February 2025

[bluewave]

16 minutes ago, NorthShoreWx said:

It's a head in the sand approach.

I will give them the benefit of the doubt and just chalk it up to how quickly we normalize things like a warming climate and tend not to pay attention to the context that statistics provides.

https://www.ucdavis.edu/climate/news/tweets-tell-scientists-how-quickly-we-normalize-unusual-weather

study, published Feb. 25 in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, indicates that people have short memories when it comes to what they consider “normal” weather. On average, people base their idea of normal weather on what has happened in just the past two to eight years. This disconnect with the historical climate record may obscure the public’s perception of climate change.

“There’s a risk that we’ll quickly normalize conditions we don’t want to normalize,” said lead author Frances C. Moore, an assistant professor in the UC Davis Department of Environmental Science and Policy. “We are experiencing conditions that are historically extreme, but they might not feel particularly unusual if we tend to forget what happened more than about five years ago.

 

 

[EastonSN+]

21 minutes ago, NorthShoreWx said:

Only 39% of the winters in Don's stats were warmer than this one (61% were colder than this "cold" winter).

There seems to be an argument in some posts about where to place the threshold for whining about cold weather.  Whining is unhealthy.

It's cut and dry really, we have a 30-year average and it's either above or below that average. Done.

[EastonSN+]

34 minutes ago, forkyfork said:

we lived through months like january 2004. this was an average winter with below normal snow

Still a blow average temperature winter given our 30 or average.

[psv88]

Just now, EastonSN+ said:

It's cut and dry really, we have a 30-year average and it's either above or below that average. Done.

Some on here are older than 30, so they remember when winters were colder. Sorry if this is hard to grasp 

[forkyfork]

[LibertyBell]

24 minutes ago, NorthShoreWx said:

Only 39% of the winters in Don's stats were warmer than this one (61% were colder than this "cold" winter).

There seems to be an argument in some posts about where to place the threshold for whining about cold weather.  Whining is unhealthy.

that puts it in the middle third of winters which is exactly where I would put it too.  I used Don's since 2000-01 stat.  9th coldest out of 24 winters put it squarely in the middle third.

 

[EastonSN+]

Just now, psv88 said:

Some on here are older than 30, so they remember when winters were colder. Sorry if this is hard to grasp 

Why would you state sorry if this is hard to grasp. That's an insult and you know it. If you're older than 30 act like it.

[LibertyBell]

1 minute ago, forkyfork said:

100 degrees isn't a necessity if the heat wave is at least 7 days long, in that case longevity trumps extremes.

 

[LibertyBell]

3 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said:

Why would you state sorry if this is hard to grasp. That's an insult and you know it. If you're older than 30 act like it.

I don't see a reason to argue, the statement is some people have seen winters that were much colder and consistently so.  And it wasn't that long ago either.  The entire 2002-03 to 2004-05 period was much colder than this. As were 2008-09, 2009-10, 2010-11, 2013-14, 2014-15.  This winter is only cold compared to this decade not compared to previous decades.

 

[EastonSN+]

20 minutes ago, Rjay said:

The argument seems to be "let's just forget about the past".

I always thought putting past averages in the memories section. Or perhaps a new forum relegated to comparing this time to times in our past. This way these monthly forums are focused on the current day and we have a channel to discuss how we are compared to decades of the past. 

[Brasiluvsnow]

5 minutes ago, forkyfork said:

Now do one with "sun angle " or. " humidity "

[LibertyBell]

3 hours ago, EastonSN+ said:

Yeah I'm extremely confused by posters saying that it's not really cold. The departures from average are very clear.

I wonder if we're plus two in the summer if the same posters are going to say it's not really warm.

I would if we have a small number of 90 degree days.  Based on those sites I quote from, you need 24 90 degree days to consider NYC to have had a hot summer.

 

[EastonSN+]

2 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

I don't see a reason to argue, the statement is some people have seen winters that were much colder and consistently so.  And it wasn't that long ago either.  The entire 2002-03 to 2004-05 period was much colder than this. As were 2008-09, 2009-10, 2010-11, 2013-14, 2014-15.  This winter is only cold compared to this decade not compared to previous decades.

 

I just responded to rjay, for these monthly forums we have a 30-year average established and we can have the true statistics for each month. We can create other channels where we can compare to past averages or past decades. Could be the memories forum or a new one. 

What is the value in saying it's below average statistically but heck I was colder in 2004. To me that's a memory.

[MorristownWx]

2 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said:

I always thought putting past averages in the memories section. Or perhaps a new forum relegated to comparing this time to times in our past. This way these monthly forums are focused on the current day and we have a channel to discuss how we are compared to decades of the past. 

One hundred percent. I suggested this yesterday. It’s a weather forum so I get it’s ok to talk about averages and historical changes. But the non stop bickering over whether this was cold this winter is unbearable. 

[LibertyBell]

2 hours ago, MJO812 said:

Too warm outside 

Alonzo isn't the polar bear, YOU are.

[EastonSN+]

26 minutes ago, NorthShoreWx said:

It's a head in the sand approach.

It's a let's separate memories and past comparisons from current statistics and time periods.

[LibertyBell]

1 hour ago, Birds~69 said:

Average Summers are too warm/hot. A +2 would be scorching...

They might be too humid or very warm and humid but if they don't have a set number of 90 degree days (24 in the case of NYC) it can't be considered a hot summer.

[psv88]

Just now, MorristownWx said:

One hundred percent. I suggested this yesterday. It’s a weather forum so I get it’s ok to talk about averages and historical changes. But the no stop bickering over whether this was cold this winter is unbearable. 

Nobody on here is denying that for the new 30 year averages it was below normal.

 

some people get triggered at the suggestion that notwithstanding the 30 year averages, it was not a very cold winter irrespective of the 30 year baseline, which it was not. 

[MorristownWx]

EastonSN+ wins the day for rationale thinking. 

[LibertyBell]

1 hour ago, psv88 said:

So for people who are older this was an average winter, for younger people it was a cold winter. 

Lebron or MJ?

I mean, we all know it's MJ all day long..... MJ never choked in the finals.

 

[forkyfork]

omg, weather discussion in a weather forum 

[MorristownWx]

Just now, psv88 said:

Nobody on here is denying that for the new 30 year averages it was below normal.

 

some people get triggered at the suggestion that notwithstanding the 30 year averages, it was not a very cold winter irrespective of the 30 year baseline, which it was not. 

Point clearly went over your head. We’re just saying that there should be a different thread to discuss this. I didn’t say anything either way on my feelings about the temps this winter lol. 

[LibertyBell]

47 minutes ago, forkyfork said:

we lived through months like january 2004. this was an average winter with below normal snow

and February 2015 which truly amazes me for having a single digit low on the last day of the month (almost the first day of March!)  2 fucking degrees was the record from February 2015 just a few days ago!

How many single digit lows in February 2015 alone?

AND WITH A LOT OF SNOW (MARCH HAD A LOT OF SNOW TOO).

[psv88]

Just now, MorristownWx said:

Point clearly went over your head. We’re just saying that there should be a different thread to discuss this. I didn’t say anything either way on my feelings about the temps this winter lol. 

No there shouldn’t be. People just need to not get triggered so easily by the words “not very cold”. Too many snowflakes 

[psv88]

3 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Lebron or MJ?

I mean, we all know it's MJ all day long..... MJ never choked in the finals.

 

It’s close. Lebrons longevity has been very impressive, he’s still performing at a very high level at 40 years old 

[LibertyBell]

3 hours ago, donsutherland1 said:

There was at least some heavy snow in the New York City area, but the biggest snows were in New England. Heavy snow reached New York City and Boston by the early morning of February 22. The blizzard intensified in southern New England, dropping 18 inches on Hamden, Connecticut.

Sounds like one of those storms that backed in from the East.

[LibertyBell]

Just now, psv88 said:

It’s close. Lebrons longevity has been very impressive, he’s still performing at a very high level at 40 years old 

True, it's gotten closer, peak MJ was better though.

 

[EastonSN+]

14 minutes ago, bluewave said:

I will give them the benefit of the doubt and just chalk it up to how quickly we normalize things like a warming climate and tend not to pay attention to the context that statistics provides.

https://www.ucdavis.edu/climate/news/tweets-tell-scientists-how-quickly-we-normalize-unusual-weather

study, published Feb. 25 in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, indicates that people have short memories when it comes to what they consider “normal” weather. On average, people base their idea of normal weather on what has happened in just the past two to eight years. This disconnect with the historical climate record may obscure the public’s perception of climate change.

“There’s a risk that we’ll quickly normalize conditions we don’t want to normalize,” said lead author Frances C. Moore, an assistant professor in the UC Davis Department of Environmental Science and Policy. “We are experiencing conditions that are historically extreme, but they might not feel particularly unusual if we tend to forget what happened more than about five years ago.

 

 

How are we not to normalize it when we have to move on with life. What we live in is by definition normal for now. 

I drive a Tesla to help with the environment. I do what I can as an individual however I am also conscious of the fact that nothing is stopping this warming train at this moment in time and there's nothing I could do about it but accept the fact that temperatures have we have now are The New normal and continue with life.

[LibertyBell]

3 minutes ago, psv88 said:

No there shouldn’t be. People just need to not get triggered so easily by the words “not very cold”. Too many snowflakes 

Yeah I don't see a reason for anyone's feelings to get hurt about average cold or middle third cold.  It doesn't mean it wasn't a cold winter, just not extremely so.  Big difference between very cold and somewhat cold.

 

[LibertyBell]

1 minute ago, EastonSN+ said:

How are we not to normalize it when we have to move on with life. What we live in is by definition normal for now. 

I drive a Tesla to help with the environment. I do what I can as an individual however I am also conscious of the fact that nothing is stopping this warming train at this moment in time and there's nothing I could do about it but accept the fact that temperatures have we have now are The New normal and continue with life.

But this has nothing to do with climate change.  We've had much colder winters in the 00s and the 10s.  I don't think the climate has changed that much in the past 10 years.  Sure it's changed since the 70s and 80s and maybe it's much harder to get below zero now than it used to be, but we can still have much colder winters than this even without going below zero.