psv88 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 The unique part of this winter was the lack of any sustained thaw. Very few days above 50 and I don’t believe any days above 50 with sunshine. Just a cold, dark winter with below average snowfall. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 5:38 PM, psv88 said: The unique part of this winter was the lack of any sustained thaw. Very few days above 50 and I don’t believe any days above 50 with sunshine. Just a cold, dark winter with below average snowfall. Expand And lots of windy useless/wasted cold days like today. And the several more to come this week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krs4Lfe Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 5:38 PM, psv88 said: The unique part of this winter was the lack of any sustained thaw. Very few days above 50 and I don’t believe any days above 50 with sunshine. Just a cold, dark winter with below average snowfall. Expand I hope March is similar. We get enough warmth April to September. I want cold, dark, windy winters 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 5:17 PM, lee59 said: Ya know this winter seems more wintry to me than some of the winters we had with far more snow, when the snow came mostly in one big storm. At least we have had 3 winter months this year with cold temperatures. Personally, although I am always ready to track a good snowstorm, spring temperatures are sounding real nice. Expand Against the last several winters this one definitely feels more wintery in terms of temperatures ,extended snowcover, and windchills. This is the most snowcover days we have seen for so little seasonal snowfall. December wasn’t really that cold since the small cold departure was only due to the much warmer 91-20 normals. January was a little below average but the winds made it feel more like -5°. This month so far is running a little warmer than average but the stronger winds are making it feel colder. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 6:29 PM, Krs4Lfe said: I hope March is similar. We get enough warmth April to September. I want cold, dark, windy winters Expand Sunset will be 7pm in 2 1/2 weeks so either way it won't be dark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 6:47 PM, Stormlover74 said: Sunset will be 7pm in 2 1/2 weeks so either way it won't be dark Expand On 2/17/2025 at 6:47 PM, Stormlover74 said: Sunset will be 7pm in 2 1/2 weeks so either way it won't be dark Expand Stanard time ends March 9th. I havent seen any additional movement on the two varying opinions/bills that are being talked for reamaining on Standard time or Daylight savings time and it would be hard pressed to have any approvals by the 9th. Leaving three options: 1. We change ahead and perhaps a bill is passed to stay on Standard time and clocks change in November and stay 2. A daylight savings time initiative is passed before November and we change clocks ahead in March and this is the last time, they stay there. 3. And the most likely no bills are passes through the house or senate and we remain on the 2 time (Standard Nov-Mar and Daylight savings Mar-Oct) policy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 6:55 PM, SACRUS said: Stanard time ends March 9th. I havent seen any additional movement on the two varying opinions/bills that are being talked for reamaining on Standard time or Daylight savings time and it would be hard pressed to have any approvals by the 9th. Leaving three options: 1. We change ahead and perhaps a bill is passed to stay on Standard time and clocks change in November and stay 2. A daylight savings time initiative is passed before November and we change clocks ahead in March and this is the last time, they stay there. 3. And the most likely no bills are passes through the house or senate and we remain on the 2 time (Standard Nov-Mar and Daylight savings Mar-Oct) policy. Expand Standard time would be unpopular due to earlier summer sunsets (7:30pm locally). DST would be unpopular due to late winter sunrises close to 9am in some places. So I agree with #3 or returning to #3 after 1 or 2 is tried for a year or two... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 5:38 PM, psv88 said: The unique part of this winter was the lack of any sustained thaw. Very few days above 50 and I don’t believe any days above 50 with sunshine. Just a cold, dark winter with below average snowfall. Expand I think our highest temps were between Christmas and New Years weren't they? Those severe thunderstorms with hail New Years Eve should have been taken as a sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 6:29 PM, Krs4Lfe said: I hope March is similar. We get enough warmth April to September. I want cold, dark, windy winters Expand No thank you, winter is too long as it is and you must be crazy, cold dark windy is absolutely useless, real humans need warm sunshine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 6:38 PM, bluewave said: Against the last several winters this one definitely feels more wintery in terms of temperatures ,extended snowcover, and windchills. This is the most snowcover days we have seen for so little seasonal snowfall. December wasn’t really that cold since the small cold departure was only due to the much warmer 91-20 normals. January was a little below average but the winds made it feel more like -5°. This month so far is running a little warmer than average but the stronger winds are making it feel colder. Expand I thought February was averaging around 32 degrees which is slightly below normal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 7:07 PM, Brian5671 said: Standard time would be unpopular due to earlier summer sunsets (7:30pm locally). DST would be unpopular due to late winter sunrises close to 9am in some places. So I agree with #3 or returning to #3 after 1 or 2 is tried for a year or two... Expand How about just put the clocks 30 minutes ahead and leave them there? Splitting the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 7:13 PM, LibertyBell said: I think our highest temps were between Christmas and New Years weren't they? Those severe thunderstorms with hail New Years Eve should have been taken as a sign. Expand NYC Warmest : Dec: 60 (12/11) Jan: 52 (1/29) Feb: 49 (2/3) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 7:17 PM, LibertyBell said: How about just put the clocks 30 minutes ahead and leave them there? Splitting the difference. Expand I've often said that's the best solution. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 7:16 PM, LibertyBell said: I thought February was averaging around 32 degrees which is slightly below normal Expand The first 16 days of the month have been +0.4°. EWR…+0.7 NYC….-0.7° LGA…..-0.4° JFK….+3.1° HPN….-0.5° BDR…..-0.4° ISP……+1.1° 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 5:18 PM, cardinalland said: 69-70 had 25.6" snow, 76-77 had 24.5" snow with 3 BN months. but that was barely below the mean of 25.7", as opposed to the 50% of mean we've gotten so far Expand look up 1962-63 and 1967-68 it was also a dry decade so we might be returning to drier years now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 5:24 PM, Northof78 said: Very interesting, thanks, yes only small shortfalls, and you had to go back 45 - 55 years to find 2 examples, shows you how rare this outcome is! Expand the 60s were drier and there were more years like that, we might be cycling back to drier weather Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 7:07 PM, Brian5671 said: Standard time would be unpopular due to earlier summer sunsets (7:30pm locally). DST would be unpopular due to late winter sunrises close to 9am in some places. So I agree with #3 or returning to #3 after 1 or 2 is tried for a year or two... Expand One wonky option would be if individual states decided which is the current law (AZ, HI, PR dont use Daylight savings time) Can you imagine scenario example - where PA blocks DST and NY stays all year on DST, and while NJ keeps the current two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 7:24 PM, SACRUS said: One wonky option would be if individual states decided which is the current law (AZ, HI, PR dont use Daylight savings time) Can you imagine scenario example - where PA blocks DST and NY stays all year on DST? Expand would be wonky for commuters...LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 5:05 PM, bluewave said: It just shows how sensitive our snowfall has become to benchmark snowstorms since the 1990s. So we’ll need to see a return of these during the rest of the decade in order to see the snowfall averages areawide go back to the 20-30” range. Something similar happened to State College when they lost the big Appalachian snowstorms over 20 years ago. Their snowfall hasn’t been the same without the major Central PA snowstorms storm tracks which were common up to the early 2000s. Expand JM complained about the lack of storms at Penn State when we were getting big storms over here. Haven't they gone back to higher snowfall again? Storms like February 2021 should have been great for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 7:24 PM, SACRUS said: One wonky option would be if individual states decided which is the current law (AZ, HI, PR dont use Daylight savings time) Can you imagine scenario example - where PA blocks DST and NY stays all year on DST? Expand I think 30 minutes ahead for everyone all year would be a good compromise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 7:21 PM, SACRUS said: NYC Warmest : Dec: 60 (12/11) Jan: 52 (1/29) Feb: 49 (2/3) Expand wow, we didn't reach 60 even once during actual winter when was the last time we had a February that never reached 50-- was it February 2015? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 7:23 PM, bluewave said: The first 16 days of the month have been +0.4°. EWR…+0.7 NYC….-0.7° LGA…..-0.4° JFK….+3.1° HPN….-0.5° BDR…..-0.4° ISP……+1.1° Expand it's strange to see JFK so much warmer than everyone else lol it certainly didn't feel warm at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 6:29 PM, Krs4Lfe said: I hope March is similar. We get enough warmth April to September. I want cold, dark, windy winters Expand Do you own a home heating oil company? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 7:29 PM, LibertyBell said: it's strange to see JFK so much warmer than everyone else lol it certainly didn't feel warm at all Expand JFK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 7:26 PM, LibertyBell said: JM complained about the lack of storms at Penn State when we were getting big storms over here. Haven't they gone back to higher snowfall again? Storms like February 2021 should have been great for them. Expand 10”+ daily snowfalls at State College have become few and far between after 03-04 with the storm track shift for that part of the country. Maximum 1-Day Total Snowfall for STATE COLLEGE, PAClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Period of record: 1893-01-01 to 2025-02-17 1 26.6 1994-03-03 2 25.0 1993-03-14 3 17.6 1964-01-13 4 17.5 1942-03-30 - 17.5 1902-03-05 5 17.3 1928-04-28 6 16.5 1961-02-04 7 16.2 1996-01-08 8 15.1 1995-11-15 - 15.1 1965-03-06 9 15.0 2020-12-17 - 15.0 1922-01-11 10 14.8 1928-03-18 11 14.5 1925-01-29 12 14.0 2003-02-17 - 14.0 1936-01-19 13 13.8 1968-11-13 14 13.5 2010-02-06 15 13.0 2002-01-07 - 13.0 1942-03-29 - 13.0 1914-01-04 - 13.0 1894-04-11 16 12.8 1967-03-07 17 12.6 1966-01-23 18 12.5 1992-12-11 - 12.5 1971-03-04 - 12.5 1932-03-28 - 12.5 1923-01-14 19 12.2 1942-03-03 20 11.8 1935-02-22 21 11.7 1940-02-14 22 11.5 2018-11-16 - 11.5 1947-02-21 - 11.5 1920-02-04 23 11.3 2004-02-04 24 11.0 1921-02-20 - 11.0 1915-01-12 25 10.8 1969-12-26 26 10.5 1998-02-24 - 10.5 1978-01-18 - 10.5 1914-02-14 - 10.5 1908-02-19 - 10.5 1908-02-01 - 10.5 1901-04-03 27 10.2 1970-03-13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 7:37 PM, bluewave said: 10”+ daily snowfalls at State College have become few and far between after 03-04 with the storm track shift for that part of the country. Maximum 1-Day Total Snowfall for STATE COLLEGE, PAClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Period of record: 1893-01-01 to 2025-02-17 1 26.6 1994-03-03 2 25.0 1993-03-14 3 17.6 1964-01-13 4 17.5 1942-03-30 - 17.5 1902-03-05 5 17.3 1928-04-28 6 16.5 1961-02-04 7 16.2 1996-01-08 8 15.1 1995-11-15 - 15.1 1965-03-06 9 15.0 2020-12-17 - 15.0 1922-01-11 10 14.8 1928-03-18 11 14.5 1925-01-29 12 14.0 2003-02-17 - 14.0 1936-01-19 13 13.8 1968-11-13 14 13.5 2010-02-06 15 13.0 2002-01-07 - 13.0 1942-03-29 - 13.0 1914-01-04 - 13.0 1894-04-11 16 12.8 1967-03-07 17 12.6 1966-01-23 18 12.5 1992-12-11 - 12.5 1971-03-04 - 12.5 1932-03-28 - 12.5 1923-01-14 19 12.2 1942-03-03 20 11.8 1935-02-22 21 11.7 1940-02-14 22 11.5 2018-11-16 - 11.5 1947-02-21 - 11.5 1920-02-04 23 11.3 2004-02-04 24 11.0 1921-02-20 - 11.0 1915-01-12 25 10.8 1969-12-26 26 10.5 1998-02-24 - 10.5 1978-01-18 - 10.5 1914-02-14 - 10.5 1908-02-19 - 10.5 1908-02-01 - 10.5 1901-04-03 27 10.2 1970-03-13 Expand Wild how great 1993 and 1994 were for them. I remember we also had quite a bit of snow in those two Marches. I noticed they did well in two of our HECS too, January 1996 and PD2. December 2020 was their last good storm (it was also good here.) I'm surprised they didn't do well in February 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 7:45 PM, LibertyBell said: Wild how great 1993 and 1994 were for them. I remember we also had quite a bit of snow in those two Marches Expand Yes we got crushed out there from that march 3rd storm which was initially supposed to be a major east coast storm but ended up a coastal hugger/inland runner. That track was very common in storms like December 92, March 93, March 94, November 95 etc. I think for nyc it was a few inches and then a flip to rain in March 94 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 7:49 PM, Stormlover74 said: Yes we got crushed out there from that march 3rd storm which was initially supposed to be a major east coast storm but ended up a coastal hugger/inland runner. That track was very common in storms like December 92, March 93, March 94, November 95 etc. I think for nyc it was a few inches and then a flip to rain in March 94 Expand Was that our biggest storm that March or did we have another one that was bigger? I know we had an all snow event around March 20 to end the winter (just like we had one at the start of winter around December 20)-- our only two all snow events in 1993-94 and both were around 4-5 inches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 7:52 PM, LibertyBell said: Was that our biggest storm that March or did we have another one that was bigger? I know we had an all snow event around March 20 to end the winter (just like we had one at the start of winter around December 20)-- our only two all snow events in 1993-94 and both were around 4-5 inches. Expand Yeah the 18th had an all snow event but was smaller than the early month snow to rain storm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinRP37 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/17/2025 at 2:15 PM, the_other_guy said: What are you talking about? Adirondacks having a spectacular season. Im at Belleayre every week with 100 percent terrain open the entire winter Been the best season in the NE in several years…todays ice and wind aside Expand Look at holidays. Christmas was a terrible week, MLK day was a terrible weekend, and this weekend is terrible. Hell Belleayre didn’t even open today along with many other mountains. Sure it has been great midweek and I’m lucky enough to have gotten out there midweek but let’s face it these mountains make their money during the three weekend I just mentioned and all have been terrible. Hence the C/C- . And no the Adirondacks haven’t had an amazing season as a whole. February has been great but Gore and Whiteface were struggling with only snowmaking trails until February. Northern Vermont though has been amazing like Jay Peak. A C is considered an average winter, no grade inflation here. Sure it is better than last winter (F) and the winter before (D). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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