GaWx Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Update: Surprisingly, I measured way up at ~1.3” of melted liquid equivalent! Whereas I measured 2.9” of sleet and snow and many in the city were similar, the KSAV official “snowfall” is only 1.1”! That looks too low. For one thing, their sleet changed to snow much earlier than mine did. Don even posted about them changing to snow. Also, it turns out that the melted liquid equivalent for the wintry precip came in significantly higher than earlier expected: ~1.33” per a CHS WSO met. It’s an ASOS and it had earlier reported only 0.71” per the hourlies. And they had only minimal ZR. That leaves sleet and snow. How can 1.33” of wintry precip liquid equivalent with little ZR produce only 1.1” of snowfall? I asked a KCHS WSO met. and he admitted the 1.1” looked highly suspect as being too low. He said it is an ASOS run by the FAA, which NWS has no control over. This is highly disappointing and cheapens the value of “official” records. How can that be the case with our current technology? Any thoughts? By the way, that same ASOS froze up in the 1/2018 storm and caused it to severely underreport liquid equivalent at only 0.23”. I measured 0.75! There was nothing they could do to correct it. @donsutherland1 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsaur Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 6 hours ago, GaWx said: When I learned about the difficulty in dealing with dry ice, I decided that wasn’t worthwhile. Also, no semi-reliable recent model had anything close to danger level of ZR for outages here. If they did, I would have gone with plan A of buying bags of ice. But I still charged up the 2 power packs just in case because why not since I had them. I have 30 days to return them. What are you referring to about pattern wanting to bomb us with ZR? It looked like goofy was showing zr in the long range. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsaur Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 35 minutes ago, GaWx said: Update: Surprisingly, I measured way up at ~1.3” of melted liquid equivalent! Whereas I measured 2.9” of sleet and snow and many in the city were similar, the KSAV official “snowfall” is only 1.1”! That looks too low. For one thing, their sleet changed to snow much earlier than mine did. Don even posted about them changing to snow. Also, it turns out that the melted liquid equivalent for the wintry precip came in significantly higher than earlier expected: ~1.33” per a CHS WSO met. It’s an ASOS and it had earlier reported only 0.71” per the hourlies. And they had only minimal ZR. That leaves sleet and snow. How can 1.33” of wintry precip liquid equivalent produce only 1.1” of snowfall? I asked a KCHS WSO met. and he admitted the 1.1” looked highly suspect as being too low. He said it is an ASOS run by the FAA, which NWS has no control over. This is highly disappointing and cheapens the value of “official” records. How can that be the case with our current technology? Any thoughts? By the way, that same ASOS froze up in the 1/2018 storm and caused it to severely underreport liquid equivalent at only 0.23”. I measured 0.75! There was nothing they could do to correct it. @donsutherland1 Same reason the airport rarely represents what the rest of us experience. I'd much rather see a variety of reports from around the area, but that's not practical, I guess. I get a much better idea of a system via obs on weather boards. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsaur Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Hey, El K. Hope you got more than I did! Seems like Perry was in the good band. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Boone Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, GaWx said: Update: Surprisingly, I measured way up at ~1.3” of melted liquid equivalent! Whereas I measured 2.9” of sleet and snow and many in the city were similar, the KSAV official “snowfall” is only 1.1”! That looks too low. For one thing, their sleet changed to snow much earlier than mine did. Don even posted about them changing to snow. Also, it turns out that the melted liquid equivalent for the wintry precip came in significantly higher than earlier expected: ~1.33” per a CHS WSO met. It’s an ASOS and it had earlier reported only 0.71” per the hourlies. And they had only minimal ZR. That leaves sleet and snow. How can 1.33” of wintry precip liquid equivalent produce only 1.1” of snowfall? I asked a KCHS WSO met. and he admitted the 1.1” looked highly suspect as being too low. He said it is an ASOS run by the FAA, which NWS has no control over. This is highly disappointing and cheapens the value of “official” records. How can that be the case with our current technology? Any thoughts? By the way, that same ASOS froze up in the 1/2018 storm and caused it to severely underreport liquid equivalent at only 0.23”. I measured 0.75! There was nothing they could do to correct it. @donsutherland1 Larry, there's alot of bad Data that is being used unfortunately. I spoke with the Chief Met at KMRX a few years back regarding the Issues. He said the FAA does govern the Official Airport Station's used by the NWS and that their Quality Criteria is not par with the NWS Standard Guidelines. Ie., they allow 4 degrees either side of actual for the Temperature Calibration. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Kabong Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 13 hours ago, dsaur said: Hey, El K. Hope you got more than I did! Seems like Perry was in the good band. Tony, thanks. We got into some moderate bands toward the end, but the heaviest stuff stayed south of us. The overall average for our area was around 4 to 5 inches but Cordele ended up getting between 8 and 9 inches! No complaints here! Biggest storm since I moved here 27 years ago, but far from the totals they got down this way in 1973. I’m sure hoping that you and the moles get your sleet storm soon! Sounds like Larry stole it from you! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsaur Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 3 hours ago, El Kabong said: Tony, thanks. We got into some moderate bands toward the end, but the heaviest stuff stayed south of us. The overall average for our area was around 4 to 5 inches but Cordele ended up getting between 8 and 9 inches! No complaints here! Biggest storm since I moved here 27 years ago, but far from the totals they got down this way in 1973. I’m sure hoping that you and the moles get your sleet storm soon! Sounds like Larry stole it from you! Well, he deserved sleet rather than zr, so I was glad to help, lol. Seems we are usually too far south, or too far north. One of these days though we'll be just right...and not for zr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 4 hours ago, El Kabong said: Tony, thanks. We got into some moderate bands toward the end, but the heaviest stuff stayed south of us. The overall average for our area was around 4 to 5 inches but Cordele ended up getting between 8 and 9 inches! No complaints here! Biggest storm since I moved here 27 years ago, but far from the totals they got down this way in 1973. I’m sure hoping that you and the moles get your sleet storm soon! Sounds like Larry stole it from you! 1 hour ago, dsaur said: Well, he deserved sleet rather than zr, so I was glad to help, lol. Seems we are usually too far south, or too far north. One of these days though we'll be just right...and not for zr. Appreciate that Tony kept most of the ZR away! I don’t sled in it, but I love taking sleet walks. I’m a take a walk kind of guy in general and this makes the walks extra special. Today is (mainly) sleet walk #2 in still 3” of it in shady areas. I’m renaming it a Tony walk in his honor. Yesterday was a neighborhood walk, but today it was safe to drive to the park. When I walk I seek out shady spots off the side of the path where the 3” is still largely intact. I love the pleasantly crunchy feeling when walking in it. TBH, it feels like I’m walking in wet snow. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtg947h Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Still plenty of white stuff on the ground here, especially in shades and lightly trafficked areas. Neighborhood roads seem mostly clear and we're going to venture out in the old car today. All the neighborhood kids have been outside all day long and coming in exhausted every evening. I shoveled snow for the first time in my life. Unfortunately I think the capacitor in our heat pump went out Wednesday night (of course, during the coldest nights of the year, just like when the AC died in the middle of summer years ago). We'll see if the local appliance part place has one today... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 15 hours ago, gtg947h said: Still plenty of white stuff on the ground here, especially in shades and lightly trafficked areas. Neighborhood roads seem mostly clear and we're going to venture out in the old car today. All the neighborhood kids have been outside all day long and coming in exhausted every evening. I shoveled snow for the first time in my life. Unfortunately I think the capacitor in our heat pump went out Wednesday night (of course, during the coldest nights of the year, just like when the AC died in the middle of summer years ago). We'll see if the local appliance part place has one today... Ouch! I saw some shady grassy locations late this afternoon with still nearly 3” on ground! That’s the staying power of sleet combined with the light ZR that fell early and provided solid icy base and helped by high of only a little warmer 46 today (42 yesterday). We fell back to 32 surprisingly at ~8PM, only an hour later than last night. So, tough driving conditions will be developing soon in many areas as there were still a lot of wet roads in shady areas and even still snowcover remnants. Where roads were cleared there’s a lot of ice on edges, which was melting and keeping roads wet. I had @dsaurTony walk #3 late this afternoon. Maybe 4th one tomorrow! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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