EastonSN+ Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago 2 minutes ago, psv88 said: What? An average cannot be calculated without looking at the past. This post makes no sense at all. My point was why compare a negative or positive departure calculated from a current 30 year average against a past 30-year average. Ie if it's a negative one departure for this month using the current 30 years baseline, why should we compare that to a PAST 30 year average from say 1970 to 1999? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago 3 hours ago, EastonSN+ said: So then why not use a 50-year average as a baseline or 100 year average? I just don't get the point of continuously caveating that it was something different in the past as that is the past it does not affect the present. It's either warmer or colder compared to a certain baseline. If someone has to put in extra work to continue to say "but in the past this would have happened" then it's not efficient. If a 30-year baseline is not correct because someone has to keep caveating over and over again then something needs to change. Either change the baseline to be shorter like 10 years to be more relevant to the current time or expand the baseline so that someone doesn't have to continually say over and over again that it was different in the past. I just don't see the added value of caveating that it was different in the past than a current departure from average. I was suggesting a non-meteorological reason why some (potentially including myself) might do that. I wasn't necessarily disagreeing with the rest. I think there are pros and cons to the choices of time periods to define as a baseline. As for the caveating of multiple posts with ~'the past was different' being inefficient, it's better than ending every sentence with "lol", lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago 1 hour ago, bluewave said: This was a great example of gradient patterns favoring areas to our north. There was sooner or later going to be a stretch that nailed New England, Montreal, etc. Once the SWFE train starts in a Nina winter they get hammered. I can't think of the last time a pattern like this was good at our latitude, maybe 93-94 which is a once per century type winter and also would be warmer today. We need some kind of help from the southern stream for much of our snow, northern stream dominated patterns vary between bad and horrendous for snow south of I-84 and the fast Pacific jet makes it even worse. Plenty of dry windy cold though. February was/has been decent but could've been so much better. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted 22 hours ago Share Posted 22 hours ago 3 hours ago, vegan_edible said: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/seasonal-affective-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20364651 From the link that you posted: "Don't brush off that yearly feeling as simply a case of the "winter blues" or a seasonal funk that you have to tough out on your own. Take steps to keep your mood and motivation steady throughout the year." Getting out and allowing yourself to enjoy a cold morning sounds like a big step to combating SAD. https://www.rvia.org/news-insights/physical-and-mental-benefits-outdoor-recreation https://extension.usu.edu/healthwellness/physical/does-physical-activity-improve-symptoms-of-seasonal-affective-disorder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted 22 hours ago Share Posted 22 hours ago The coldest weather of this month is now moving into the past. It will turn milder late in the weekend. This milder weather will then continue next week. The middle of next week could become quite mild with the mercury reaching 50° or above in New York City. Washington, DC could see highs reach 60° or above. There remain indications that a major pattern re-alignment could take place starting in the first week of March bringing an end to a persistently cold regime that has predominated through most of the winter. The pattern change will likely follow a brief but fairly sharp cold shot. A powerful PNA ridge is currently in place. Historical experience suggests that the presence of such a ridge at this time of year has been followed by the absence of major snowfalls in the New York City area. The PNA reached +1.500 on February 19th and currently stands at +1.776. In all 12 years that saw the PNA reach +1.500 or above on February 15 or later since 1950, the remainder of winter saw no 10" or greater snowstorms. If historic experience holds true yet again, that would make the Winter 2024-2025 the fourth consecutive winter without a 10" or above snowstorm in New York City. The last time that happened was during Winter 2016-2017 through Winter 2019-2020. Most of the 12 winters cited above went on to see some additional measurable snowfall with a few seeing a 6"+ storm. The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was +0.9°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was -0.3°C for the week centered around February 12. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged +0.03°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged -0.65°C. La Niña conditions have peaked and are beginning to fade. La Niña conditions will likely persist into the start of spring. The SOI was -5.24 today. The preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) was +0.800 today. Based on sensitivity analysis applied to the latest guidance, there is an implied 95% probability that New York City will have a colder than normal February (1991-2020 normal). February will likely finish with a mean temperature near 33.7° (2.2° below normal). 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Star Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago 2 hours ago, NorthShoreWx said: I was suggesting a non-meteorological reason why some (potentially including myself) might do that. I wasn't necessarily disagreeing with the rest. I think there are pros and cons to the choices of time periods to define as a baseline. As for the caveating of multiple posts with ~'the past was different' being inefficient, it's better than ending every sentence with "lol", lol. although there is statistical reasoning, I find the 30 year temperature averages arbitrary. They don't base record highs or lows from it, nor do they base average seasonal snowfall on it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eduggs Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago On the subject of temperature records... is anybody concerned about how temperature departures are calculated? Is averaging the daily high and low temperature even all that representative or comparable? Should it matter if a low temperature was achieved after a brief but precipitous drop vs. a constant temperature for 16 straight hours? All this fussing about reference periods and minor anomalies... when the method of calculation is hardly precise or rigorously scientific. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volcanic Winter Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago Not caught up in our thread yet so forgive me if this has been posted recently, but I saw this and found it interesting (in a painful sort of way ): The Delmarva and VA/NC coasts on south really did unbelievably well, not so much inland or north of VA. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago 2 hours ago, jm1220 said: There was sooner or later going to be a stretch that nailed New England, Montreal, etc. Once the SWFE train starts in a Nina winter they get hammered. I can't think of the last time a pattern like this was good at our latitude, maybe 93-94 which is a once per century type winter and also would be warmer today. We need some kind of help from the southern stream for much of our snow, northern stream dominated patterns vary between bad and horrendous for snow south of I-84 and the fast Pacific jet makes it even worse. Plenty of dry windy cold though. February was/has been decent but could've been so much better. This may be one of the few times a gradient pattern has combined with a suppression pattern to produce that snow hole from PA into our area. In the old days we would usually get one or the other. Now we are getting cutter, hugger, and suppressed Southern Stream storm tracks all within a few days of each other. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted 19 hours ago Share Posted 19 hours ago 41 minutes ago, bluewave said: This may be one of the few times a gradient pattern has combined with a suppression pattern to produce that snow hole from PA into our area. In the old days we would usually get one or the other. Now we are getting cutter, hugger, and suppressed Southern Stream storm tracks all within a few days of each other. Just have to laugh. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 14 hours ago, SACRUS said: Records: Highs: EWR: 80 (2018) NYC: 78 (2018) LGA: 79 (2018) JFK: 65 (2018) Lows: EWR: 6 (1959) NYC: 5 (1968) LGA: 6 (1968) JFK: 5 (1968) Historical: 1918 - A spectacular chinook wind at Granville, ND, caused the temperature to spurt from a morning low of 33 degrees below zero to an afternoon high of 50 degrees above zero. (David Ludlum) 1935 - Frequent duststorms occurred in eastern Colorado during the month, forcing schools to close and people to stay indoors. A fatality occurred on this date when two section cars collided on the railroad near Arriba CO, due to poor visibility. (The Weather Channel) 1936 - The temperature at Langdon, ND, climbed above zero for the first time in six weeks. Readings never got above freezing during all three winter months. (David Ludlum) 1971 - An outbreak of tornadoes hit northeastern Louisiana and northern and central Mississippi. The tornadoes claimed 121 lives, including 110 in Mississippi. Three tornadoes accounted for 118 of the deaths. There are 1600 persons injured, 900 homes were destroyed or badly damaged, and total damage was 19 million dollars. (David Ludlum) 1971 - Elk City, OK, was buried under 36 inches of snow to establish a 24 hour snowfall record for the state. (David Ludlum) 1971: A tornado outbreak struck portions of the Lower Mississippi River Valley and the Southeastern United States on February 21–22nd. The two-day tornado outbreak produced at least 19 tornadoes, probably several more, primarily brief events in rural areas, and killed 123 people across three states. The tornadoes "virtually leveled" entire communities in the state of Mississippi. 1987 - Low pressure over central California produced gale force winds along the coast, and produced thunderstorms which pelted Stockton, Oakland and San Jose with small hail. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1988 - A storm tracking across southern Canada produced high winds in the north central U.S., with gusted to 90 mph reported at Boulder CO. The high winds snapped trees and power lines, and ripped shingles off roofs. The Kentucky Fried Chicken Bucket was blown off their store in Havre MT. An eighteen foot fiberglass bear was blown off its stand along a store front in west Cody WY, and sailed east into downtown Cody before the owners were able to transport their wandering bear back home in a horse trailer. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1989 - Thunderstorms developing during the morning hours spread severe weather across Georgia and the Carolinas. Strong thunderstorm winds caused one death and thirteen injuries in North Carolina, and another four injuries in South Carolina. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1990 - Overnight thunderstorms produced heavy rain in central Texas. Rainfall totals ranged up to 2.80 inches at Camp Verde, with 2.20 inches reported at Leakey. Thunderstorms early in the day produced high winds in southern Texas, with wind gusts to 60 mph reported at Alice. Daytime thunderstorms in eastern Texas drenched Rosenberg with four inches of rain. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 2013: An astonishing 515 cm (202.8" or almost 17') level of snow depth was measured at Sukayu Onsen, Aomori on Honshu Island in Japan, on February 21, 2013, the deepest snow measured at an official weather site in Japan records. (Last Updated in 2020). Records:Highs:EWR: 80 (2018)NYC: 78 (2018)LGA: 79 (2018)JFK: 65 (2018) we were left out of this warmth over here..... honestly, I've seen warmer days in both January and February when we've hit the 70s here (most notably January 6, 2006, on the 11 year anniversary of the January 1996 blizzard.)Lows:EWR: 6 (1959)NYC: 5 (1968)LGA: 6 (1968)JFK: 5 (1968) 1967-68 was a very cold and dry winter, similar to this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 9 hours ago, jm1220 said: Just have to laugh. I suspect our snowfall peaked in 17-18 and this is just par for the course post peak. State College had their peak in 03-04 and then began a decline. But they were still able to have some good years in the mix from time to time. But noting like the 1960s to early 2000s. Almost like an extended version of our 09-10 to 17-18. Hopefully, we can return to at least occasional benchmark storms and not have the extended lack of favorable storm tracks like State College has experienced. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 10 hours ago, eduggs said: On the subject of temperature records... is anybody concerned about how temperature departures are calculated? Is averaging the daily high and low temperature even all that representative or comparable? Should it matter if a low temperature was achieved after a brief but precipitous drop vs. a constant temperature for 16 straight hours? All this fussing about reference periods and minor anomalies... when the method of calculation is hardly precise or rigorously scientific. This is part of my argument for why summer heat should be judged by number of 90 degree and higher highs and why winter cold should be judged by number of 32 degree and lower highs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 39 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: This is part of my argument for why summer heat should be judged by number of 90 degree and higher highs and why winter cold should be judged by number of 32 degree and lower highs. By that metric JFK hasn’t had much cold this winter as the 7 highs at or below 32° weren’t that much more than the last two winters. Time Series Summary for JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, NY - Oct through SepClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending number of High temperatures at or below 32° 2024-2025 7 221 2023-2024 5 0 2022-2023 4 0 2021-2022 14 0 2020-2021 10 0 2019-2020 2 0 2018-2019 10 0 2017-2018 21 0 2016-2017 9 0 2015-2016 9 0 2014-2015 23 0 2013-2014 27 0 2012-2013 10 0 2011-2012 4 0 2010-2011 18 0 2009-2010 17 0 2008-2009 21 0 2007-2008 5 0 2006-2007 18 0 2005-2006 9 0 2004-2005 19 0 2003-2004 25 0 2002-2003 28 0 2001-2002 1 0 2000-2001 19 0 1999-2000 21 0 1998-1999 14 0 1997-1998 3 0 1996-1997 10 0 1995-1996 22 0 1994-1995 9 0 1993-1994 27 0 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 11 minutes ago, bluewave said: By that metric JFK hasn’t had much cold this winter as the 7 highs at or below 32° weren’t that much more than the last two winters. Time Series Summary for JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, NY - Oct through SepClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending number of High temperatures at or below 32° 2024-2025 7 221 2023-2024 5 0 2022-2023 4 0 2021-2022 14 0 2020-2021 10 0 2019-2020 2 0 2018-2019 10 0 2017-2018 21 0 2016-2017 9 0 2015-2016 9 0 2014-2015 23 0 2013-2014 27 0 2012-2013 10 0 2011-2012 4 0 2010-2011 18 0 2009-2010 17 0 2008-2009 21 0 2007-2008 5 0 2006-2007 18 0 2005-2006 9 0 2004-2005 19 0 2003-2004 25 0 2002-2003 28 0 2001-2002 1 0 2000-2001 19 0 1999-2000 21 0 1998-1999 14 0 1997-1998 3 0 1996-1997 10 0 1995-1996 22 0 1994-1995 9 0 1993-1994 27 0 Yes, it was the wind that made it feel so cold. We didn't even have any single digit temperatures. We weren't that cold by average temperatures either, weren't all 3 months above normal at JFK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 15 minutes ago, bluewave said: By that metric JFK hasn’t had much cold this winter as the 7 highs at or below 32° weren’t that much more than the last two winters. Time Series Summary for JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, NY - Oct through SepClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending number of High temperatures at or below 32° 2024-2025 7 221 2023-2024 5 0 2022-2023 4 0 2021-2022 14 0 2020-2021 10 0 2019-2020 2 0 2018-2019 10 0 2017-2018 21 0 2016-2017 9 0 2015-2016 9 0 2014-2015 23 0 2013-2014 27 0 2012-2013 10 0 2011-2012 4 0 2010-2011 18 0 2009-2010 17 0 2008-2009 21 0 2007-2008 5 0 2006-2007 18 0 2005-2006 9 0 2004-2005 19 0 2003-2004 25 0 2002-2003 28 0 2001-2002 1 0 2000-2001 19 0 1999-2000 21 0 1998-1999 14 0 1997-1998 3 0 1996-1997 10 0 1995-1996 22 0 1994-1995 9 0 1993-1994 27 0 What's the record in this regard for JFK, Chris? Has any winter had 30 or more such days-- maybe 1976-77? Wild, our last truly cold winter (20 or more such days) was 2017-18... and how great were 2013-14, the entire 2002-03 to 2004-05 period and 1995-96 and 1993-94. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volcanic Winter Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago Down to 13 overnight, don’t think this was forecasted (I saw like 20-22). Good radiative conditions? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxEngine Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago 33 minutes ago, Volcanic Winter said: Down to 13 overnight, don’t think this was forecasted (I saw like 20-22). Good radiative conditions? Yeah wind kinda subsided for a few hours, at least up here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago Last morning in the teens for awhile with the warming trend that starts today... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 12 minutes ago, Brian5671 said: Last morning in the teens for awhile with the warming trend that starts today... Hopefully the last morning in the teens for the rest of the season. It's actually been in the low 20s here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 26 / 12 and sunny / dry weekend. 40s next two days then 50s mid week, warmer spots may touch 60 on Tuesday. Warmer than normal 2/24 - 3/1. Sharp cold turn 3/2 - 3/9. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 1 minute ago, SACRUS said: 26 / 12 and sunny / dry weekend. 40s next two days then 50s mid week, warmer spots may touch 60 on Tuesday. Warmer than normal 2/24 - 3/1. Sharp cold turn 3/2 - 3/9. How long is that sharp cold snap in early March going to last, Tony? From the 10 day forecast I saw, it's supposed to be a two day cold snap in the low to mid 30s and then back to the 40s starting on 3/4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago Records: Highs: EWR: 70 (1997) NYC: 66 (1997) LGA: 70 (1997) JFK: 64 (1991) Lows: EWR: 8 (1963) NYC: 8 (1963) LGA: 9 (1963) JFK: 9 (1968) Historical: 1773 - The memorable "Cold Sabbath" in New England history. Many persons froze extremities while going to church. (David Ludlum) 1773: According to David Ludlum, "The memorable Cold Sabbath in New England history" took place on February 22, 1773. "Many persons froze extremities while going to church." 1936 - Although heat and dust prevailed in the spring and summer, early 1936 brought record cold to parts of the U.S. Sioux Center IA reported 42 inches of snow on the ground, a state record. (20th-22nd) (The Weather Channel) 1971: One of the worst snowstorms in Oklahoma history dumped up to 3 feet of snow on northwest Oklahoma from February 20nd to February 22. By the time the snow ended on the 22nd, the city of Buffalo had 36 inches of snow on the ground, setting the state record for storm-total snowfall. Winds of 30 to 50 mph caused snowdrifts up to 20 feet high. Follett, Texas, picked up 26 inches while Amarillo recorded 14 inches. 1986 - A twelve siege of heavy rain and snow, which produced widespread flooding and mudslides across northern and central California, finally came to an end. The storm caused more than 400 million dollars property damage. Bucks Lake, located in the Sierra Nevada Range, received 49.6 inches of rain during the twelve day period. (Storm Data) 1987 - A storm moving northeastward out of the Gulf of Mexico began to spread heavy snow across the Middle Atlantic Coast Region. Thunderstorms in northern Florida produced wind gusts to 65 mph in Alachua County. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1988 - Dry weather prevailed across the nation, with windy conditions from the Central Rockies to northern New England. Winds gusted to 58 mph at Cleveland OH, and reached 63 mph at Erie PA. Winds in the Central Rockies gusted to 120 mph at Mines Peak CO and Rendezvous Peak WY. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1989 - Strong northwesterly winds ushering cold arctic air into the north central U.S. produced snow squalls in the Great Lakes Region, with heavy snow near Lake Michigan. Totals in northwest Indiana ranged up to 24 inches at Gary, and up to 16 inches buried northeastern Illinois. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1990 - Thunderstorms developing along and ahead of a cold front produced severe weather from southern Mississippi to North Carolina. One thunderstorm spawned a tornado just prior to dawn which touched down near Opp AL injuring ten persons and causing half a million dollars damage. Thunderstorm winds injured four persons south of Troy AL, and five people at Columbus GA. Thunderstorm winds gusted to 76 mph at Dothan AL. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 3 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: How long is that sharp cold snap in early March going to last, Tony? From the 10 day forecast I saw, it's supposed to be a two day cold snap in the low to mid 30s and then back to the 40s starting on 3/4? Thinking we have 3 -5 days colder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 1 minute ago, SACRUS said: Records: Highs: EWR: 70 (1997) NYC: 66 (1997) LGA: 70 (1997) JFK: 64 (1991) Lows: EWR: 8 (1963) NYC: 8 (1963) LGA: 9 (1963) JFK: 9 (1968) Historical: 1773 - The memorable "Cold Sabbath" in New England history. Many persons froze extremities while going to church. (David Ludlum) 1773: According to David Ludlum, "The memorable Cold Sabbath in New England history" took place on February 22, 1773. "Many persons froze extremities while going to church." 1936 - Although heat and dust prevailed in the spring and summer, early 1936 brought record cold to parts of the U.S. Sioux Center IA reported 42 inches of snow on the ground, a state record. (20th-22nd) (The Weather Channel) 1971: One of the worst snowstorms in Oklahoma history dumped up to 3 feet of snow on northwest Oklahoma from February 20nd to February 22. By the time the snow ended on the 22nd, the city of Buffalo had 36 inches of snow on the ground, setting the state record for storm-total snowfall. Winds of 30 to 50 mph caused snowdrifts up to 20 feet high. Follett, Texas, picked up 26 inches while Amarillo recorded 14 inches. 1986 - A twelve siege of heavy rain and snow, which produced widespread flooding and mudslides across northern and central California, finally came to an end. The storm caused more than 400 million dollars property damage. Bucks Lake, located in the Sierra Nevada Range, received 49.6 inches of rain during the twelve day period. (Storm Data) 1987 - A storm moving northeastward out of the Gulf of Mexico began to spread heavy snow across the Middle Atlantic Coast Region. Thunderstorms in northern Florida produced wind gusts to 65 mph in Alachua County. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1988 - Dry weather prevailed across the nation, with windy conditions from the Central Rockies to northern New England. Winds gusted to 58 mph at Cleveland OH, and reached 63 mph at Erie PA. Winds in the Central Rockies gusted to 120 mph at Mines Peak CO and Rendezvous Peak WY. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1989 - Strong northwesterly winds ushering cold arctic air into the north central U.S. produced snow squalls in the Great Lakes Region, with heavy snow near Lake Michigan. Totals in northwest Indiana ranged up to 24 inches at Gary, and up to 16 inches buried northeastern Illinois. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1990 - Thunderstorms developing along and ahead of a cold front produced severe weather from southern Mississippi to North Carolina. One thunderstorm spawned a tornado just prior to dawn which touched down near Opp AL injuring ten persons and causing half a million dollars damage. Thunderstorm winds injured four persons south of Troy AL, and five people at Columbus GA. Thunderstorm winds gusted to 76 mph at Dothan AL. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) Lows:EWR: 8 (1963)NYC: 8 (1963)LGA: 9 (1963)JFK: 9 (1968) Interesting these were both cold and dry winters here..... -AO/+PNA pattern that Don mentioned was a suppressive pattern after mid February in both cases?? Also did the following storm produce snow here, Tony?? 1987 - A storm moving northeastward out of the Gulf of Mexico began to spread heavy snow across the Middle Atlantic Coast Region. Thunderstorms in northern Florida produced wind gusts to 65 mph in Alachua County. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 16 hours ago, SACRUS said: Cold period Cold period 2/17 NYC: 36 / 26 (-5) LGA: 38 / 27 (-4) EWR: 38 / 27 (-3) JFK: 39 / 29 (-1) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2/18 JFK: 32 / 22 (-8) EWR: 30 / 20 (-11) NYC: 27/19 (-13) LGA: 28 / 20 (-13) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2/19 EWR: 34 / 17 (-10) NYC: 30 / 17 (-13) LGA: 31 / 18 (-12) JFK: 36 / 20 (-6) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2/20 EWR: 31 / 19 (-11) NYC: 29 / 18 (-13) LGA: 30 / 19 (-12) JFK: 34 / 20 (-8) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2/21 EWR: 37 / 22 (-6) NYC: 36 / 22 (-8) LGA: 35 / 22 (-8) JFK: 40 / 24 (-4) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 1 hour ago, BxEngine said: Yeah wind kinda subsided for a few hours, at least up here. Finally the wind died down, it’s been one of the windiest winters in recent memory here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago Thru the 21st JFK: + 0.9 EWR: - 1.5 LGA: -2.8 NYC: -3.1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 4 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: Lows:EWR: 8 (1963)NYC: 8 (1963)LGA: 9 (1963)JFK: 9 (1968) Interesting these were both cold and dry winters here..... -AO/+PNA pattern that Don mentioned was a suppressive pattern after mid February in both cases?? Also did the following storm produce snow here, Tony?? 1987 - A storm moving northeastward out of the Gulf of Mexico began to spread heavy snow across the Middle Atlantic Coast Region. Thunderstorms in northern Florida produced wind gusts to 65 mph in Alachua County. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) Would eventually get grazed with 3 - 5 inches of snow in (1987) by the 23rd from that storm. Very active winter but suppressed tracks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eduggs Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 2 hours ago, LibertyBell said: This is part of my argument for why summer heat should be judged by number of 90 degree and higher highs and why winter cold should be judged by number of 32 degree and lower highs. How about we average every hour of the day instead of just the high and low? Then we would have a much better index of the temperatures on a particular day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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