No matter how we carve it up everybody is going to view it differently, so we kind of need that one common denominator which the common public uses 30-year averages. This winter will end up being colder than average. 

I am all for a historic forum where we could keep track of top coldest warmest snowiest rainiest of all time. 

I think the issue is that you keep putting up so much resistance to discussing the objective measures of ranking and describing the temperatures this winter. You would think on a weather forum that there would be more interest than just the subjective description of the weather and climate. In a pure subjective sense even our warmest winters felt cold since we frequently needed a winter coat. Same goes for some of coolest summers which many people still wore a bathing suit and went swimming. But we go beyond those generalities and are more precise on a weather forum. So it’s fine to point out that the only reason this winter will finish below average was due to the goal posts being shifted every 10 years making the bar for a cold winter lower than it used to be. 

[LibertyBell]

Just now, NorthShoreWx said:

It'll really feel like LI spring when the seabreeze kicks in.

 

I hope the westerlies last all spring and summer!!

 

[Nibor]

That higher direct sun is nice and warm

[Birds~69]

19 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

No it's the definition of a hot day (hot day = 90 degree high).  I'll take 90 degrees and dry and even 100 degrees and dry too, but it's about actual heat, not what feels more uncomfortable to us.  Humid will always feel more uncomfortable.

 

I understand all of that, I just think it's stupid how the gauge is set. 10 days in a row at a dry 90F is a 10-day heatwave. 10 days at a humid 89F is not a heat wave at all. Yeah, that makes sense...

[LibertyBell]

4 minutes ago, Birds~69 said:

I understand all of that, I just think it's stupid how the gauge is set. 10 days in a row at a dry 90F is a 10-day heatwave. 10 days at a humid 89F is not a heat wave at all. Yeah, that makes sense...

I don't think the 10 days at 89 thing would ever happen, hell we don't even get 10 days of 90+ degrees anymore =\

The last time we even had a 7 day heatwave was back in 2002.  Our heatwaves have become shorter.

 

https://www.weather.gov/okx/heatwaves

 

These were some astounding heatwaves of the past

August 1896 (10 days) over 1500 died in NYC

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1896_Eastern_North_America_heat_wave

https://www.npr.org/2010/08/11/129127924/the-heat-wave-of-1896-and-the-rise-of-roosevelt?ft=1&f=1022

 

August 1953 - September 1953 (12 days with multiple days of 100+)

 

https://www.life.com/history/heat-wave-photos-1950s/

 

 

[NorthShoreWx]

1 minute ago, Birds~69 said:

I understand all of that, I just think it's stupid how the gauge is set. 10 days in a row at a dry 90F is it 10-day heatwave. 10 days at a humid 89F is not a heat wave at all. Yeah, that makes sense...

This progression of daily maxima would not be considered a heat wave using 90⁰x3

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[LibertyBell]

5 minutes ago, Nibor said:

That higher direct sun is nice and warm

plus no wind and blue skies

[LibertyBell]

Just now, NorthShoreWx said:

This progression of daily maxima would not be considered a heat wave using 90⁰x3

97-98-89-99-89-96-101-89-97-91-88

lol I love this, when did this happen Ed?

 

[Birds~69]

6 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

plus no wind and blue skies

Lack of wind and sun angle definitely make a difference. At a small park now, 12 to 15 cars which isn't bad for February...

[SnoSki14]

This winter mostly sucked. Cold/dry with well BN snowfall and busted potential storms thanks to putrid pacific.  

C-

Bring on spring. This week will feel awesome but the prolonged dry weather will be an issue. 

[Brian5671]

Today feels tropical.  Snowpack shrinking-south facing spot bare-north facing spots still 3-4 inches